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Does oxide dust travel through water?

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by 1337Dude, Jul 22, 2014.

  1. 1337Dude

    1337Dude Active Member

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    Maybe this is a dumb question but I was just curious. Does something have to soluble to be captured by water? I'd assume water can capture things that don't dissolve into the water, so wouldn't oxide dust be captured by the water as well?

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  2. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    There are many different types of "Oxides" so you may need to be more specific in your question.

    I ain't really a science guy but oxide just means it's a chemical compound that contains at least one Oxygen atom along with at least one other Element.

    So the answer to your question may vary from compound to compound. Point out which compound your worried about and someone else with more knowledge then myself may be able to answer you.
     
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  3. 1337Dude

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    Sorry, I was being vague, I'm referring to the white oxidation layer that builds up on TI Nails after use - and when scraped off is what I've seen referred to as oxide dust. People replace and maintain their Ti nail to avoid this oxide layer because if inhaled, causes more potential for cancer.
     
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  4. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    I was just kind of lost, One day I'll actually have oil to dab so i still know next to nothing about nails of any type.
     
  5. pigfoot

    pigfoot Dabs are vaping too!

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    Just guessing here, but I would say yeah, any oxide dust should be captured by the water. But you could clean your nail with some sandpaper or steel wool, and get rid of the oxide, or got to a quartz nail if this concerns you.
     
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  6. 215z

    215z Well-Known Member

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    Titanium Dioxide is insoluble in water and cranberry juice. I do not know the extent to which of fine dust gets trapped in water.
     
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  7. farscaper

    farscaper Well-Known Member

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    do you use sunscreen? if you do you rub it all over you wherever you put sunscreen...

    its used to make things look white...

    frankly if your nail is super oxidized... either A slow the torch down... or B get a higher grade nail cause I doubt titanium dioxide is your only concern.
     
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  8. 1337Dude

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    Why do you doubt that? Because someone convinced you to spend a lot more money on your nail?

    My nail isn't oxidized in the least, I have a relatively new HE V3 Nail. I'm just using some rational logic to weed out the advertising fluff from the facts. For all I know, everyone could be afraid of oxidation on nails purely because someone at Highly Educated told them to be afraid.

    I'm simply trying to find some basis in the oxide layer scare... :) I'm sure it's there, but it would be nice if someone could help me better understand it - I understand that a lot of people simply don't want to take chances and will go through any lengths to minimize the stress on their health.
     
  9. farscaper

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    chill. dont assume anything.

    my statement stands and I was clear.

    if you DONT have an issue with oxidizing then my statement was NOT for you dude.

    again, if you have an issue with you nail becoming oxidized then either your torching it toooooooo much or you might want to check into what it was manufactured with.

    again... since you dont then no worries...

    btw ... I use quartz...

    peace out.
     
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  10. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    Once I realized Titanium Oxide is even in namebrand chewing gum, I definitely stopped caring so much.

    @1337Dude TI Oxide definitely is trapped by the water. Only something like a really crappy stemless perc, on a super short bong, could (barely) conceivably not trap the dust.
     
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  11. 93gc40

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    there is a difference between being soluble in water and being filterable via water. Many contaminant in smoke/vapor can and are filterable through water. Not all of those things are soluble in water. Water doesn't remove all of any contaminant from smoke/vapor. And based on the fascination with exhaling clouds of vapor/smoke. I doubt most would want a filter that actually removed the all the possible contaminants, from said smoke/vapor. Face it EVERY time you INHALE, you are inhaling bad stuff. It's up to you to decide how much and what bad stuff you want to voluntarily inhale.
     
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  12. syrupy

    syrupy fumed

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    I don't know about oxides, but I could see how something could be inhaled, depending on the layout of the rig and how strongly the inhale is. Back in the combustion dayz, I could inhale so strongly on a straight tube that little bits of bud would fly right through the water path and up the tube. Sometimes it would make it all the way into my mouth. If that can happen, why couldn't a tiny piece of whatever become dislodged and end up down the vaporist's throat? This was the exact reason I started using ashcatchers, as solid material would get trapped at that layer. Maybe it wasn't providing real safety. It's what I did.

    With today's tiny oil rigs, I think the possibility of matter getting through the water relatively unfiltered is even greater than when big tubes ruled the land.
     
  13. 1337Dude

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    That's a very vague answer. I'm aware that to a certain degree - inhaling anything that's not pure air can be bad for you.

    The thing is, I don't really care about other contaminants. Those other contaminants aren't necessarily carcinogenic. What I'm discussing is very specific, carcinogenic, and has a whole market centered around it - TI Oxide Dust. Is TI Oxide Dust filterable via water? If so, what degree of it is filtered out? This should be an important question for anyone who has dabbed off a TI nail before. I'm only asking because I'm not only concerned about my health, but my wallet as well - which is why I'm attempting to be particularly scrutinizing. ;)

    I want to take preventative, health-wise steps that don't dive into the realm of diminishing returns. Are people spending $80 on pieces of metal that are only .0001% less likely to give them cancer? Are people buying expensive TI nails just to feel better about themselves and their health? Are businesses exploiting this ignorance? Are we all being exploited? :shrug:

    I'm okay spending $80+ on something that could be 100% unnecessary (I already bought my HE Nail), but I'm also still curious about the marketing and rational behind the HE nails and their popularity. As much as I'd like to simply turn my brain off regarding the situation, I want to eventually find out if I wasted my money or perhaps if we're all going to get lung cancer from regularly using real GR2 TI just as much as fake GR2 TI :worms:

    I really just wish there were more cold, hard facts on this type of information rather than logical speculation, anecdotes, and intuition. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, dabbing on TI is my primary method of THC consumption and I don't see that changing until something better comes along. :nod:
    I hate to be that guy, but do you have anything to back any of this information up? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to do more than take your word for it.
     
  14. syrupy

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    Sorry to jump into your discussion, but I wanted to say I appreciate where you're coming from. I have some of the same concerns. And what bugs me is something better did come along for me (quartz nails and bangers), but I still use the swing curve and the HE nail. I don't know why, either. Quartz tastes as good, is less expensive, and I haven't heard a theory yet that says quartz causes anything bad.

    I worry that I still use TI because I am stubbornly refusing to fully switch to quartz without scientific data that says TI is bad. The flaw for me is if I use it in the interim, and TI is later found to be dangerous or unhealthy, it'd be a little too late to switch then . :(

    Despite that quartz puts the whole problem to rest (and we didn't even touch the TI grading problem) at a lower cost, I'm still a nail-carrying member of the TI Club/Cult. For now.
     
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  15. rasmundi

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    I've read on Instagram that the titanium oxides can take more oxide from the water and become even more toxic. On Reddit they say this may be one of the reasons for spontaneous human combustion, people accumulating excess oxides. I don't use water any more for that very reason.
     
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