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Dynavap VapCap

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by Fenton Mewley, Jul 21, 2015.

  1. beyond6strings

    beyond6strings Just another traveller in the Dynaverse

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    @Winegums I get it. Hate to keep bringing it back to guitar analogies, but it's the world I know. This is the purpose of the 'vintage' aftermarket. Martin guitars offers lots of new 'vintage' instruments. Using the same specs from designs from '29 and such, and I've heard that some are really wonderful. But they don't sound like a '29 Martin. If you really want a '29 Martin you need to buy one made in 1929.

    I bet we could find you an 'original' 7 fin somewhere on this forum; because you make a valid point; I just don't think it's reasonable to expect a craft manufacturer to 'back up' so to speak.
     
  2. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    Can you describe for us exactly how the Gen4 (7fin) and Gen5 (5fin) perform differently for you? I would love to quantify that in some way, but my own experience doesn't allow me to do that.
    It will be interesting for me to see how much if any difference there is in the performance of the 2 7fin tips. If that pic is it than it will certainly LOOK different.
     
  3. Kurtdigglur

    Kurtdigglur Long draws

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    Temperatures guide. Correct me if I'm wrong please. Only temps I could find and they seemed about right to me. I'd imagine the temps vary by user.

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  4. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    Just to be clear, are these the black Viton ones? George has used at least 3 different HT Orings of different material (black, orange and grey) and they may resist ISO differently...

    All the backups that I currently have (and have not yet needed) are the black ones.
     
  5. stark1

    stark1 Keep on smilin

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  6. Winegums

    Winegums I make things from wood Accessory Maker

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    The analogy breaks down when it comes to materials. The wood in a 1929 Martin guitar has changed over time and through the vibrations of playing. The wood used in a reproduction isn't even the same structurally since it isn't as old, nor did it grow in the same conditions. The glues used are different formulas and the old craftsmen that made the guitars are likely all dead.

    GR2 Titanium has not changed since it was set as a manufacturing standard and manufacture of metal parts removes a lot of the natural and human touches that make something unique. A lot of the machining designs made in 1929 could be reproduced to specification today and they would perform identical to the old ones.
    While I can't describe how a Gen 5 and Gen 4 compare, (since I don't own a Gen 5) I do have a Gen 3. It mainly has to do with the rate the tip cools down between heat cycles. I'm tuned to the Gen 4 tips such that If I use my older Gen 3 I get results that are very inconsistent and unexpected. Things like under heating and over heating happen more often. I have a strong sense of timing that I use to judge the temperature of the tip, which gets thrown off when the mass changes.
     
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  7. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    Just as a data point, I also have a gen 3 tip, and I find much more difference between that and a 4 or 5 than between 4 and 5. In my own head I attribute that to the channel design. Other than overall mass (which translates for me to heat/cool time in this case) I see the biggest (most noticeable) difference in the channel design.

    And the biggest difference by far is between Ti and SS.
     
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  8. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    Maybe you can educate me?

    I have a "M" VAPCAP and it is the best design and cost in use device that is like the BIG MAC was to McDonald's the "M" is da holy grail 4 VAPCAP.

    I smoked joint's, however the "M" taste better?

    From a functional standpoint is TI2 so much better than SS?

    4 da application?
     
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  9. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    I don't think we have determined that anything is better, as some folks prefer one to the other and they aren't necessarily the same. I mean some like one and some like the other.

    All we have really established is that they are different.
     
  10. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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  11. Smokey McVape

    Smokey McVape Peace. Love. Unity. Dynavap.

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    Vintage guitars is slightly different to a product being made up to a year ago. I thought that Dynavap would still have the gen 4 design and tools in house and that it would be easy to remake them to that spec in the same way.
     
  12. Winegums

    Winegums I make things from wood Accessory Maker

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    The Ti tips cool down much faster than the SS tip on the M. Ti also performs better on the first heat cycle versus SS as it takes less of the energy to heat. Thus more of that thermal energy can be conducted into the herb during the heating phase.

    Because there’s significantly less mass in the Ti tip it cools back down to room temperature much faster. This acts as a temperature reset for the tip which lets you start at the nearly same point everytime. With the SS tip I usually end up with the temperature of the tip getting hotter and hotter between cycles. Rising temperature is kept to a minimum with the Ti.

    Think of the two materials as having a different thermal “response time”. The SS is sluggish and heavy, where the Ti is responsive and light.
     
  13. armani

    armani Well-Known Member

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    I have yet to risk making room for it in the dynastash in case i destroy it, but count me in for one when it comes (hopefully not long)

    :bowdown:George
     
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  14. NicholasPetris

    NicholasPetris Well-Known Member

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    To add to what Winegums said about the faster heating and cooling of the (Gen 4-5) Ti vs SS which can allow for functionally faster extraction, I, as any sometimes clumsy person could, seriously appreciate that the Gen 4-5 tips, when below the clicking temperature, are rarely hot enough to cause any burn injuries; one can generally remove a cap right after the cooldown click bare-handed on the Ti (no magnet necessary). The SS (and Gen 2 or so Ti) tip requires significantly more caution.
     
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  15. Squiby

    Squiby Well-Known Member

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    @Stevenski You have, beyond compare, the most beautiful log, bodies and stems.

     
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  16. alex91

    alex91 Well-Known Member

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    What tip and body is that?
     
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  17. stark1

    stark1 Keep on smilin

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  18. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    Maybe I stupid and lame?
    Why does the "M" FUNCTION so well?
    PluZZLING?
     
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  19. mccringleberry

    mccringleberry Well-Known Member

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    Why do ALL Vapcaps function so well? Lol
     
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  20. stark1

    stark1 Keep on smilin

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    Dunno.:shrug: Not everyone has the latest, nor the greatest. I struggle with my S&M SS tip, and as
    -pire.

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    My church. My Alter. -- Haha, altar. Happy Ash Wednesday.
     
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  21. mrb

    mrb Accessory Maker

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    The Condenser x-rings are totally fine after my months of iso soaking/cleaning. I have removed them from time to time.

    The o-rings on the tip. . while i haven't closely closely examined them or tried to remove them (why would I at this point in my particular routine)... there is certainly no obvious visual damage, or any degradation of fit.

    I'm also quite surprised how these silicone rings have lasted, given the general chat here on the topic.
    But my experience is true to what i posted, I've not worried about ISO soaking the rings and they all work fine still.

    They are all the black rings that were shipping with the products direct from DV last April ish . . .

    I'll try and remove one of the rings from the Tip at some point and report back.:tup:
     
  22. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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    I just got extra parts when I got my original VapCaps. Due to laziness my planned cleaning method involved heating with a Bigshot torch until everything burned off.

    I'v done this twice to my Onmi and once to my M with no ill effect. :nod:
     
  23. Dynavaper

    Dynavaper Karma Farmer

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  24. Ricardo

    Ricardo Well-Known Member

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  25. ArthurJ

    ArthurJ Well-Known Member

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    Hey @Ricardo, that was me, a backdrop.
    I've only just started it.
     
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