Eterra

http://www.lightwell.net/

http://www.lightwell.net/moxie/ <----- theres the portable PD(WITH a boatload of differences mind you!)

that battery pack is MASSIVE

Is that a joke? It's freaking HUGE.

i could see where this would have its benifits over the pd, but then again those could also be looked as drawbacks. it says it only takes 80 seconds to heat up, and gets hotter then needed so you can burn plant material. you control the temp by adjusting how long the tubes are left in the heater while drawing through it then pull it out and keep drawing for a few more seconds. for smoking tob i think this would be fine, but for the magical herb i think this could have problems with getting the correct temp without burning. im sure with practice it would come.

the tubes are also glass with a black plastic end on them. i wonder if they would work with a pd? and all they mention for what its made out of is a ceramic like material. so who knows what kind of workmanship is inside the unit.

Can you honestly say you can see yourself or anyone using this thing 'portably'? Sure, portable doesn't mean it has to look good, be light, or stealthy amongst other people, but come on. That thing is way over the top in means of size. I mean, I can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather dish out the $120 extra for an i-inhale, or take the easy route and buy a VG.

Just my .

Yea, those "portable" vapes that have a huge battery are really only a sub category of portable that has a place for people who need portability but are in a position or place where stealth is a non issue perhaps such as in camping or short trips. I also probably would personally select another vape for this purpose in the portability class but I haven't really looked at this vape in detail enough to make an informed opinion.

More information needed on this vape but thus far I am not impressed but if had some real reviews on it that would something. Specifically on how well it operates compared to similar models. Right now about if not all "battery" portable vaporizers have large batteries but in times these will diminish in size, we just are not at that technology yet for vaporizers.

I really dislike the caption "The Moxie? is for advanced users because of it's unique personality. We suggest you get the Moxie? for $150 and if you like it next order the battery pack."

Some basic info:
Introducing a tiny new
Vaporizer
The Eterra Moxie?...

Eterra Moxie?
portable - weighs about 2 ounces.
Available with or without a battery pack.
80 second pre-heat up time ceramic heater
optional 12v NIMH rechargeable battery pack (about 10 ounces) or any 12v source.
Heater $150/ battery pack and charger, $70.00 (see below for sales tax)
PLEASE ADD $5 FOR SHIPPING

The Moxie? is for advanced users because of it's unique personality. We suggest you get the Moxie? for $150 and if you like it next order the battery pack.

The Moxie? is returnable for a refund (less $5)
but the battery pack is not returnable (but is guaranteed to work)

We recommend you carefully read the operating instructions below be sure you have a clear understanding before ordering.

It seems to be the size of an average shocker like a tazer or the like.

As a portable, those big battery packs are not option for myself but for those who's situation fits with it its use makes it is a good portable choice. For those with stealth in mind is certainly is not and I think if stealth is in mind than this vaporizer is not for you. That would be one very large pocket and/or a bulging one.

But if stealth is not an issue than its all good. Only thing I would be concerned about is how well it operates and how long the charge holds.

i talked with the creator...want i should show y'all?........ok

<---"Moxie Ultralite (UL) " ?????????

Honestly I read excuses and disgruntle feelings by what he wrote. Nothing stated would interest me in the vaporizer.

In fact I might add it may be a better concept to look into if the PD would work well with this power pack. They come off as sort of absurd by essentially saying its not user friendly. When user friendly products on the market this seems like more of a wanting it to work well than actually pulling it off.

Still I reserve my opinion until I see concrete user reviews and the like but I am wholly not impressed at this point.

exactly what I thought^^^

I just ask to Micheal from lightwell if the material they use to make there vaps were clean to vap with and if it was possible to get some unit to test and review , this is what he answer me :

i would like to respond to this by stating... (and i hope you post this) we use bio-friendly all inorganic ceramics and clearly state it at our site. additionally we carefully avoid or well isolate any parts that are not strictly inorganic.




someone from the forum sent me this earlier :


that was the vape at the bottom of the page?


dosent look like any of your stuff is ROH compliant...tom, who made the purple days vape, said its important if shit is ROH compliant

My response

quality standards are very important in this industry. we have tested and somewhat documented product safety standards. the standards of safe electronics and of inorganic bio-friendly ceramics and no VOS form the foundation of the Eterra concept. Our technology is translatable to medical standards with minimal modifications. its of course expensive to assert IEEE and RoHS Compliance Assurance...



got to work today on a new batch. will have the wood moxies and UL plus a few tulips ready soon.


we have plenty of business from our word of mouth network... we are on the chill here, if we decide to bump it up. will consider an eval-unit. Thanks for your interest



Sincerely, Michael





Moxie Ultralite (UL)

I figure the other member was Hennessy

I dont event see any reason to buy it over a PD and pd seem already awesome lol soo :/

hey hennes I dont see your picture

yo C_D..i woudl want it so i could simulate the PD..anywhere i go that dosent have a plug..or a cars cig lighter

I wonder of the Deluxe Glass Stems would work on the PD.... I have no interest in the vaporizer itself really...

http://www.lightwell.net/tulip/order.html

wheres tom..i bet he knos for sure

As a PD owner, I was a bit concerned to read this:

...which led me to a quick search where I found this pdf. From the conclusions of the report:

Didn't want to get into this thread, but the PD keeps being mentioned...

Hazy, certain woods are not very well adapted to making a vape of this type. The Eterra man is right, A-zap copied some of the Eterra's earlier mistakes, and even went downhill by a good bit, IMO, using Douglas Fir (and other soft woods) to make the bodies of the A-Zap.

While I agree that 250C (480F, paper burns at 454F) would be a hazard, our units (PD) run about 190C (380F). The stability of Cherry (and a few other hard woods) is one key to longer life of a PD. Another is the lower expansion characteristics of Stainless Steel vs Brass.

Eterra said,"its of course expensive to assert IEEE and RoHS Compliance Assurance..." Well the parts are more expensive... And we have no 'Official' certification, but anyone who cares to stop by and look at our books and order history (and parts bins) can clearly see the parts are all RoHS compliant and we will never compromise that with cheap substitutes.

Got a reply....

The glass stems in question...



Twice the loading capacity it seems. I may just order one to see what it looks like, and possibly pass it on to Clear Dome to see if he can replicate them....

Thats an interesting article you mentioned. Essentially the author is stating that wood can spontaneously combust after a period of months to years when exposed to temperatures at or above 77C. The only problem with the article is that the author didn't do any of his own experimental testing. He just examined current data collected by others and applied his own deductions. It does look like there are fires possibly started from hot water pipes passing through wood beams without a knowable external combustion source but there may be other effects at play.

From what I've read there really isn't enough experimental data to say whether or not the PD could be susceptible to the effects (self-heating, runaway temperature, exothermic reactions) described in that article. Additionally it doesn't look like there is a consensus on if those effects alone can be accountable for spontaneous combustion.

I haven't been able to find any data yet on how different types of wood are affected by temperature and if certain species are invulnerable to charring at low temps or if they are just more resistant.

thanks yall for all of your very informative posts..... a big leaf for all of you

hey spiral...if that stem works out lemnie kno....i gots to try me a glass stem