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Discussion in 'The Vapor Lounge' started by OldNewbie, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    To make people aware of how they are being manipulated by the media.
     
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  2. howie105

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    ...Thats an opinion stated as fact.
     
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    What's the equivalent on the left though? (Serious question)
     
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  5. howie105

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    Hey RB. I just see spin as spin regardless of political positions in this case. The discussion of policy itself is another discussion entirely, for me.
     
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    You honestly believe HuffPo is equivalent to Breitbart? I'd be happy to post headlines from both and you can decide if they are equivalent. And of course this is my opinion, but it's backed up by objective facts.

    And that's your problem. Not all spin is created equally. Some is completely untethered from reality.


    That graph shows Breitbart as much farther to the Right than HuffPo is to the Left. But I don't care about their biases. I do care about how "liberal" they are with the facts. And Breitbart objectively has HuffPo beat there.

    Now there is a Left Wing Equivalent to Breitbart, namely "OccupyDemocrats". The difference is... virtually no one reads it or takes it seriously, while Breitbart is extremely popular. And its Editor was given a high ranking Admin position.
     
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  7. OldNewbie

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    And, who shall decide what is a fact? As @howie105 pointed out, your claim over the factual nature of certain publications is just an opinion.

    Look to the allside site's headlines on subjects to see how the same facts can be changed by the language used to describe things. Are any of the headlines false?

    https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news
     
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  8. howie105

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    Once again you have stated your opinion as a fact. Beyond that, I am not going to get into equivocating the spin of one side versus the spin of the other side, there are too many bad examples on both sides on too many issues to excuse either.
     
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    None of those entries discuss Breitbart. Maybe AllSides is too embarrassed to include a site that runs headlines like:
    'The solution to online 'harassment' is simple: Women should log off'

    'Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy'

    And it's not like only "leftists" believe Brietbart is beyond the pale. From "The American Conservative":

    Editor Admits Breitbart Publishes Fake News

    "Do you understand this? Even if they believe that you were sexually assaulted at 14 by an older man, they will continue to destroy your reputation as a way of protecting that older man, because their real mission is to protect Donald Trump — and extremism in the defense of Trump is no vice.

    Truth, fairness, and ordinary human decency don’t matter. Only winning.

    It is useful to know that you can’t believe a thing Breitbart says, because it’s willing to publish fake news that serves its perceived interests. I mean, you knew this anyway, but now you’ve had it confirmed by the editor-in-chief."

    So yeah. In MY OPINION Brietbart is too far gone to be considered "news". But it's a widely held opinion across the political spectrum.


    Once again, no I am not. It's obviously my opinion. I simply said it's an opinion informed by objective facts. You are free to disagree.
     
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    There is a difference between stating something as a fact and stating it as an opinion and its not established via revisionism in my opinion.
     
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    You're right Howie. I should follow every sentence with "in my opinion" from now on. Ridiculous.
     
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  12. OldNewbie

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    At least you might understand what it is you're stating.
     
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  13. florduh

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    No. It just makes communication unnecessarily cumbersome. I'm on a message board. Basically everything I type is my opinion. You're being obtuse, in my opinion.
     
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  14. howie105

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    Justification and revisionism are primary examples of spin, I thank you and I am out.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Before this is inevitably closed:

    No amount of spin, fake news, propaganda, or "both sides" arguments will ever convince me that any opinions which also consistently go along with and support racism, sexism, and bigotry should ever be considered equally with opinions that support the well being and prosperity of all people.


    The United States of America was founded on the idea that any government serving this country which becomes destructive to the unalienable rights of any of it's citizens, that government should be altered or abolished and re-created with a foundation based upon the equality, life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of all of it's citizens.


    That's a fact, not an opinion, and definitely not fake news; regardless of what the most fervent purveyors of fake news would like to brainwash people into believing.



    A little late, but happy Memorial Day to everyone :)

     
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    Completely circular. Is it "fake" if it's on purpose?

    https://babylonbee.com/news/press-t...ip-unsure-why-some-people-call-them-fake-news

    U.S.—News outlets that incited an outraged internet mob against a group of Catholic school students based on a 10-second video clip, with no apparent attempt to fact-check or verify the information whatsoever, reported Monday that they are confused as to how some people could possibly consider them "fake news."

