Drying out your bud........

[stroh]

agreed, "too dry" isn't a phrase in the vaporization dictionary, though after a point it will degrade the flavor of your vapor.

i keep my nuggets in acrylic prescription pill bottles, it allows the buds to dry/cure a bit, but not to the point where it degrades the flavor or potency of my herb. if i plan on keeping stock for longer than a couple weeks i will put it in glass, but thats hardly ever the case.

 

[Qbit]

With typical convection vapes, sure. But with a MFLB, powder works wonderfully.

Super-dry is fine for any vape, but just because you can crumble your bud into a powder, doesn't mean you must.

Did you not just read that I don't care what type of vape you're using?

Yes I did. And do you not care that I'm discussing a vape you're unfamiliar with?

I guess you've never used a MFLB before then, as many owners use electric grinders to make really fine powder. The finer the bud is powdered, the more contact with the mesh heating element, the fatter the clouds.

That doesn't mean the bud is bone dry, just that it is FINELY GROUND.

You can't powder moist weed.

I've been growing and curing marijuana full-time for over 30 years.

Sure, for smoking. Around 15% moisture is optimal.

FOR VAPING... I haven't smoked for over 10 years.

I haven't been a smoker in almost 10 years either. But I imagine that if you've been growing full-time, then it's been for more than just personal supply. So you'd be drying your bud for smokers, not MFLB users.

If you can crumble a bud into POWDER between your fingers, IT IS TOO DRY !!!

No, not for vaping it isn't.

For anything other than extraction, it is too dry.

Well, you're entitled to be wrong.

 

[Bodhi Diesel]

Yes I did. And do you not care that I'm discussing a vape you're unfamiliar with?

What makes you think I'm unfamiliar with a MFLB? I've used one, didn't impress me much at all.

You can't powder moist weed.

Duh! Once again I'm not talking "moist" weed, I'm talking properly cured weed and you can grind it into a small enough particle to get full contact with the MFLB's element.

I haven't been a smoker in almost 10 years either. But I imagine that if you've been growing full-time, then it's been for more than just personal supply. So you'd be drying your bud for smokers, not MFLB users.

You assume an awful lot.

All of the cannabis that isn't for my personal use is CERTIFIED by SteepHill Labs and sealed in Nitrogen filled bags to preserve freshness at the OPTIMUM cure point, which is NOT BONE DRY. This product then goes to a Collective I belong to.

Well, you're entitled to be wrong.

Entitled? Yes
Factually? NO, I'm not

But you most certainly are wrong.

 

[Nosferatu]

Well by bone dry I didnt mean 0% moisture I meant just cured enough untill you can crumble it up into a joint or in this case a vape. There would obvoiusly still be some moisture, even if you could crumble it to a NEAR powder.

 

[Qbit]

Yes I did. And do you not care that I'm discussing a vape you're unfamiliar with?

What makes you think I'm unfamiliar with a MFLB? I've used one, didn't impress me much at all.

So I'm right - you're not familiar with it. The MFLB takes a bit of skill that you have to learn for it to work effectively. And you obviously didn't dry and powder your bud, either.

You can't powder moist weed.

Duh! Once again I'm not talking "moist" weed, I'm talking properly cured weed and you can grind it into a small enough particle to get full contact with the MFLB's element.

I'm talking in relative terms. Moist as opposed to bone dry. I don't mean damp.

I haven't been a smoker in almost 10 years either. But I imagine that if you've been growing full-time, then it's been for more than just personal supply. So you'd be drying your bud for smokers, not MFLB users.

You assume an awful lot.

And my assumptions were right.

All of the cannabis that isn't for my personal use is CERTIFIED by SteepHill Labs and sealed in Nitrogen filled bags to preserve freshness at the OPTIMUM cure point, which is NOT BONE DRY. This product then goes to a Collective I belong to.

Yeah, so your weed is prepared to be smoke-ready, like I said. After 30 years, your agricultural skills and knowledge are obviously highly tuned, and I respect that. But how are they relevant to the vaping of weed?

Well, you're entitled to be wrong.

Entitled? Yes
Factually? NO, I'm not

But you most certainly are wrong.

I'm open to changing my mind about anything if presented with a rigorous, convincing argument. But all you've offered are flat statements, and the information that you're a veteran grower - seemingly implying that this makes you a walking encyclopaedia on all things cannabinal and that we should therefore just take your word for it.

