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Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by JCat, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    I thought we could use a thread specific to this. I was asked by @virtualpurple about the Omron E5CC (High 5 LCD #1/2) as the pictures are no longer working in the SV3 mod thread, so thought I'd repost them here with working pics and make a spot for other instructions as well.


    Instructions for Omron E5CC (ie. High5 LCD #1 and others)

    Autotune:

    1. Press [​IMG] button to enter adjustment level menu
    2. Use the [​IMG] [​IMG] buttons to select "AT 2" setting. That will initialize the auto tune after a couple seconds. (to cancel, go back to "AT OFF")
    3. The "tune" signal will illuminate for the duration of the tuning.
    4. (You can press [​IMG] button to go back to the main screen while it is tuning. When tuning is complete the "tune" signal will go off.)

    Manually Enter PID Settings (Mine are P=8.9, I= 60, D=10)

    1. Press [​IMG] button to enter adjustment level menu
    2. Press the [​IMG] button to cycle through the menus until you get to the "P" (proportional gain) setting.
    3. Use the [​IMG] [​IMG] buttons to select the "P" value, and you can use the [​IMG] button to control which digit is selected (to speed up entering the value)
    4. When you change the value, it will flash, when you stop changing the value for a few seconds, it exits the selection mode and the value is set.
    5. Once the P value is set, use the [​IMG] button to select the next menu setting, which is the "I" setting (integral). Set the value in the same way as above.
    6. Once the I value is set, use the [​IMG] button to select the next menu setting, which is the "D" setting (derivative). Set the value in the same way as above.
    7. That's it. Press [​IMG] button to exit the menu.

    Change from F to C
    1. Press and hold the [​IMG] button for at least 3 seconds to enter the initial settings menu
    2. Press the [​IMG] button several times to cycle through the menus until you get to "d-U" (temperature unit) setting
    3. Use the [​IMG] [​IMG] buttons to select C or F.
     
  2. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Instructions for configuring the High5 LED #1 and many other cheaper PID controllers (you can find a PDF instruction manual online if you search for XMT7100 PID controller):

    [​IMG]

    Auto-tune:
    1. Press and hold the ">" button until the "OUT (AT)" light starts flashing
    2. When auto-tuning is complete the light turns off
    3. To cancel auto-tuning, press and hold the ">" button until the "OUT (AT)" light stops flashing
    Manually Enter PID Settings
    1. Press and hold the "SET" (or circle) key until "0000" appears on the display.
    2. Use the arrow keys to change to "0036" and press the "SET" key again
    3. Press the "SET" button to begin adjusting the "P" value, and use the arrow keys to navigate and set the value
    4. Use the "SET" button to end adjusting the value
    5. Use the arrow keys to then select the I and D settings respectively and adjust their values in the same fashion
    6. When complete, use the arrow keys to navigate to the "End" setting, and use the "SET" button to select it and exit
    Change From Fahrenheit to Celsius and Vice-Versa
    1. Press and hold the "SET" key until "0000" appears on the display.
    2. Use the arrow keys to change to "0089" and press the "SET" key again
    3. Use the arrow keys to navigate to the "CorF" setting
    4. Use the "SET" button to begin adjusting it, and the arrow keys to select "C" or "F"
    5. Press the "SET" button again to end adjusting it
    6. Navigate to the "End" setting using the arrow keys, and select it with the SET key to exit
     
  3. Toadknic

    Toadknic Member

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    Please help and I'll pay (by e-transfer), I'm a handicapped pensioner and got 1 toke out of my e-nail
    before I tried to change temp. I pressed the wrong button and 0000 came up which I managed to
    change to 0800 (Thinking I changed to 800 F) I then pressed Set and now the e-Nail won't go past 85 F
    The e-nail was preprogrammed to 710 F what are the P I D.

    I looked at the PDF and can't make heads or tails out of it but can follow along on the phone if I could
    call you.

    I really need help as I think the head shop that sold me this isn't even going to try and help
     
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  4. Toadknic

    Toadknic Member

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    If someone made a Youtube video on changing PID settings for model JCat has pictured above
    the High5 LED #1. I'm sure they would have lots of views as I'm not an overly inept kind of guy
    and if I can make this simple mistake I'm sure many others have as well.

    Why they put those buttons where they did and to not have some kind of warning. i'm Pissed
     
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  5. virtualpurple

    virtualpurple Well-Known Member

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    Hey @Toadknic, I think that @JCat is a busy man, I also have the hi 5 LCD and I will certainly try and help you (on the house), I don’t have access to my controller at the moment but I can try and fiddle with the device to see if I can make the adjustments as well myself and if so I will try and post the step by step for you.
     
