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Discussion in 'The Vapor Lounge' started by FlyingLow, Jun 23, 2015.

  1. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    That has to be the most expensive tree pruning ever!!
    Shit happens in RC. Welcome to the money pit!!

    @FlyingLow
    In other news...
    I just bought th new DJI F450 Flame Wheel kit with the new motors and ESC's.
    Looking at the Pixhawk FC or even the AeroQuad FC. Still a while before I need those goodies so more research required.

    What Rx would you recommend? Not something crazy expensive... 8 or 9 channel should be enough!
     
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  2. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Great news! Very quality frame. A lot of people are using this arms with TeamBlackSheep frame, as it has wiring built into the TBS frame.

    Between the two, I confidently would recommend Pixhawk. I am not using one currently, but have flown them and they are widely used, proven, and from what I see very digestible to understand. A lot of folks, myself included, like KK2 boards for $30. I like their simple programming, and I like being able to do everything right on the board's LCD.


    Rx is dependent on what Tx you are using, as all brands are not cross compatible (IE a Futaba tx will not work with a Spectrum rx). What tx are you currently using?

    I think 8-9 channels is nice, but you typically wont need all of them for quads. Take a look at the Taranis 9ch, this radio offers the most bang for your $$ and can do absolutely everything and you can add telemetry for less than any other radio.
     
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  3. capcoho

    capcoho Well-Known Member

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    I recently picked up a Syma x5c-1 with a few extra batteries and it has been perfect for my 8 year old to learn on. Replaced 2 motors already but thankfully they are cheap and bought a few spares.

    Will most likely upgrade at a later date as I want to get higher ;)
     
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  4. t-dub

    t-dub Vapor Sloth

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    Just saw a news report today about commercial airline pilots complaining of seeing drones in close proximity upon takeoff and landing. Some politician was taking about legislation requiring "geo-fencing" software being placed on all new drones that would not allow them above 500 feet or within 2 miles of an airport or close to other protected sites.
     
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  5. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    This IS one of the largest issues we face. It is a few bad apples that are really instigating all the legislation. The ONLY thing you must do when flying any RC vehicle is to avoid manned aircraft.

    I have several friends with the FAA and these incidents are far more common than the public is aware of... sad. All these incidents are driving the aviation industry crazy and they are taking a huge stance against drones. The moment that asshat crashed his heli into the WhiteHouse lawn, is when I started hearing the term geo-fencing.

    There are a number of different groups involved that are driving this, FAA, airports, governments, but also any citizen can add their property to the registry, and entire neighborhoods can be shut down, along with any RC flying location within 5 miles of an airport (even if it is an AMA insured field).

    DJI/Naza is on-board with this as are a few other large companies, though it will be a while before full implementation. They see the geofencing protecting the hobby from people that can do the industry harm. Drones can easily be a billion dollar business in the US alone, if we can avoid having civilian use entirely outlawed.

    The reality is going to be VERY difficult to enforce the more advanced pilots- those that can fly without satellite GPS and stabilization. I don't use GPS on any of my aircraft right now, so it is impossible to "fence" me. The only thing that would take me out would be to jam radio signals in and around major cities.... That would not hold me back but for a moment though, as I have the equipment to transmit radio or video on numerous frequencies including UHF.


    The reality is that it will come in time, and school fields that were used after hours to fly will be made illegal, all state and national parks it is already illegal to fly, and all sorts of places will be made illegal to be in that airspace. The city of Chicago has taken a huge stance against drones and it is going to be very interesting to see how this plays out.


    Another HUGE problem can be seen out west in Cali, where they are actively hunting for drone operators that interfere with fire containment efforts. ey will ground all water tank aircraft if a drone is seen and more asshats keep putting drones in the air to film the fires and the tanker aircrafts. There is now a real bounty offered in Cali of $25,000 for turning in these drone operators interfering with firefighters' efforts.
     
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  6. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    I've got an AR Drone 2.0 by Parrot but I don't get to use it as much as I like. Really needs a 2nd or 3rd battery.
    [​IMG]

    It's very user-friendly with the smartphone app - but there's probably better 1st-timer choices
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  7. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    I actually like the Parrot for beginners, it is simple to fly, stabile, and is very intuitive with the controls. It is not a system that can easily be upgraded, like say the DJI 450 Flamewheel, but it gets beginners in the air, teaches controls and builds confidence.

    One thing you can do for additional batteries, if you can solder, is to replace the connectors on the battery with something more hobby-standard, like Deans. Then you can buy 1500mah batteries for really cheap on Hobbyking.com. (no affiliation) They can source your 1500 batteries for under $10 each+ shipping.
     
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  8. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    Thanks for the KK FC board tip!
    Will look into it as a great first FC to use that won't break the bank!

    I do not have a Tx yet... Taranis is up there though!
     
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  9. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    If you have a HobbyTownUSA near you, also go check out the Spektrum DX6. This has been the best beginner choice available, until the Taranis came out. HTUSA will definitely push you towards Spektrum primarily because of their parent company Horizon Hobby, but not necessarily a bad thing... the big stores tend to shy away from Taranis because it is open source.

    Both will do everything you need, both will speak to you when you are running low on battery, dropping signal from going to far, or any other warning parameters you want to set. These warnings are very helpful, especially with the larger, high$$ ships.

    I can certainly recommend a few less expensive radios, but as you are getting a 450 ready, I think you are going also be moving to more and more frames very soon (kinda like VAS). The two radios above, either can control a handful of models at once so you only need one radio for your whole fleet, and you can grow with these radios.
     
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  10. StickyShisha

    StickyShisha Well-Known Member

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  11. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    I need one of those Eagles in my backyard, some dick head kept flying their quadcopter fucking thing around my patio last night when I was sitting out listening to music while vapin' my herb.

