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Dutch Government to Ban Tourists From Cannabis Shops

Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by 420Tom, May 27, 2011.

  1. VaporEyeSore

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    Thanks, I am not planning on making a trip, I went back in 2002, 2003, and 2009. However, was just wondering what the status was :-)
     
  3. OhTheAgony

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    Superrrr multi-quote!!!!!!!!

    lol

    In all honesty I didn't know most of that myself up until a few years ago when I was verbally attacked by an American who accused me of being an arrogant prick for saying I was from The Netherlands, instead of using the more down to earth name Holland instead. That kinda got me thinking about where our country's name came from but before that incident I hadn't really gave it much thought myself.

    And yes, they go a little overboard in that vid. I think I stopped watching it myself after 2 minutes so I wouldn't drown in all the information I wasn't interested in :lol:

    I think the orange comes from this guy: Willempie

    His last name is dutch for 'orange'.
     
  4. djonkoman

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    I can't even see how that could be seen as arrogant...
    I've also mentioned this name-thing somewhere in a post in the past, my main reason for it is that I'm frisian, and I feel more frisian as dutch. and holland is the dominating province, and in the past there have been wars between the frisians and the people from holland. (there is a long period of history where friesland already officially belonged to holland, and was on maps that way, but in reality the military power of holland was far too weak to keep control over tghe frisians, so essentially we were free, and without taxes. that period is known as the 'frisian freedom', and apparently we didn't use the feodal system like all countries around us.)
    so for me to say I live in holland would feel similar to saying you live in england if you live in the US or ireland, or saying that you live in germany if you live in the netherlands/belgium/poland etc.

    ofcourse times have changed and friesland is now just a part of the netherlands, with only some small cultural differences, and plenty of inhabitants who don't even speak frisian(mostly in the bigger towns)
    but the frisian identity is still alive, one of the things defining it is a love/desire for freedom and (personal) independance. called stubborness by the rest of the netherlands.
    (but at the same time it's also a rural/city rivalry, friesland is mostly rural, while both hollands are very urbanised)

    there is still a ceremony in remembberance of a famous victory of the frisians over an army from holland btw, I don't know of it's held every year or every few years, but it is on the date of that battle. the proudness of this victory is especially because the frisians didn't have a real army, more something like a band of farmers with pitchforks, and they defeated a conventional army with horseriders.
    and our national hero is someone who started fighting bandits, but eventually became a pirate targeting ships from holland, and I think he also layed siege to a city in holland.
    so there is still a form of underlying anti-holland sentiment

    I also read smewhere that the name of friesland/the frisians is one of the(if not the) longest surviving in the area, the romans already described a tribe called the frisii, although there seems to be not much knowledge from that era and they likely where ethnically/linguistically/culturally very different, since there is a period of a few hundred years when most of friesland became too wet/swampy to live, so it's unsure how alike the frisians from before that and after that were.
     
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  5. tepictoton

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    hehe on another note, anybody in Amsterdam Saturday? I think I'll be hanging out in the Grey Area, Voyagers and or green place with my FC bubbler and some of my concentrates...So if anybody feels like a little 'FC-concentrating circle':D

    And to add a little to the thread at hand, till the 1st of january I would go to Nijmegen on a regular basis, but am no longer welcome there anymore...I am from Belgium myself.

    ps am looking for a lawyer who is willing to go to some shops in Maastricht, film what happens if I try to get in (i.e. they will refuse me entrance on the base of my nationality) and go and make an official complaint of it...
     
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  6. VaporEyeSore

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    Seeing as you mentioned concentrates I found them being sold in the Bushdocter. Not cheap but absolutely mind blowing. I always thought that concentrates were not allowed but they definitely have them as I have seen and tried them. If you have your own you probably will not need to buy, but in case you do here are the links to the menu. They have 2 types of wax now as well, tasty and mindfuck :) and will sell whatever fraction of a gram you can afford. I bought 20euros of Chem dawg and went to another planet.

    http://www.coffeeshopmenus.org/Bushdoctor/Menus/BushdoctorIce11082012TheHashCompany.jpg

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. SD_haze

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    I blame Jerry Seinfeld for this misconception!

