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Does stuff get lost/wasted when vaping thru water?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by vapor33, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. vapor33

    vapor33 Active Member

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    I researched a little bit and got mixed answers. One site said you do lose some thc because it gets caught in the water? Another site said this is definitely true with smoking, but they are not sure about vaping. Just hoping that you guys can give some input on this.
  2. Vicki

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    Lost in the water? I don't see how that's possible. Build up on the inside of the glass, most definitely
  3. lwien

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    You lose a little bit when vaping though a bong or bubbler filled with water, but you more than make up for it by the volume of the hit that you can take. So while you lose a little bit of efficiency, you get to where you are going a whole lot faster.........and harder.
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    Agree with Vicki ... THC is non water soluble so it will just pass through, but some resin which contains THC builds up on the walls of anything that you vape/smoke through. This can be reclaimed through methods such as scraping (if areas are accessible to scrape) or through dissolving in alcohol and evaporating.

    ie. If you vape through a water tool, with or without water you will lose some THC, but its negligible. And the alternative is really hot/harsh vapor or smoke with a very short path from location of vaporization to your mouth.
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  6. vapor33

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    Ok, that is good news. I figured it didn't really make sense because everyone loves using water tools. Thanks to everyone for clearing it up.
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    well, it clearly removes some taste/smell..
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  8. max

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    There is absolutely no doubt that water traps some THC, water soluble or not. I noticed this with smoking and the first bong I ever owned, decades ago, and my long term vaping habits, using both direct draw and water filtration, does nothing but validate that for me.

    As for Vaporpedia being the last word, the reference has no studies to back it up. It's no more the gospel than many wikipedia references are. I'll take my own longtime personal experience in this instance. That said, the amount of actives lost to water may be less than what's lost with smoking, vs. vaping, so you have to balance efficiency against smoother, more enjoyable (and often bigger) hits. If I'm after big hits they're going to be water filtered. If I'm looking for smaller, more tasty hits, I'll be loading a small bowl, and using a short vapor path with direct draw. I insist on having both options, and IMO that's the way to go if you can afford it.
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  9. vapor33

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    Which one do you like more? Do you get higher from the water tool hits?
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    It depends. If one method always gave me more satisfaction I wouldn't use two. Sometimes I don't need as much to get me to the level I want, and sipping smaller hits does the trick. At other times I want more vapor per hit and milking up the Mobius is the way to go.

    If the basis of your thread is to decide which way to go on a vape, you can pretty much go either way with something like the e-nano. Load a stem and you can get small, tasty direct hits, or use the gong adapter and mate the vape with some glass for much bigger hits. It's a good 'either or' vape.
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  11. Tweak

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    ^^^I've found this. Taste is sacrificed. It also takes away the ability to feel the vapor, because it cools and conditions the vapor, which for most people is a great thing. For combusters trying to switch over, having to "feel" the hit might be best.

    I've also experienced that if the water pipe is dirty or the water is dirty it will add taste to your hits, and not pleasant ones. So for best results, clean after every session.
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  12. DDave

    DDave Vape Wizard

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    Totally spot on! Any dirty components in the vapor path will contribute to modifying the taste of the vapor.... more than likely unpleasantly as well!

    Another thing to note if your seriously trying to inhale every possible bit of vapor from a draw is to cut down the number of 90 degree angels in your air path. I've found nothing sticks the medicine to the wall better than slamming it head first into your glass on a 90 degree angle.
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  13. lwien

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    In regards to vapor taste going through water, one thing to keep in mind is to keep the diffusion in check. Too much diffusion really can take away from the taste big time. With vapor, you really don't need that much.
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    any residue you see in your water or on your glass is condensed vapor and at this point in time is "wasted". if you collect and save your iso you clean your glass with you can reclaim it and get some powerful oil :)

    btw exhaled vapor is technically wasted vapor too. but i don't mind :p
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  15. lwien

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    Ya know, while that seems to be an accepted fact, my experience tells me otherwise. I KNOW that I get MUCH higher on a massive hit from my LSV while blowing out HUGE clouds than I ever did on a hit from my PD or my MFLB where I exhaled very little.
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  16. weedemon

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    i'd wager that's because you are maxing out your alveoli's ability to absorb any more actives with each hit! I much prefer the massive hitters myself too. I'm not surprised that a thicker hit (higher density of the goodies) gets you higher :) me too! pass the LSV please :) I bet what you're vapin on is tasty!
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  17. lwien

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    But if that were the case, why would I be able to exhale anything from a PD or MFLB hit?
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  18. weedemon

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    when we breathe in, we do not use all of the air in that breath. we absorb the O2 and other things, and we put Co2 back out when we exhale. there is air in the middle that is the carrier of all this gas transfer.

    I think that's because even with a PD/MFLB hit it can still be more than what we can absorb in our lungs. but as with most things, higher concentrations give a stronger effect. think herbs vs concentrate. also stronger effect right? but still the same chemicals so to say.

    if i recall correctly mflb says to shoot for no visible vapor on your exhale. but i personally don't think that's very fun.
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  19. lwien

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    I just don't get as high doing that as I do with 2 massive hits from my LSV. I mean, maybe eventually I would, but if that were the case, it would take just too damn long.
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    IMO, massive hits get you higher because of two reasons. You go from sober to medicated much quicker, so the effect is more apparent. And gradual small hits allow your body to brace itself, for better lack of technical terms, for the impending meds.

    The sudden rush of dopamines from a large hit is like a kick in the face. Compared to sippin on small hits and juice, laid back, with my mind on my money and my money on my mind.
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  21. lwien

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    True, but the high lasts more than just a sudden rush. I get more high for one and half hours with two hits from the LSV than I do for one and half hours from 8 hits from the MFLB. If what I exhale is wasted vapor, how can this be when I also exhale from the Box? Something doesn't make sense here.
  22. darkrom

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    I don't know the science behind it, but if I vape too much too quick I get anxious as hell. Sometimes so much so that I shake violently and can't stop, even while mentally calm. A PHYSICAL anxiety attack basically. When I pace myself I can vape more all day if I want. Much more quantity, but less at once and that is no problem. Its when I rush that I get horrific panic attacks.
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    Wow Dark. Man, the only time I ever experienced a panic attack, actually kind of semi-panic attack, is when I ate too many edibles. Kinda white-knuckled it......:o

    But yours is even more odd because it affects you physically but not mentality. Mine was kind of a combo of both, not shaking, but walking around in circles with no place to go. lol
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  24. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    I think its just I've dealt with anxiety long enough to learn to talk myself out of it mentally, but what is weird is that when it happens I can be alone relaxed as can be, and it'll happen physically still. Benzos are the ONLY thing that stops it, besides sleeping it off which is incredibly difficult. Easy enough, just don't rush and overmedicate.

    And I can't do edibles AT ALL or it will induce a very long/strong physical anxiety attack, and a moderate mental one to go with it. Really bums me out, but I just avoid edibles or taking too much vapor at once.
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    Yeah. At least you know what to do to avoid it, eh? That's a good thing.
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