But that won't cut the mustard on these forums - no-one here is going to fold to that. So please, offer me, and other dry-weed enthusiasts, a detailed explanation for exactly why we should not bone-dry our bud for the purposes of vaping.

 

[Bodhi Diesel]

Well by bone dry I didnt mean 0% moisture I meant just cured enough untill you can crumble it up into a joint or in this case a vape. There would obvoiusly still be some moisture, even if you could crumble it to a NEAR powder.

Thank you for being at least honest.

 

[Bodhi Diesel]

What makes you think I'm unfamiliar with a MFLB? I've used one, didn't impress me much at all.

So I'm right - you're not familiar with it. The MFLB takes a bit of skill that you have to learn for it to work effectively. And you obviously didn't dry and powder your bud, either.

I am familiar with it, I used it for 6 months daily, found something better and gave it to my son who loves it.

Duh! Once again I'm not talking "moist" weed, I'm talking properly cured weed and you can grind it into a small enough particle to get full contact with the MFLB's element.

I'm talking in relative terms. Moist as opposed to bone dry. I don't mean damp.

I know exactly what you mean.

You assume an awful lot.

And my assumptions were right.

Not hardly.

All of the cannabis that isn't for my personal use is CERTIFIED by SteepHill Labs and sealed in Nitrogen filled bags to preserve freshness at the OPTIMUM cure point, which is NOT BONE DRY. This product then goes to a Collective I belong to.

Yeah, so your weed is prepared to be smoke-ready, like I said. After 30 years, your agricultural skills and knowledge are obviously highly tuned, and I respect that. But how are they relevant to the vaping of weed?

My exclusive vaping of my own product for TEN YEARS and the fact that a full 84% of our collective vaporizes as their main method of consumption (by survey) added to the fact that ALL flowers sold by the collective are SteepHill Labs SafeCannabis certified.

Well, you're entitled to be wrong.

Entitled? Yes
Factually? NO, I'm not

But you most certainly are wrong.

I'm open to changing my mind about anything if presented with a rigorous, convincing argument. But all you've offered are flat statements, and the information that you're a veteran grower - seemingly implying that this makes you a walking encyclopaedia on all things cannabinal and that we should therefore just take your word for it.

But that won't cut the mustard on these forums - no-one here is going to fold to that. So please, offer me, and other dry-weed enthusiasts, a detailed explanation for exactly why we should not bone-dry our bud for the purposes of vaping.

And we're supposed to just accept your unsupported assertion as fact why? Because your cheap ass $99 vaporizer works best with bunk shit?

I don't think so, sport.

 

[Abysmal Vapor]

I experimented with various humidity levels .. right now.. 1 strain...
So the drier the bud its the more powerful is the draw.. Air flow is easier and you can extract almost all in 1-2 hits (which some would say is not efficient ) .
The moister my bud is the longer it last.. and i need to stir..
So for long sessions i suggest moister bud..
For quick hit fuck-up i suggest drier bud.

 

[Qbit]

I am familiar with it, I used it for 6 months daily, found something better and gave it to my son who loves it.

I guess you never tried it with the new Power Adapter.

My exclusive vaping of my own product for TEN YEARS and the fact that a full 84% of our collective vaporizes as their main method of consumption (by survey) added to the fact that ALL flowers sold by the collective are SteepHill Labs SafeCannabis certified.

Well I'm glad to hear that so many of them vape. But I wouldn't suggest that you should supply bone-dry weed, even for vaporists. I'm not saying weed should be stored that way, but rather that buds can be extra-dried prior to vaping them.

And we're supposed to just accept your unsupported assertion as fact why? Because your cheap ass $99 vaporizer works best with bunk shit?

I don't think so, sport.

My assertion, sport, is supported by five pages of detailed posts right here in this very thread (read them all, if you haven't already), many of them from several of the most knowledgeable vapourists in the world. And that's not counting the many posts scattered among other threads (such as the MFLB one) which raise the subject of extra-drying weed for vaping. After all, this is Fuck Combustion, the undisputed world hub of all knowledge and discussion on the subject of vaping weed - the aggregate of thousands of years of collective vaping experience.

But then your assertion, sport, is supported only by your own personal experience. Whoop dee doo.

I'm not saying that anybody must bone dry their weed - just that many of us enjoy it and find it useful for certain purposes. But then there are others who prefer not to. I'm saying its about user preference. You're the one who's trying to lay down the law here.