     
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  8. Gunky

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    Even though where I live stuff is just as available and good as Amsterdam I still want to go back there and spend some summer days strolling around the canals, drinking that refreshing white beer and other beers at open-air shops, eating Indonesian food and getting down with cannabis!
     
  9. adamster

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    There's nothing quite like Amsterdam, I was just there 2-3 weeks ago. I did not see any butter although i have seen some very expensive hashes. I was tempted to take one for portability. I did manage to get some back, it's quite potent, a hash from 'Resin' coffeeshop. they call Sahara fudge, its the softest i hav ever seen. But I would love to go to a local dispensary but we cant do that in New Jersey. there's only 1 and i dont have a card anyway, and you cant medicate there. So I exepect to visit Denver or Seattle once they are fully legal for anyone. There is something about sitting with other stoners in a legal setting. In Amsterdam I often am just sitting drinking tea there. But the airfares have almost double what it would cost to go out west. so I expect there will be lots of tourists, in fact, i would reccomend many people do that. Let the media report on the high number increases of tourism to Denver and Seattle. this is one of the ways we can influence policy without having to do very\ much other than have a great time;
     
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  10. OhTheAgony

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    Just a general FYI, but hash oil/BHO/whatever you call it is illegal in NL.

    It's on list one just as heroin (ao) over here, so don't be surprised if you can't find it. I would even go so far as saying, go do that somewhere else & stick to one of our other fine concentrates or weeds when visiting this country.

    Pressed hashes and bubble hash is legal and you can usually find a large variety of those in any coffeeshop, for instance.

    Enjoy :cheers:
     
  11. tepictoton

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    I did :D

    and in a way i get what you are saying, yet in another...:shrug:

    And they def sell it in coffeeshops. I don't see the problem, I make what i make with love and care.

    Please focus, euh concentrate...my :2c:

    You are not going to disappoint me and tell me you are one of these people that believe that 'stronger weed'needs to be banned are ya?

    I guess you can see where this is going, not flaming or anything, just saying we might have different opinions on this, or maybe not.

    The legal loophol the shops use, by the way, is the fact that it is 'imported'hash, wich ends al furter questions into who or what...I am from Belgium, so I import my own stuff...again do not see the problem...

    And don't even get me started with the 'my country' thing...Nationalism does nothing but teach you how to hate people you have never even met before...

    Hehe, but again, I get what you are saying, just find it a bit strange this reaction...
     
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  12. VaporEyeSore

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    Then how do you think the wax and the butter were made on the list above?
    I looked at and my friend tried the wax which I would say is a vacuum purge BHO full melt earwax whatever you want to call it not that I am an expert my any means and the butter that i tried i was told was a whipped BHO.
    I think they have used a loophole and are pretending its Isolator/bubble or super melt isolator as a way to get around another very grey area as to what is a concentrate.
    I have read the same on the forums here that concentrates are illegal but they definately have them at Bushdocter this is why I was so surprised to find these that I had to try them and also wanted to share the information.
     
  13. Havelock Vetenari

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    Shops could be closed for selling this,i think that's what OTA's point was and it was only meant to be helpfull,so why the negativity towards him?:huh:
    There will always be ways to get what you want,but you could definitely also get in trouble for asking about these things in the wrong way/place...:nope:
    Blame our fine leaders,hardly surprisingly our politicians can be a 'bit' illogical,but i'm pretty sure it not just ours though.:p
     
  14. tepictoton

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    hihi didn't mean any pun towards OTA;)

    I know to be carefull in these matters, just is a pain when something one has had alot of work on is dismissed...

    so to make sure, if I was blaiming anything than it was the laws...:peace:
     
  15. OhTheAgony

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    I would love to be able to use or even buy BHO here legally, that wasn't my point at all.