    "I just don't get it," one CNN reporter said. "We worked really hard to fact-check the video a few days later and everything." He pointed out that without the media, no one would be around to misinform the public on important events, allowing people to quickly draw conclusions before all the facts are in. "What are people going to do---form their own conclusions after reviewing all the facts themselves? That'll never work."

    A Washington Post journalist pointed to the news organization's slogan on the wall, "Democracy Dies in Darkness." "Our democracy would die without our hard work slanting the news to a particular worldview without bothering to check if our facts are accurate. It says so right there on the wall."

    At publishing time, one reporter had proclaimed that while the story concerning Covington Catholic and the Native American protester was factually inaccurate, it was "morally right."​
     
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  20. RUDE BOY

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    CNN is on nearly 24 hours where I am and they never actually covered that story without showing what happened before the "10 second clip" the story and website you posted a link to is the very definition of fake news.

    Alt right loony tune websites like that are the bastion of fake news, i mean really now "Trump threatens to cancel Pelosi's Netflix subscription" is real news? or "Giuliani opens new law firm that guarantees to get you convicted in 30 days or less"

    No. . . no it isn't news it's Pure satire and bullshit.
     
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  21. OldNewbie

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    They don't claim ANY newsiness at all. On their home page, "The Babylon Bee is Your Trusted Source For Christian News Satire."

    It's The Onion from a different perspective.

    That you thought it an "Alt right loony tune website" just shows how far the news media have fallen.

    (As to the multiple CNN stories that you feel very fair because they showed more than the 10 sec clip, WHY were they on the news at all? It is a newsworthy event to have a teen smile at a guy banging a drum? Only if you get to the narrative they wanted to tell do you find anything newsworthy about the focus of the coverage.)
     
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  22. RUDE BOY

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    Everything about it still screams "alt right Loony tune" to me.

    You posted a story from this website which was attacking a real news story in the Fake News Thread . . . I guess I read your heading of "completely circular: is it fake if it's on purpose?" as applying to the story the linked article is about and attacking and not the linked article itself. . .

    i see what you were getting at but when you venture out and read comments on websites like AOL or Huffpost the trump loving lemmings posting there seem to actually believe all the stories in these type of websites. You see where they quote crap like this or judicial watch and info-wars as gospel.
     
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    Judicial Watch is a serious place that posts facts they find out through Freedom of Information act demands and litigation. (Along with state open-government laws.) There is no comparison to Infowars. Sometimes spokesholes from JW go on TV "news" and opine on matters and that expression of feelings is more entertainment than news. However, that does not place the organization in the category of fake news and Infowars.

    Edit, from the Bee:

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    WASHINGTON, D.C.—After briefly stumbling over a step located in the West Wing of the White House, President Donald Trump took to Twitter Thursday and unleashed a long-winded rant against the installation in the government office.

    The rant encompassed several dozen tweets composed over a period of about an hour.

    “Stupid Step was not where it should have been. ‘Jumped’ out and tripped me badly when I was looking other way. Not good!” Trump tweeted to kick off his tweetstorm of angry words against the mahogany stair step.

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    “I’m told Obama had this step installed. Sick guy!” and “Real nasty little step – not a nice step at all! SAD!” he added later, before threatening to “remove” the step if he tripped on it again.

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    Trump went on to insult the contractor who installed the step, the tree whose wood the step was made out of, and several of the witnesses standing nearby who nervously laughed at the mishap.
     
  24. RUDE BOY

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    JW is a pure alt right BS site that constantly misleads people into believing little things like that there are actual investigations going on into things and people they see as enemies of the rights agenda like the Clinton foundation or into wrong doing /collusion with the DNC and FBI . . . it's nothing but fake news, They lie just like info-wars and are nothing but a conspiracy theorists wet dream.

    All these fringe and niche news outlets just work to sway people with propaganda and lies.
     
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  25. OldNewbie

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    "Fake News" does not depend on if one agrees with the conclusion, but on how the conclusion is drawn. Other than a link to a spokeshole on a show, are there any stories on the current site you find fake?
     
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