    If I didn't live in suburbia it would have been riddled with birdshot and in the garbage right now.

    I believe these fucking things need more regulation. My right to privacy is more important then someones RC toy hobby.
     
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  12. Joel W.

    Joel W. Deplorable Basement Dweller Accessory Maker

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    Enter the Rapere, a prototype drone-hunting drone which can down other tiny unmanned aircraft by entangling special string in their rotors.

    A group claiming to be “commercial drone developers” have created the machine which can automatically identify drones, hover above them and release a “tangle-line” that falls into their rotors and causes it to crash. It will then return to its base station for recharging and re-arming.
     
  13. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Sounds good in theory, but will be too costly to own and it is damn near impossible work to position one right on top of another (unless it is locked in a GPS hold), but it will not take out a moving quad nor airplane.


    There is a huge difference between recreational flying and going peeping tom on your neighbors, but remember even if you own your own home and property, you DO NOT own the airspace. Violators have already been caught and charged with shooting other's drones out of the sky and the FAA is who you will eventually answer to... of course that is after paying for damages to personal property in small claims court.

    Bottom line~ Call the police if you think there is a drone trespassing, but do not take matters into your own hands.





    In related news, Drone Racing is just blowing up, and received a $1m investment from Miami Dolphins owner:
    http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/12/9136279/drone-racing-league-one-million-backing
     
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  14. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    The one in my yard was flying at less then 6 feet off the ground and had to Drop into my backyard which is surrounded by 60ft tall trees, if it comes back I will take it down somehow (thinking small cast-net or Wrist rocket) and deal with the asshole owner when they come to get it. No way I would call the police first.

     
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  15. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    LOL sounds like a toy, but I guess my post was more a warning that if taking out multi-thousand dollar rigs, expect to pay for it.
     
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  16. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    I wouldn't think it could fly onto my back yard and around my patio and avoid tree branches and shrubs at Dusk/twilight without video feed to the user, even a $2000-$5000 quad is still Just a toy, serves no other purpose that I can see.

    I would darn near invite the owner to take me to court if I bring it down and they would have to to try to get it back 'cause once it's on the ground in my fenced in yard with locked gates it's fucking mine as far as I can see. No fuckin' reason for it to be where it was and it couldn't get there flying just line of sight with the naked eye.
     
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  17. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    LOL, only you can pick your battles:) Just fyi, historically these cases have been treated as destroying others property. You would have to prove malicious intent, that is not impossible but not easily accomplished.
     
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  18. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    The video quality on our helicopters poses no real threat to civilian privacy as I see it. If someone wants to spy on you, there are much easier, cheaper, and higher resolution methods...

    Click to play YouTube Video


    Worried a drone is going to take out your commercial flight? You might see us, but these turbines chew up a lot nastier bits than our foam and carbon rc vehicles.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fear-drone...-ado-about-nothing-says-airline-pilot-1515001
     
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  19. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    That's quite some zoom!!

    The parts are slowly rolling in!
    DJI F450 Flame wheel kit with the new propulsion system has landed!
    Turnigy TGY-i10 has landed!
    DJI Nazo Lite with GPS is on route!
    Turnigy 3S 3000mAh LiPo X2 is on route!

    Can't wait to start assembly!

    Oh and one of these because i always wanted to say that i flew a helicopter!
    http://remote-control-helicopters-review.toptenreviews.com/hero-h911-irocket-review.html

    A Hero H911 flybar heli.
    It's a good intro to start with and since WINTER IS COMING(!) it will be fun indoors!
    Heli's have always interested me and my dad used to have one but he always said he spent more time fixing than flying, so it got sold. I had one of those dual rotor things when they first came out but they were not very agile at all and got bored quickly, so it got sold.

    Okay off to fly the Syma X5C-1 and the Latrax Alias!
    Still have to master a flight longer than 10 seconds in EXPERT mode on the Alias... All the help is turned off and it is twitchy as hell! Lots of instant excitement and then new shorts! LOL!
     
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  20. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    That is a great next step and will definitely quicken your learning curve. Here is another larger one if you want something a little faster before you step into a collective pitch heli.

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  21. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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  22. VegNVape

    VegNVape BBC Computer 32K Company Rep

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    I definitely appreciate what you are saying there, although if someone simply wants to spy or get an idea of what you're up to does high resolution really matter?

    For all of that amazing zoom on the Nikon it eventually loses it's edge when the branch from a tree gets in the way! D'oh! It can't see around it, over it or into it. Drones obviously have the advantage there. I mean, you can't expect to have much privacy where someone may have line of sight on you anyway, but if you erect a high enough fence around your garden your privacy should pretty much be guaranteed - in as much as nothing & no one should really be looking over your fence or coming over it and into your property.


    That 20 minute rescue is amazing btw. It's really great to see Drones being used in such a positive way and being reported as such by the media.

    Soooo many uses & possibilities.


    I definitely want one.


    :peace:
     
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  23. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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  24. Joel W.

    Joel W. Deplorable Basement Dweller Accessory Maker

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    wow.
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
  25. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    That guy has nerves of steel! Id be so worried of throwing a blade off a motor, right into my neck!

    @lazylathe- what's happening on your bench? How is the 450 coming along?

    Trying to finish up my 250 racer right now, but really have been focused on my airplanes recently... I've been in and out of surgeries the past weeks and finally built a new cheapo foamie basher- a Value Hobbies edge 540 profile I got together for $70.

    But my head is distraught and deistracted. I only want to fly my big gasser, 62cc engine on a 30+lbs P-47 that I'd been tinkering on for years. The final 10 hours of assembly and tuning were done at my buddy's house about a month ago and it has been ready to fly ever since... but I have not yet got her back to the field. I will not sleep until this bird flies. Will post pics and video of the maiden.
     

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