    I just wanted to inform our guests that they are involved in illegal activities when buying, making, or using such concentrates in the Netherlands so they'd at least can make the choice for themselves if they feel it is worth the risk or not.

    Those shops didn't find a loophole btw, they've just gotten away with it so far but they are taking a huge risk in doing so. But I'm sure they are aware of that so it must be worth it to them.

    :peace:


    ps: thanks for sticking up for me HV :tup:
     
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  16. tepictoton

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    good, so next time I'm at the Dam come meet up, I am more then happy to share my extracts with fellow enthousiasts:nod: And I am always welcome to take up a spot at the cannabis college where I can do my dab, share it with others, and maybe in the passing time learn something new again:)

    I know that what you are saying is correct, technically it is illegal. But technically, one can only smoke in the shops, you are not allowed to transport it, and so on and so on...

    I really do not think priority number one, or even 134 if you ask me, of the Amsterdam police is going after people with users quantities of extracts...:2c:

    But again, I do apoligize for the tone I set before, which might have been a bit of. Mostly in reaction to that go do that somewhere else remark... I really dislike nationalism, like most isms....:p
     
  17. Havelock Vetenari

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    I happen to know a few shopowners that might like to have a little word with anybody advertising(the 'no advertising for cannabis' is another thing which is and has always been strictly enforced btw)the fact their shop sells concentrates in the form of oil,wether that's true or not...:rolleyes:
    If you've missed this,the attitude towards the shops atm is one of repression/reduction,so shops have to walk the line on tiptoes and are closed at every opportunity.
    Breaking of certain rules will lead to immediate and possibly permanent closure,the most important and frequently used is the minimumage,but after that is the selling of 'harddrugs',which oil sadly falls under according to our weird laws on the subject.

    Ps You're welcome OTA,although i doubt you'd need any help.:D
     
  18. tepictoton

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    euhmm dunno but I didn't advertise anything did I?

    For what it is worth, I have been working in the Netherlands for over 13years now, and have witnessed the insane situation progressing towards, well, hostility towards the shops.

    So I know not to make advertisements and so on. But in this regard it seems like you are barking up the wrong tree here...If mentioning one can get these extracts in a shop is a big nono they are breaking the law all over the place, called the internet. Mention of certain shops selling concentrates can be found on certain forums ever since 2008 and earlier...

    Are we here to discuss our hobby, or are we here to play the governments little puppies, having social control jump in the game? Sorry, but again, why do you come on so hostile towards me? i apolagized and made clear my remarks where nothing personal.

    Sorry guys, but seems like you do not get my points. I have witnessed the situation from close up, being a resident of Maastricht. I have seen how Roermond for instance has changed from an awfull city to a gate of hell so to speak, and I know Nijmegen will follow soon. So yes, i also share your concerns in this.

    And whome might those owners be then (I might happen to know a few of them, why o why?)? I guess you have not been round the Dam lately? Concentrates have found their way in, and will not leave anytime soon....

    Again, not arguing about the law, that is what it is, but in my world, the world I live in, not the one on paper, things are differently...

    i just don't see how you guys feel it is a major problem when I want to go and enjoy my homemade extracts with fellow enthousiasts in a place that offers me a spot to sit? And i do not understand how you manage to turn a friendly offer down twice by trying to bash me...

    hehe, just concentrate on the problems at hand and do not attack your fellow warriors...:cool:

    And ps i would love for them to check (as in test them for impurities)the concentrates being sold because some of them are pretty much awfull, not purged properly, leaving a mess on the nail...a direct result of the greyness of these areas of the law...

    And pps Goes is not allowing toerists anymore according to HighLife (is the only official shop in Goes as far as I know)
     
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  19. FLskwat

    FLskwat VAPOLITICS!

