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Does one miss the clouds?

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by DanAndroid, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. vorrange

    vorrange Well-Known Member

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    In terms of efficiency and maximizing your stash, you should take smaller hits and be sure no visible vapour comes out. Exhaling until you see a wisp of vapour and then inhaling new air and holding your breath ensures more oxigen gets into the lungs to assimilate the remainder cannabinoids.

    Then there is the psychological factor from our pre-vaporizing days, where you exhaled a big lungfull. Plus, don't forget that big hits are usually more felt on the throat and give that rush of having your lungs filled to the brim with vapour and then letting it fog the room.

    On the other hand, there is the visual aid that clouds give you, allowing you to have a way to evaluate the thickness of the hit and the dosing you are receiving, like T-Dub said.
    You can use a bubbler for a similar, although not exactly the same, effect.

    And finally, a predominantely convection vaporizer gives more vapour output than a predominantely conduction vaporizer, and a vaporizer that can maintain a steady temperature for longer draw times is able to produce bigger hits. So, the ability to produce big clouds is also a good measure of the quality of the experience you will get with a specific vaporizer.


    Now, how you choose to vaporize it is entirely up to you. Sometimes i hold it in, sometimes i don't.

    But, if i had unlimited quantities of herbs, i would produce big clouds most of the time though.

    It is just more fun! :D
     
  2. mvapes

    mvapes Surrounded by the healthy!

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    I agree with vorrange - it's becoming more and more apparent that big clouds aren't typically necessary to achieve maximum efficiency . If you can get complete extraction with lung busting hits than what's the purpose of dense clouds aside from personal satisfaction?

    I think this is an interesting time for vaporists. We're going to start seeing the real balance of technology versus muscle.

    Herbie has proven it.
     
  3. Vicki

    Vicki Herbal Alchemist

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    No. I just want my medicine to get into my body to help my pain, inflammation, nausea and vomiting. IMO, clouds are wasting my medicine.
     
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  4. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    Bingo! I'm all about being personally satisfied. :cheers:

    :peace:
     
  5. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    I'm not convinced it's a waste, Vicki. I get higher with clouds than without.
     
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  6. mvapes

    mvapes Surrounded by the healthy!

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    I guess that did come out wrong. What I meant was, if you can get just as medicated without the heavy clouds, then what else would you need them for?

    But seriously Stu, thanks for pointing it out.


    :lol::D:D
     
  7. Tweek

    Tweek Well-Known Member

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    I am in a cloud of fat rips right now and giggling like a school gal. So yeah, <3 cloudz.
     
  8. johnnyblaze805

    johnnyblaze805 Certified Dankologist

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    Vapor bongin with my buddha produces fat ass clouds!! Minus the nasty shit!!!:tup:
     
  9. crawdad

    crawdad floatin

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    ive always vaped with a little bit of combust mixed in from time to time (still) and sometimes i do crave ridiculous clouds, like "why is it so hard to see in here?" but i also dont like the waste so to minimize that i will take the abv and either vape near combust or just combust a few to get that "big cloud feels". i think the sudden intake (not just seeing the clouds) has an effect although its quite temporary ime vs being efficient about it. so, its about mixing it up for me.
     
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  10. kahlilhc

    kahlilhc Vaped Crusader/Serial Vapist

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    Solo at 7(210c) ...............CLOUDS
     
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  11. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Ok, here's the deal.

    If you were in the cockpit of a 747, would you rather be flying around in a cloudless sky or would you like to be flying through this:

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Vicki

    Vicki Herbal Alchemist

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    Personally, I would love to be able to look down on the land and features of the Earth....things like the Grand Canyon, etc. :)
     
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  13. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Me too.....................through the clouds. ;)
     
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  14. bumdiggy84

    bumdiggy84 Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry to hear that the extreme Q was not the right vaoporizer for you... it has completely changed my life.... especially when I found a water tool... it's the one that is use with the pinnacle Pro.... it eliminates the whip and the bag, virtually no maintenance, and the clouds are as thick and big as you can possibly fill your lungs... just like the combusting days

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EFRP3SI/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



    http://thevaporblunt.corecommerce.com/14-4-mm-Micro-shower-Water-Tool-Attachment.html

    This set up along with a Firefly is VAPING HEAVEN!!! :mmmm:
     
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  15. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu stay true to yourselves

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    I feel you on that one!
     
  16. Jerry Vedder

    Jerry Vedder New Member

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    I've been blowing clouds for 37 years...my lungs can't take it anymore.I don't miss the clouds or the lung bursting cough. Last I knew before I started vaping I wasn't smoking weed for the cloud. I was smoking to get high. Today at a few months short of 50. I now medicate as my dear friend says. Indulging in the finest of buds for me is about getting a good nights sleep its not just about getting stoned anymore.
     
