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Free Weed – A ‘Joint’ Venture?

Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by vorrange, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. vorrange

    vorrange Vapor.wise

    "I have a special category for the use of Cannabis either for recreational use or medicinal use against several ailments. The reason is that it is a miraculous plant and it should be free to use without fearing the punishment of the Matrix.
    But, and there’s always a but, since the coin also regarding cannabis has two sides to it.

    It should never have been forbidden and the sordid background of why it was forbidden is very much tied into the great depression of the 1930′s and Mafia booze money during the prohibition of alcohol.

    The but is: Why Now?

    In my optics it is not that ‘the pressure’ from the people has become unbearable to the powers that be, which could somewhere maybe, push the political system to alter its perspective.

    I doubt that the bureaucrat politicians suddenly have seen the light in allowing people the weapon of choice. In these times: They just don’t do that because it would mean there’s a crack in the wall that surrounds whichever mountain they rule their mortals from.

    Why the sudden flow of nectar down Mount Olympus?

    Its a guaranteed mechanic that once the US opens up, which I don’t mind, it will go around the world in 80 days. So EU next, which I also don’t mind. So yes, 2014 will be the year of free weed on a global scale.

    I have a hunch: It’s the fascist state now behind an interesting smokescreen.

    ‘Let them, I’m digging Pink Floyd on a mellow high and I’m too buzzy to answer the knock on the door – groovy, very groovy’.


    There are many ways for the good use of cannabis. Either for the side effects of chemotherapy and such or to get a very chill out ‘vacation’ from the cold of the Matrix.

    I very much support that, 100 percent.

    The key to good use is to know how to administer it.

    I would define as: Know why you are using it.

    If you don’t know why you are using it, maybe contemplate that question and set your limits according to your use of it and that’s really what I think they are promoting: The misuse of it.

    Everything seems to have a catch.

    Hollywood has been promoting it heavily, by the power of suggestion, and when Hollywood promotes a drug or a new war it’s usually due to an agreement between the bureaucratic system and them. Hollywood promotes the ‘Stoner’ and not the ‘User’. It’s the opposite when they promote Alcohol, interesting: They don’t promote the Alcoholic – they promote the drinker.

    The trick is not that hard to see through: There’s a joy to a glass of wine or two a day. There’s disaster in a bottle or two a day.

    If you get up in the morning and crave alcohol, I don’t think you’re in a good place with yourself.

    If you get up in the morning and crave the joint, I think you need to consider your craving unless you have a physical condition.

    The last thing is this world I would advocate is puritanism so don’t get me wrong.

    But I think the design is pretty much that the system knows that there will be conscious and Self aware users who can administer the recreational benefits of free weed and they sure know that the vast majority can’t.

    Why do they go up against the powerful alcohol lobby?

    Why do they go up against the pharmaceutical industry?

    There’s a design in that:

    Follow the money, the cultivation, production, distribution, sales and taxes and we could have the heavily taxed fascist government stoner high.

    Right now it is small ventures – give it a year or two and it is big regulated industry and don’t you dare grow your own – the penalty for that will be out of proportion.

    Tricky stuff. Puff puff……"

    Thoughts? :)

    Taken from here:
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  2. Gunky

    Gunky Well-Known Member

    Northern California
    In the CA dispensary market, they are now paying about $2000 for a pound. Couple years ago it was $4000. I have tried growing under lights and it is actually pretty damned hard to make money like that selling for 2 grand a pound. Intentionally or no, by constantly pruning away all the bigger ( >99 plants) operations, the federal government is protecting a few large, illegal, cartel type grows in places where the authorities are well paid to look the other way. Small growers have been priced out of the market.
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  3. vorrange

    vorrange Vapor.wise

    @Gunky , perhaps that is EXACTLY what they want? :)

    It is obvious to me that allowing small personal grows for adults would go a long way reducing drug traffic.

    Craking down dispensaries does not solve the issue of false medical users and doctors profiting from authorizing fake medicinal users.

    It seems the government is more interested in helping the black market than actualy solving the problems that need solving.
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  4. Gunky

    Gunky Well-Known Member

    Northern California
    I can't quite figure out if the government is actually intentionally shielding and abetting illegal drug cartels or not. In either case, everything they are doing has the effect of helping the bad guys, in my view.

    I hope the CO model succeeds and replaces all this other crap. There is room for everybody, big producers, small, boutique, fancy growers, back yard grow, etc. Prohibition doesn't stop anything, just relegates production to criminal, unregulated and untaxed sources.
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  5. Snake Plissken

    Snake Plissken Transcendentalist

    I don't doubt government collusion w/ criminals to further their own ends - everything from iran contra to destabilizing governments while backing rebels, but have a different take on why pot became illegal. Much more evil than turning a blind eye to bootleggers (which is more tied in to h ford and not wanting alcohol fueled cars, the beginning of the gas wars) - it has more to do w/ household names like DuPont and hearst. Dupont had a contract w/ the navy for supplying rope and there was no way he wanted to compete w/ hemp.

    More here:

    They are both connected in that both probs arose from rich men wanting to dominate the oil market.

    There is obviously a different take in other parts of the country/world, but I'm not impressed w/ $2k lbs. I can get them for close to that, and I am not buying anywhere near as much as a dispensary. Any grower who thinks they are good enough to supply a dispensary should be pulling at least 4 oz's a plant indoors. In Oregon you cannot be compensated for time, just the cost of the grow - which is typically $50-$100 a plant. W/ a bigger operation, it should become way cheaper. Outdoors is figured in pounds.

    I'm not sure how all of a sudden, taxes=good? W/ how many years the gov has demonized mj, they can f off if they want to profit on my meds now.
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  6. mestizo

    mestizo Well-Known Member

    Government authorities and drug cartels need each other to survive. Make drugs legal and both of them will lose big revenue.

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