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  6. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Hey @Toadnic ,

    Google XMT7100 . You should find PDF/instructions for that PID (this is a very common PID in many devices)

    Thanks @virtualpurple ... you are correct ... especially this time of year ... working 16 hour days at my primary job!

    Here's instructions: http://www.berriman.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/xmt7100.pdf


    Double check you have the right thermocouple set (Type K). Maybe post your PID settings too if you can't get it working ... maybe you set them way off by accident which could cause very strange settings. Once you get them in the ballpark, you should be able to run auto-tune to get them set better.
     
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  7. Toadknic

    Toadknic Member

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    Please I've been at this for 7 hours now and I'm not a guy who watches Jerry Springer, however I'm not a math or tech guy and have looked at this same info for many hours.

    Also this info you gave shows how to get to the PID settings but not how to change and save them.

    In my 7 plus hours of reading I saw something about having to enter "End" after "Set" but can't find
    my way back to the info.

    I can hardly walk and have no one to help can't, somone talk me through this

    And I have also Googled XM7100 and found the PDF but can't figure it at all
     
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  8. Toadknic

    Toadknic Member

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    Thanks I just noticed that you had made an offer to help. I've been asking the eBay seller for help or even
    info on their 1 year in house warranty but all I get is silence.

    I read the manual front to back and all they had to do was say "Don't touch" the "Set" button and if you do and see 0000 simply power off.

    I'm going to have to quit smoking shatter for a month and switch to Synthetic THC or Cesamet (a.k.a. Nabilone) as it's paid for by my health plan. The problem is that it isn't nowhere as effective
     
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  9. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Hey man ... we’re trying to help :)

    Just a very busy time at work for me (16 hour days) and we don’t know what your actual problem is ...

    Tough to provide help without more info :( I also don’t have one of these units anymore to play with to try to replicate your problem.

    When you turn it on does the temperature rise at all? And stop at 80? Or is that where it starts?

    What’s it set to?

    I think if you just press the up/down buttons that controls the set temp so you should be able to determine what it’s set to.

    Apart from that ... is the coil on? There’s a toggle switch on the back for the coil ...

    If none of this helps maybe send a short video or pictures of what it does when you turn it on?

    We all want to help man :)
     
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  10. Toadknic

    Toadknic Member

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    I Thank-you guys I really do and I hope it comes across, I'm older and don't really know how to
    communicate.

    The temp starts around 116 and drops to 85

    It is set to 743 F after trying to Auto Recalibrate at 400 F (the Out (AT) Flashed for 45mins and
    Temp stayed at 85 before I quit). I followed the standard Recalibration formula that I found in 3
    different places, it was easy to follow but still didn't work.


    When you say toggle switch do you mean the Power I/O (it's on and lit). The Enail worked great
    for 1 toke until I tried to change temp and pressed something to make flashing 0000 appear which
    I then changed to 743 and pressed set. That's when it quit working.

    It is said to be a non returnable eBay product but has a 1 year warranty, now the company is completely
    ignoring me. What they don't know is that is they continue to ignore my simple request for warranty info
    that they lose there case to me for 48hrs non contact.
     
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  11. Toadknic

    Toadknic Member

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    And please I do know remember what it's like to work a 16 hr day. I don't want anyone to stress
    over this especially after working all day.
     
  12. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    @Toadknic ... is there a 2nd toggle switch at the back?
     
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  13. Toadknic

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    Good News for some reason my Paypal says the Enail was paid for but the money has come back to my
    bank account. It looks like I now have a bunch of extra parts as I still have the unit and haven't heard from the seller.

    I think all enails with the PID Controller should come with a warning I.E. "Unless you are an expert with PID Menus, Do Not Press the "> or Set" buttons. If in the event you Press theses buttons or see a screen with Flashing 0000's, simply power off the unit and turn it back on.

    Two sentences in bright red on a card

    I'm still open to help but I think it would be best to have someone to talk to live as each message takes me
    a long time and I've literally spent over 9 hours searching Google, Reddit and Youtube Videos.

    No wonder they have a disclaimer in their warranty about not accepting Enails that have been thrown

    The seller is "The 420 Stop" Smoke Shop on eBay out of Edmonton Canada

    I don't think I got the money back as a refund but rather an error and think the seller still got paid.
    All I know for sure is that they were great to deal with and very friendly and then completely ignored
    me for the last 48hrs when I asked for help. Help so that I wouldn't have to return the product.

    So if they suddenly claim that Paypal didn't pay I will ignore them as they have ignored me.

    I am still willing to pay if someone can walk me through this on the phone, but it would have to wait
    until February as I am broke.