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  17. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu stay true to yourselves

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    A bit jelous of those vape-heads among us that still manage to get insanely thick clouds. I need to get off youtube.. They are definitely hacking @ life.
    Some of the clouds produced by portable vapes and e-cigs are phenomenal. I get little whispy vapes from my EQ.. Meth smokers are getting better vape clouds than I am :( Why are meth heads succeeding at something that I am not? Lol
     
  18. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    IIRC you do not vape cannabis, correct? Cannabis vaporizes with more visible vapor because of the oily trichomes on the plant. Few other herbs that I know of have the same characteristic and therefore vaporize with much less visible vapor IME. :2c:

    :peace:
     
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  19. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu stay true to yourselves

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    Spot on. I'm vaping other herbs. I never knew that it was the oily trichomes that made it so misty! I've found a light smoke from Damiana, and more harsh dense puffs from Greater Celandine, and lavender was a bit smokey but I am still getting into the others. If I find a herb that rivals Mary Jane in terms of thick clouds, ill let you guys know so that the true cloud-lovers among us can mix it in with their bowl! :)
     
  20. dorkus_molorkus

    dorkus_molorkus Majesticus Assholius

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    so hang on? you dont consume cannabis?

    But you have 260 posts and have started 12 threads in just 12 days of membership.
    and you didnt know it was the trichromes that was producing the thick vapor?

    perhaps more reading and less posting would help?
     
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  21. Deja Vu

    Deja Vu stay true to yourselves

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    Nah, not necessary for me to know every in and out of vaporizing a drug that I don't even use. Knowledge on vaporizers in general is more what I am interested in, and the lovely community and other off-topic discussions. A person that doesn't smoke weed is still allowed to ask questions and participate in a thread titled 'Do you miss clouds?'
    I used to smoke a lot. I miss clouds. Thanks for the advice though, man.
     
  22. crawdad

    crawdad floatin

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    ah yes, the "damiana clouds" lol not much, but quite an intense flavor! vape on. (prefer the tea form)

    currently not missing clouds, but tomorrow is another day. :peace:
     
  23. Jethro

    Jethro Well-Known Member

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    I seem to stupid clouds from my PAX! Don't know if I am doing something wrong or incredibly right, but serious clouds happen consistently!
     
  24. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so I resurrected a year old thread. I don't see a reason to start another but felt the need to share a recent experience.

    The LSV has been my daily driver for over 2 years now. Got a Mini a few weeks ago and that has been all that I was using. As a matter of fact, I like it so much that I was even considering selling my LSV.

    Then last night I was thinking, "Ya know, I wonder if there's anything left in the Mini's ABV (uniform dark brown). I know it looks spent, but is it really?' So I fired up the LSV put the Mini's ABV into a Q basket and inserted it into an M2M and mated it to my D020-D. Whammo.............HUGE, tasty clouds. Not tasty like on a brand new bowl but not tasting nasty in the least. While the Mini can produce clouds, there is no way in hell that it can produce the voluminous clouds that the LSV can with a measly 5 second draw.

    Now we keep hearing that cloud production is just wasted vapor, but I totally disagree. 2 full cloud producing hits from my LSV got me more whacked out than 4 hits from my MV that does not produce that kind of cloudage. Now granted, I can get to a satisfactory place with the MV and it is definitely more efficient being that I won't over shoot the mark because of the extra time and pulls that it takes to get there, but for me, there is no denying two things:

    One, is that I can get a more complete extraction with the LSV, and two..........clouds DO matter.

    Will I hang up the MV? Absolutely not. It will be in rotation with my LSV. The way I'm using my vapes now, the initial hits will be through the MV. Too much fun to use and the cleanliness of the taste, in my opinion, is tops. But then, after it looks kinda spent, into the LSV it will go to finish it off and will continue to use the MFLB for a one hit-n-quit top off.

    I will, however, load up a fresh bowl in the LSV every once in awhile just to keep things fresh and interesting. As of now, this three vape combo is perfect for me.

    And again, it must be stated that or me, HUGE, DENSE clouds is NOT wasted vapor for they get me totally whacked and higher in a shorter period of time than if they didn't exist. Just because you can get high with no visible vapor does not mean that visible vapor is a waste for the question then becomes, how high and how quick do you get there.
     
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  25. Madcap79

    Madcap79 Jack of all trades, master of none.

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    @lwien

    Strictly out of curiosity, is there a way to tell what temps you used? Does the LSV go higher in temp than the MiniV?
     
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