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    So, I stated in other threads that some coffeeshops have been selling FULL MELTS and ICE WATER EXTRACTS (bush doctor, resine & co), and this for YEARS (Bush doctors for more then 10 years already...). BTW, tepictoton, that is mostly why the nail is coming out so dirty...a full melt still has around 30% of vegetable matters!
    I also am aware of the classification of extracts as category 1 in NL, but as we also discussed previously it is any transformation of THC other then the nugs & the resins: so basically a space cake is illegal... as always a beautiful example of legal clarity...:D
    Now for sure BHO came in the Dam 2 years ago but it is a discrete connoisseur circle and you cannot try to score some openly to a budtender you do not know, that's for sure!
     
  20. tepictoton

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    yeah, you are right, only few places will even know what you are talking about if you ask for concentrates, and I am aware others will make funny faces if you ask for it....

    But I mean, it's not like I am walking around wearing a huge sign: BUTANEHASHOIL please :D

    @FLskwat: funny how fast one forgets he has absolutes in stead of a crude extract ;) meaning, my concentrates mostly leave almost no residue, so when a lot if left on it it can be a bit scary LOL. But def also came acros under purged samples...
     
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  21. FLskwat

    FLskwat VAPOLITICS!

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    I know, ROFL!
    100% agreed as I'm in the same boat, just wanted to share similar experiences! ;)
     
  22. djonkoman

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    I think the point was not danger to you, but to the shops. online everyone can read it, so if there are indeed shops selling oil, and word gets out online, police could get to know it too and it could lead to closure of the shop.
    in the last few years I know of 2 shops that have (permanently) closed around here, at one of these 2 a friend was budtender. probably closed down because of minors since it was a shop with a reputation that minors would often succeed at buying
     
  23. tepictoton

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    Well as shown previous in this thread, it has been online for quite some time.

    And I sure am not trying to endanger any shops or anything. I will always ask if it's okay to dab, and most places that I like to hang know me for years and do not have a problem with it. Most budtenders join in on the concentration exercises:)

    So, again sorry to might have been gotten of on the wrong foot, mixed with a little misunderstanding towards some of the people here from the Netherlands...was never intended that way...

    @djonkoman: welke regio? In Amsterdam I only know of 'de Rokerij' to have all their shops closed, from what I know it had to do with importing hashies...:2c: over here in Maastricht the major closed a bar recently, The Highlander, after several kind of drugs where found. After the closure the judge told the major he should not have closed the bar because what was found belonged to the visitors of the bar. This lawsuit might actually be applicable to cases discussed here...
     
  24. djonkoman

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    not at al familliar in amsterdam, I live close to leeuwarden. that shop where a friend worked closed down aleady a while ago, I think at least 1 year ago. for people familiar around here, I'm speaking of afrika.
    the other that went away(although replaced with another in the same building) is sacramento, I used to come there sometimes when I wasn't 18 yet so it wouldn't surprise me if they got closed down for having minors inside. (there were also others my age getting rejected there, but usually I didn't, except with one budtender who always asked for ID)
     
  25. justcametomind

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    Rokerij was closed down because one of the owners was found dealing for a pound or so with a german guy.
    As the case was reported I think it was the owner's fault who wanted to sell big quantities for profit, but anyway it's not uncommon for the owners to have problems because they can sell small quantities but it's illegal for them to buy from dealers or grow. Also, if they store more than half a pound in the shop they are against the law. So they have to restock many times during the day not to have more than half a pound in the CS.
    For what I know the more potent hashes they used to sell were banned more than ten years ago because they were declared equal to hard drugsand now you never find oils anymore. One of the shops who was famous for potent hash & had oils was the bluebird. And still is (speaking of hash), if you look at the menu :D
    http://www.coffeeshopmenus.org/Bluebird/Menus/Bluebird.html
    After that ban they began to product ice o lator hash that is still legal to sell. I really hope to see concentrates very soon.
    If someone goes to the Netherlands I recommend going at least once to Haarlem, there are many good CS (Birdy, Willie Wortels) and they are way cheaper than A'dam and you don't find tourist-traps.
     
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