    Thanks All
     
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  14. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Are you in Canada? I'll PM you ... perhaps I can help you get it working. (I don't want your money ... whatever I do is for free ... just want to help out if I can.)
     
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  15. Toadknic

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    Sorry no there isn't and I just tried to add a pic and I can't get it to work. It asks for a URL and I don't understand
     
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  16. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Ok. Got it about the toggle switch. What about a fuse? Is there a fuse on the back of the unit? Is the fuse blown or is it ok? (most units have 2 switches ... 1 for the power and 1 for the coil)
     
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  17. Toadknic

    Toadknic Member

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    It is said to come with 2 fuses but I really don't think it's a fuse as it worked perfect for 1 Toke until I pressed either the Set or the > Button. I then saw 0000's Flashing and used the > button and ^ button
    to change the numbers to 0743 and then pressed Set button.

    That's when everything quit working and it would start up at 216 F and drop to 85 F.

    I got back into 0000 menu and changed it to 0036 and pressed Set which took me to the PID
    menu as from what I've read I screwed up the PID.

    But I've read of so many different PID settings and some with decimals (were do you put a decimal on a 0000 screen). The most common PID setting I found was 20 35 4, I changed each respectivly and the changes took by scrolling to End and pressing Set after changing each number.

    But it just made so it started at 116 f instead of 216 f and still dropped to 85 f

    If the fuse was blown would the screen still light?
     
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  18. Toadknic

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    Thanks for your help, I'm new to this and missed your reply. I do think I may have someone to help me
    and we are going to Skype tonight.

    If I find a solution I will post it for all

    Have a Good-Day
     
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  19. virtualpurple

    virtualpurple Well-Known Member

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    I hope you guys are able to get it dialed in! I had to alter my plans and leave home earlier than I planned, but I think it will be getting shipped to me before long and if you guys haven’t got it squared away I’ll try and start diving in!

    I’ve read your comments up above and want to make sure to let you know that you definitely are not alone with your frustration! I really struggled getting mine properly dialed in initially but when I start to mess with it again I think it does kinda clear the mud for me a little.
     
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  20. Toadknic

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    You are aware that the Control Box comes preprogrammed to reach 710 F. You shouldn't have to make any changes and my changes were made by mistake. There are also simple videos and instructions on how to Recalibrate, and this is only done when the temp starts to vary above or below your set temp by 20 f.

    To change the temp you simply use the "^" or "v" to scroll to your desired temp. If you have just scrolled up from say 710 f to 800 f the screen will flash 800 or 0800 ten times. The temp is then set. Again if the temp that reads is off from what you set by more than 20 f you could recalibrate.

    So you should have no worries, I'd read the manual front to back (it's tiny)
     
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  21. Toadknic

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    I do have someone who is going to try and help me fix this via Skype sometime today.

    I will do my best to provide a solution but I'm also driving myself nuts and will give up in a few days.

    I can't handle hours and hours of reading and not understanding

    Have a Better Day...eh
     
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  22. Toadknic

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    I was offered help and each time I made contact I was asked if we could do this the next day.
    This happened 3 days in a row with each day ending with "Sorry took longer than expected, how about tomorrow. Just give me a text tomorrow and we'll set up a time."

    My last effort to contact didn't even get a response
     
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  23. Sick Vape

    Sick Vape Solar Dabs

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    just push SET and go to the settings you changed and change them back, et voila. :sarcasm:

    Sorry, bad joke, I wish I could help. Can't you have someone over with a similar setup and carefully compare all settings.
    As there are four digits there could be quite some entry points to settings like 0089 or 0036. And you know how many settings there are in 0036.
    And you could have changed any of them unintentionally. It's a difficult task.

    Another good tip would be, buy a new one, as you got it for free? :sarcast:
     
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  24. Toadknic

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    It turns out I didn't get it for free but was overdrawn by $37 which stopped my bank from paying Paypal.
    Paypal then paid for my item but took 3 business days to inform me that I now have a -$132.30 balance.

    The whole sale is being disputed by Paypal as the seller won't answer even a simple request for Warranty Info
    But in the meantime I may have to wait weeks to get this settled.

    So I can't even order a replacement unless I pay what I owe to Paypal and then if they decide to only honor a warranty I am then stuck with 2 Enails.


    Somebody could make a business out of this repair as literally 99% of Enails use the XMT7100
    controller and they are all easily broken.

    Cannabis is Legal in Canada but Headshops still treat the customer as if they are criminals who have no
    one to complain to.

    And no I don't have anyone to help as years ago my friends moved onto Crack and have lost all their
    teeth. I'm handicapped and housebound.
     
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  25. Toadknic

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    We just need a Video that we can follow and pause, I think it would easily get thousands of views.
     
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