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Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by VANVAS, Sep 16, 2016.

  1. The Beagle

    The Beagle Butanist Bubblemaker

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    I think that the problem is more related to the catholic heritage in our society: it's ok to do "bad" stuff as long as you keep that private. Legalizing weed ould mean stating in the most official way that is ok using some drug and the think about the children crowd could never be ok with that.
    Also fuck Giovanardi, I'm convinced that things cannot change if in 2017 an elected member of parliament is allowed to go in tv and talk about how weed is a gateway drug for heroin.

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  2. Pustupillo

    Pustupillo 100% CombustionFree

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    Che faccia da schiaffi. Sembra che si sta sciogliendo.
    Un'altra bella teoria del signore qui sopra e di Gasparri è che la cannabis non fa guadagnare i trafficanti paragonata alla coca, visto che la coca costa 80-100€ al grammo mentre la cannabis arriva al massimo a 10-15€, e quindi non è un vero problema :bang: Questa è pura ignoranza, non sanno di cosa parlano cazzo, perchè difficilmente uno si prende un grammo alla volta di cannabis, cè un sacco di gente che minimo si prende 25g alla volta, mentre con la coca funziona al contrario..

    Qui ci sono solo 2 spiegazioni:
    1 sono collusi con le persone che la vendono in quantità e ricevono compensi per tenere questa linea proibizionista (cosa che nn mi sorprenderebbe piu di tanto)
    2 sono semplicemente stupidi, ignoranti, mettetela come volete...

    E questo in italia nn succede solo con la cannabis, guardate gli omosessuali o l'eutanasia. Io sono davvero disgustato mi dispiace, ho perso ogni speranza, l'uomo è il cancro nel suo stesso corpo.


    Sorry for the italian post, use google translate if you wanna
     
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  3. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    you said it man! people in America are all ok with cannabis when our doctors prescribe "cannabis formulas " at masive cost... that makes it ok then ans insurance even gets its cut...
     
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  4. Frostflower

    Frostflower Member

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    I suppose I could post a new thread for this, but the subject of this thread is close enough I think.

    As some of you may know, many EU countries are in the process of revising their tobacco legislation to better match the current situation with electronic cigarettes. I believe there are some EU wide directives behind this movement. This is also the case in Finland. I'll use this as an example, since it's the only country of which I have first hand knowledge.

    The current law states that distant sales of electronic tobacco products, including e-liquids with or without nicotine, as well as e-cig devices and parts thereof is prohibited. In practice this means that accepting a package containing the aforementioned articles through the mail is not allowed, and such a shipment would be seized by the customs. There is an interesting detail in the Finnish wording of the law, as it specifically only prohibits accepting such shipments from professional vendors, and thus allows trade between private individuals.

    Now, how is this related to cannabis? The Finnish customs have taken on the stance that all dry herb vaporizers are considered as electronic cigarettes. Currently all mail orders of vaporizers are essentially illegal. The wording on the tobacco legislature is vague around the definition of an electronic cigarette, and so the customs can hold this stance until it is challenged through the court or some other bureaucratic means.

    Already several vaporizer shipments are being held. I have heard of one case where a complaint was filed, stating that the device has nothing to do with e-cigarettes, and cannot be used for vaporizing e-liquids, but the customs seized the package anyway. They have also declined to return the item to the seller.

    This is another shining example of how in the name of public health, decisions are made that have negative consequences regarding public health.
     
  5. The Beagle

    The Beagle Butanist Bubblemaker

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    That's interesting, Italian law about tobacco products is very similar (no distant sales, only permitted for "collectionism reasons" between private individuals) but AFAIK it's not applied to ecigs products.
     