 

[crawdad]

So the drier the bud its the more powerful is the draw.. Air flow is easier and you can extract almost all in 1-2 hits (which some would say is not efficient ) .
The moister my bud is the longer it last.. and i need to stir..
So for long sessions i suggest moister bud..
For quick hit fuck-up i suggest drier bud.

ditto. ive had very dry herb in my vg that would normally get torched very quickly, art is in knowing what you are dealing with so that if you want it to last more than 1-2 hits you go very easy on the flame, cut the flame time down by half or more and just increase as needed. for other vapes id imagine you can just hit it shorter or perhaps lower heat and gradually increase.

imho assuming the chemical process to move all of the herb from non-psychoactive form into psychoactive form has been more or less completed then it resolves to how you hit it in order to achieve what you want. i suppose it boils down to preference in hitting style so its not like there is going to be an ideal that fits for all here.

 

[pakalolo]

And we're supposed to just accept your unsupported assertion as fact why? Because your cheap ass $99 vaporizer works best with bunk shit?

I don't think so, sport.

Speaking of bunk shit...

Not sure what you've been vaping but it's clearly bunk shit, since it has you confused as to who is making unsupported assertions. As Qbit said, this thread is full of posts that support his point of view, but the only thing we have supporting your opinion is you stating your opinion over an over, except for added emphasis.

Undoubtedly the reason you couldn't make the MFLB work is that your material was neither dry enough nor ground finely enough. Calling the LB "cheap ass" because your stubborn opinion is wrong is really lame, "sport".

 

[JDSupreme]

Properly dried and cured weed is in a way more potent, since the weed burns evenly and more THC and CBD's are vaporized and inhaled into the lungs. And dry herb hits so much better. If I buy a sack that is not super dry (I never buy 'wet' herb, I don't pay extra $$ for water weight) I open the bag and let it dry out for 12-24 hours. If I vape some herb that is not super dry, the first hit or 2 drys it out. After that, it hits awesome.

Also, the dryer it is, the better it grinds into a fine powder, therefore leaving the most surface area exposed. This is essential to get killer hits IMO

If I can get my herb to a sawdust like consistency, it gets me high as shit, quick as shit.

Undoubtedly the reason you couldn't make the MFLB work is that your material was neither dry enough nor ground finely enough. Calling the LB "cheap ass" because your stubborn opinion is wrong is really lame, "sport".

+1

 

[Egzoset]

While the debate goes on over dryness i wish to make an update on my own experiments...

Drying weed in my kitchen oven below 50 C (i targetted 40 C) helped to make it dry enough for filling a Mason jar with it, leaving the top slightly opened. The fragrance was strong at some point, then it started to vanish but the "smoke" got thicker and much more satisfying. I'd say oven drying failed to accomplish curing suitable for me: during the 1st few days it was more like what i imagined "inhalo-therapy" would be, then after 3 or 4 days it started to feel familiar but no fragrance was left past a few more days though. This method worked for me under specific circumstances, my guess is it's OKay when harvesting from 1 dwarf plant every ten days or so - which means i use a tiny Mason jar... So, oven drying seems to be about drying, IMO. ...and time would be about curing (less time if one starts with dry material)...

 

[Qbit]

Properly dried and cured weed is in a way more potent, since the weed burns evenly and more THC and CBD's are vaporized and inhaled into the lungs. And dry herb hits so much better. If I buy a sack that is not super dry (I never buy 'wet' herb, I don't pay extra $$ for water weight) I open the bag and let it dry out for 12-24 hours. If I vape some herb that is not super dry, the first hit or 2 drys it out. After that, it hits awesome.

Although I'm not an expert on harvesting, as I understand it, harvested herb shouldn't be air-dried beyond the smoke-ready moisture content level of ~15% (which is to prevent mold). Then you should store it in a airtight container in the dark for curing - it will get better with age this way. Don't extra-dry your weed until the day you want to vape it.

I've been curing weed I've bought for many years just by listening people's advice on forums and in real life about the best way to store it. However I wasn't actually aware of the fact that I was curing it. I didn't even know what it quite meant until my time here at FC. Most growers in Prohibitionist jurisdictions don't cure their weed, since they don't want to be sitting on all that stash for months. So you can do this yourself if you have the time and the weed.

And then if you want to extra-dry your weed for vaping (so it goes crispy and crumbly), you can put it on a warm surface (like a TV) for a few hours. But don't extra-dry any more than you'd use in a day or two.