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  6. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Greece just launched medical program and moved MJ from schedule I to schedule II ... This is big news,i am very exited and really considering moving there if things go legal..,even though i have few medical routes i can take on. It is just 200 km away from my hometown :))... Congrats to the greek people ! :))
    Now my country has 3 neighbors with medical programs Macedonia,Greece,Romania... Sadly things only get worse here,cause our country is ruled by the Mafia... who has zero interest in going legal.., they issued mandatory saliva followed by mandatory piss tests for drivers and the law says, that if you have been driving after having used MJ you get 1 to 3 years and 5000 euro penalty (10 times the middle salary ) . Those tests show positive even after 2-3 weeks of usage cause MJ stays very long in the system ,and law was changed from "being under the influence of " to "After usage "... which means that it doesnt matter if you are under the influence or not... how hideous is this.., you can get 1 to 3 years for puffing some medicine 3 weeks ago...,and what about the people who treat treat their cancer with oral intake... not being able to use a car is equal to paralysis to many of them.. There is an anti-mj group here called Mothers against dope.. and they do massive stone age propaganda with "medical proofs" of how MJ can get you schizo and Alzheimer... ,and their chiefs own some narc communes and they have very large interest of having people being categorized as drug addicts.. Ugly,ugly shite...
    I should share another story that throws a very good light of what kind of brainiacs are ruling here.. There was a horrible story on the news about 15 yo mentally challenged boy inviting 13 yo girl over facebook to smoke hookah,which ended with the girl found dead from throat cut in a elevator which was situated in hood easily compared to Bronx with its crime levels.... ... and the reaction to that case was putting up to vote on a strict regulation of all devices for Tobacco use.... so i guess buying/importing parafernalia will get hard..
     
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  7. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Greece are having their first official Canna Expo 2018 at 12 January at Taek Won Do stadium in Athens.. :)) I hope i have the chance to visit! Anyone from FC planning on going there ,lol ? :D
     
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  8. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    "Details on how the drug will be cultivated and distributed are yet to be clarified by Mr Tsipras' left-wing party."

    "It is yet to be seen whether Greece will go further to allow full-scale cannabis legislation, for recreational use as well as medical, joining Portugal, the only other European country to do so."

    (REALLY??? I hope it's not just a wild guess by the paper as it seems to me.)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...edical-cannabis-weed-law-passes-a7821771.html
     
  9. stardustsailor

    stardustsailor Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Two expos ,actually ...
    :brow:

    http://www.balkannabisexpo.com/

    http://www.athenscannabisexpo.com/

    Most probably I will be there.
    Afterall ,my occupation is " LED grow light designer " .
    Actually I work for a well-known grow-seed-head shop in Greece.
     
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  10. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Great to hear ! Woah.. that is such a cool job,i wish i could get involved in something like that too one day.. :)) I will check up with the Balkan expo too,i like the name .. :D
    Btw just saw you are from Aeolis,Thassos.I know that island ,it is an awesome place to visit ,you are lucky man living there :))
     
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  11. stardustsailor

    stardustsailor Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    No Aeolis in Thassos is a ...Hotel,not a place .

    But also,it's the ancient name of a part of Thessaly Plain ( largest cities : Larissa,Volos,Trikala,Karditsa) ,where I live.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolians
     
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  12. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Congrats to the Swiss people. From today possession is decriminalized... Cheers !
    People can hold up to 10 grams and get a 100 CHF penalty .. :cheers:
     
  13. Used2use

    Used2use Sometimes to stupid to become a fool

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    i read somewhere greece was the worlds largest hash producer 100 years ago, so i'm wondering how much knowledge and old storys about that is left ? pls tell some storys :D the myth is that after the prohibition the screening technique and some genetics went overseas to libanon and from there to morocco....
     
  14. stardustsailor

    stardustsailor Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Lot's of stories,lot's of myths and lot's of urban legends for the cannbis cultivation ,here.

    I can tell you one thing though :
    Kalamatan Red Bud .

    A local -and very-very-very rare to find on the "market" -sativa landrace with blood-red pistils .
    Probably that strain alone was the reason for the prohibition of cannabis here in Greece.

    Check what this (not a greek ) guy wrote on a forum about it :

    "Kalamata is located in central/southern greece and its worldwide known for the production of the finest olives an olive oil , soil and climate allow for perfect maturation . Cannabis from that area is considered to be of the finest and selected local stuff is also exported , some even make it to Holland but its sold under diff names most of the time as all export and any drug trade/offense is highly illegal etc in greece and laws are harsh etc so everyone stays low ..
    Thats why not many people dont really know these great genetics , all locals do though even if they do not smoke.I remember Breeder Steve was interested in moving his breeding facilities down there for the excellent weather and sunshine but due to harsh laws he said he finally chose swiss at the time.
    Anyway the kalamata strain is grown for the amazing trippy up high it has , its some of the most intense rushy psychedelic highs though the high is not the most long lasting , usually lasts like 1.5-2.5 hrs, feels longer though , time perception is distorted along with sound and vision.Its a real mood changin herb and always gives those uncontrollable laughing attacks ( which I have to say is something I find to bit true with the nevs girl I have atm). Personally I find that these plants hold the fine qualities of the best landrace sativas and they are acclimatized for hundrends of years and finish quite fast.