 

[JDSupreme]

Once I get it to the dryness I like, it goes in to a mason jar. But like I said, I very rarely buy anything that needs substantial drying.

 

[lwien]

And we're supposed to just accept your unsupported assertion as fact why? Because your cheap ass $99 vaporizer works best with bunk shit?

I don't think so, sport.

Now THAT is a fine exercise in the talents of trolling.

The FACT is, is that there are many here, many, many here who really enjoy their Launch Box and after extensive use, they have found that bud that crumbles between their fingers so that they can get it to an almost powdery consistency, works best for them. For those that use other vapes, that kind of consistency is not warranted.

But............to slam such a vape that is held here in such high regard by calling it a "cheap ass" vape, and then to further your insults by calling the bud that they are using "bunk shit", makes your efforts here very apparent, for one can express a difference of opinion without attacking ones decision for purchasing a particular vape or attacking their way of using it.

On that note, I just got a Launch Box to use in conjunction with my PD. My rotation goes like this. Medium grind in my PD. No extra drying required. Use it as it comes from my dispensary. After 3 hits, it is NOW bone dry. I empty the PD stem on to a piece of paper and crumble it into a fine powder which then goes into my LB for another one to two hits. Works great...............for me.

 

[Bodhi Diesel]

This forum doesn't contain FACTS presented by knowledgeable vaporists.

This forum is filled with egocentric twats living in their mother's basements hiding their stash and equipment.

Fuck you all !!

Modnote: Flaming is not allowed. This is clearly outlined in the forum rules.

 

[JDSupreme]

This forum doesn't contain FACTS presented by knowledgeable vaporists.

This forum is filled with egocentric twats living in their mother's basements hiding their stash and equipment.

Fuck you all !!

<---- I'll leave it at that

mod note: We consider 'troll' to be name calling, so unless you're trying to get an infraction yourself, I suggest you not point that term at another forum member.

 

[Nosferatu]

This forum doesn't contain FACTS presented by knowledgeable vaporists.

This forum is filled with egocentric twats living in their mother's basements hiding their stash and equipment.

Fuck you all !!

Modnote: Flaming is not allowed. This is clearly outlined in the forum rules.

I thought we had an interesting new user, I guess not. Be open to new information till the day you die. We are constantly evolving, nothing holds true forever.

 

[Egzoset]

I've noticed "interesting new users" get burned fast here sometimes but what's the topic again?...

Oh i sense it coming...

 

[mrfloopa]

#the drama on here, I've had my experiences with somebody in this thread before.

Anyway...

I hear (or read on here, actually) that leaving out weed oxidizes THC into CBDs or CBNs. But then I also hear that you should leave your weed out overnight or so to dry it. Doesn't that mean more THC would be oxidized? If THC does oxidize into compounds with higher boiling points, would drying it really be recommended for a fixed temp vape (like a log vape) that might not be able to heat up enough to get everything in the herb?

 

[Egzoset]

I sure am curious about that too as the whole matter sort of got me on the tip of my toes when the time came - and the time does come, eventually (Sativas have a 5 - 10 days ideal target window for harvesting them, i think)... Which means one can't keep wondering forever!

 

[VaporNinja]

I first grind up my herb then, put it in a mini Altoids tin. It's not airtight, and dries the bud nicely overnight.

 

[Egzoset]

Oh, i see. You divide to quonquer, so to speak!

The thing is i'm a HerbalAire user and i'm proud of it, which reminds me i must go to its dedicated thread to correct some mishap!... Anyway, back to our topic, i just wanted to argue that i much prefer the noble molecules to end up in my HerbalAire's main white teflon mouthpiece than, euh... on the internal surfaces of my grinder! It seems a lot more convenient to me to reclaim from behind the screen (at the base of that teflon mouthpiece) - which i thought couldn't be removed by the way!...

Imagine, that's taking me right back to a point in the past not long after mine was delivered - which happened in February!!! I've got quite a few good vaporizing sessions since then, the goo turns out to be, euh...

...juuuust fiiiiine!

 

[FlasH]

Glad I came in after the drama. I don't feel like I need to do any special curing or drying for any bud that I get (unless it is too wet to grind). My MFLB can dry herb fast enough so that after a few hits of smoke-ready bud it is dry enough for me to crumble in my fingers into a much finer powder. Not sure if that is really affecting the potency or if drier bud would get me more lifted, but dang-it I'm lazy and this works great for now.