    I was always interested to try to find what the origins of these landrace sativas are , so I had posted a thread over ic (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=60136) asking for people to help identify the origins , by sharing their input and comments regarding the characteristics and the similarities they see with other strains like Thais etc.Most greek strains have a pine/lemon but and other aromas in the mix , can be meaty and there are also some roasted coffee bean smell undertones as well. But its overall pine-cone and fruity-citrus like.Flowers are long but compact, like with some african sativa strains , and the flowering times and structure also resembles some of these fast sativas . Me and others can also detect mainly Thai and maybe SAmericans , like Brazilians or Colombians. A grower over ic said judging from the looks , he believes these are Thai genetics that where acclimatized in the area of Ethiopia , many speculations and there can be multiple truths as the Kalamata has been in an area that has been an active exchange trading center/port for thousands of years and its only natural that many different genetics have made it there.
    By the description I had given Shanti about the plants , seeds (big , light , no stripes/spots whatsoever) , flowers and smoke & effect description he mentioned that its a Thai I m describing but not all.These plants finish Sept/Oct at 37o and they are grown in dry , very hot areas that during July can have temps that go even up to 40-45c during July/August.There are both plants that give green (light lime green) flowers and there are some that give flowers with a deep red hue when the flowers are done.Similar high , greens are bit more up in the high usually tho the reds can be more strong and long lasting .funnily there was a report over CW about Kalamata . dont have the post but goes like this ,..so there was this guy from Oz who used to buy lots of imported sativas during 70s and 80s and he used to go to an open market to buy where always tons of fresh stuff arrived . He said there was some of the finest cannabis sold there , from S Americans, Africans to Nepalese temple balls and Thai sticks of the highest quality , etc .. etc..
    So he sees a bag labeled Kalamata Red and he went to ask the guy as it was priced twice as the rest , and he was told to try some and see for himself .. Long story short he reported it to be some of the best smokes , up to par with the finest cannabis of the time and to be honest I was surprised to read such a report as I didn't really believed these genetics were sold abroad back then and would have made it so far , as the production is bit limited from what I know . I didn't know that they were world famous back then and I sure didn't expect to read about Kalamata on a forum , as literally there no serious info on greek strains online and most greeks that post online grow only hybrids.. And those(old/aged farmers) that cultivate the landraces don't usually have internet at home lol Anyway one thing is certain there are definitely some hidden gems to be found so I am on a long Quest
    "

    http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/5-strain-base/1392-kalamata.html


    That is a well guarded landstrain here in Greece.
    I know a case that they shot dead somebody who tried to smuggle four ( 4 ! ) seeds of that strain
    out of the territory that is cultivated for at least 200 years .
    I was lucky couple of times and actually tried that herb .
    The myth is real ,yeap!
    Took about one week afterwards, for my dog to stop talking back to me ...

    Cheers.
     
  15. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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  16. Andreaerdna

    Andreaerdna If God is the answer, then the question is wrong

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    France is so late to the party that today kanavape owners, first french cbd ecig, have been condamned because of this to 14/16monts of prison ( they clamed some medical properties of cbd, this being their unforgivable “fellony” / as cbd is legal here too)

    Guess who was part of accusation and got some money from them (not much at all but still too much)? Fucking french pharmacy order
     
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  17. stardustsailor

    stardustsailor Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Athens Cannabis Expo 2018 .

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    You could find even cannabis pizza ,cannabis cheese ,cannabis bricks (!) and many
    other cannabis related stuff .

    Vibes are good.
    Some even say that recreational use of cannabis will soon be totally legal .
    Well if that's so ,it's about time that you visited Greece !
     
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  18. The Beagle

    The Beagle Butanist Bubblemaker

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    Hey my hometown is twinned with a tiny Greek island, I guess I couldn't refuse a visit if this comes true!

    BTW I'm happy to see more EU countries moving towards legalization, maybe in twenty years it will be our turn too...
     
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  19. blackstone

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