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Does a sudden environment change intensify a high?

Discussion in 'Vaporization Discussion' started by KidFated., Dec 23, 2013.

  1. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    I think it does for me. Am i trippin?
  2. max

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    After many years of research I've found that the effects are more pronounced when I'm in a location or situation that's not the norm. I'm assuming you're not just talking about a quick change in temp/weather conditions.
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  3. mrboote

    mrboote ethics matter

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    ^ Yeah there is a direct correlation between how inappropriate it is to be on the reefer in a given situation, and how absolutely baked you will feel when attempting to navigate said situation high.

    Some examples:
    job interview
    routine traffic stop
    dentist visit
    a funeral
  4. Snappo

    Snappo Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"

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    I think max and mrboote are on to something here. Unfamiliar or unfrequented settings can trigger a minor sense of disorientation even under normal head conditions. A flurry of neurons are firing as we try to make sense of our surroundings, forming new associations while holding on to old ones, and ultimately settling into a new found sense of stability. Under normal head conditions this is a challenge, yet when viewing the new setting through an herbal lens the dynamics of the challenge is intensified. This needn't be discomfiting in the least, and is often quite pleasant as presented in a new found sense of wonder and excitement.
  5. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    Yes but, it's because of moving your body causing more blood flow to the brain as well as your brain processing more blood to make sense of the environment. If you have herb in your blood that means more of an effect than sitting around in a less stimulating environment such as watching tv. If you have strong nerves from exercising and taking certain drinks like coffee or tea before puffing, you can hafe similar strong effects even though you are sedentary or just watching tv since strong nerves and dense muscle will allow blood to flow to the brain easily, as well as the drinks helping release adrenaline so you can process the herb faster which gives a strong feeling.
  6. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    I don't mean unfamiliar. But from say, vaping in a vehicle, and getting out to go disc golfing. That kind of change. Or being outside and stepping into your house.


    So maybe what luchiano is sayin..
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  7. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    Even if its familiar, you still need to know your environment. Its just easier for your brain once its familiar with it. When its a new environment, your brain needs more work to do the job which is why some can't be high and do something that is intensive for the brain. If they do, they feel more sober. Plus you are moving and that brings more blood to the brain as I explained in my previous post.
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  8. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    So i feel less high when im doing work? Or did i take that wrong?
  9. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    It depends. If it is strenuous on your system, you high will go away fast. If it is just a small form of stress, you may feel higher or just have a nice long high. It comes down to how much you have in your system, how strong your metabolism is, and how strong your nerves and muscles, are. As well as how much and what type of food is in your system.
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  10. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    Knowledge is power!
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  11. Snappo

    Snappo Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"

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    Although what you are suggesting is very subjective from person to person, the concept I think can be generalized overall. Transitioning from one setting to another is a process of adjustments involving physiological and mental processes together, all of which give bearing to our perceptions. Herb changes those underlying processes internally so that external stimuli takes on a novel significance and requires an altered skill-set, alerting in the viewer a metacognitive (self awareness of awareness) realization that tends to build upon itself, hence, the intensification cited in your original premise. I realize this just scratches at the surface of things, if that.
  12. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl 200% THC

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    This is what's called learned or situational tolerance. You feel the effects less when you stick to a routine and feel it more when you're in unfamiliar environments. Lots of stuff out there about people driving the same roads drunk and driving well but then terribly when on unfamiliar roads, or chronic pain patients that get sick from normal doses somewhere else.
  13. Jahannum

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    A friend of mine was high at work one day, during which he dropped a stack of eight glass racks(200 glasses in total). Was so loud that every manager in the restraunt and even the owner swarmed onto the scene. My friend went from extremely high to dead sober in about 2 minutes, I saw it myself.
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  14. Elluzion

    Elluzion Vapeosaurus Rex

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    Damn thats craZy. I dont doubt he sobered up quick. Wake up call!
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  15. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Cheapskate researcher 60's enthusiast.

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    I'm ready for tomorrow. Tomorrow I'm going to a family gathering, (yuck). But this time stoned.
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  16. goatgobaahh

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    I used to feel guilty about doing this, but no one in my family knows of my little secret!

    It's funny now because I can be ripped out of my mind and no one suspects anything. Now I enjoy getting baked before heading over.

    My family has been wonderful..they also have probably taken a few years off my life because being around them is stressful for me. After having moved out and living alone for 4 years. Walking into a house where PEOPLE TALK as loud as they SCREAM, and constantly fight and bicker.

    Mary Jane eases the burden and actually allows me to enjoy them more. Because I'm not instantly put off by their behavior and I find myself in a better mood overall!

    Vape on brother!
  17. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl 200% THC

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    I get a little anxious when I'm stoned and hanging out with people that drink a lot during holidays and in general. People getting drunk and stuff, I dunno I worry about how they'll feel later or if they'll drink too much. Really different compared to hanging out with my stoner friends and going to eat and the beach or play video games/cards/movies. I don't usually go to the big family gatherings ripped, maybe a few hits and my DART for a quick hit later.
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  18. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    I get vaped but not overload. I dont like being vaped around drunk people or around drunk people period. Especially when "im too high to be any fun" as they say, when im sober. So i dont have any sympathy if they drink too much. They know over doing is bad, yet they can't control themselves. Sorry, that's my rant. Drunk family member got me pissed off so i had to go hit my vaporgenie a few times and come on here and saw that. Phew, im done, sorry everyone!


    Edit. NOTHING against you Quetz.
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  19. Jeremy Driscoll

    Jeremy Driscoll Cheapskate researcher 60's enthusiast.

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    It's amazing and ironic. My family is the biggest notion of people against this perfect herb, yet they are the main reason I do it just to make it through the day being around them.

    My family doesn't smoke, Neither do they drink, They are completely boring. Also forever constantly preaching. YUCK.

    Christmas definitely must just be banned, asap, it is commercially a holiday that makes poor people feel bad for not being able to bring presents for their kids from santa, it is a holiday that lets people with little to none money spend like there is no tomorrow. It is a holiday where religions tangle and get into debates and arguments from other religions, hell, half the religions practiced today, are in festivities that originate from the very religions they themselves don't condone, nor tolerate.

    And I have never gotten anything I ever wanted for Christmas, ever.
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  20. Quetzalcoatl

    Quetzalcoatl 200% THC

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    Haven't drank in months :) I miss the taste of my IPA's more than the buzz. I don't care if people drink but when they get sloppy.
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  21. nopartofme

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    I agree with what you're saying in general, but I want to note that in the case of caffeine (coffee/tea), you're dealing with a vasoconstrictor (decreased blood flow in the brain).

    That could tie in with your point about blood flow if you think about regularly vaping with caffeine and then vaping without it. But if wondering about feeling higher when mixing with caffeine, blood flow isn't the answer.

    I'm not sure how "strong nerves" would be quantified or how that would factor exactly.
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  22. luchiano

    luchiano Well-Known Member

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    Caffeine lowers blood flow to specific areas in the brain more then others. This makes sense as it helps release adrenaline, and that deasl with attention on a specific thing. If you were in danger the last thing you need is to pay attention tomeveryhing around you. In the case of getting high, it speeds up metabolism which is needed to feel the effects of anything. This means you will have more substances entering he brain in the long run. This back and forth that goes on is why studies have shown a person can get more health benefits of riding a bike by going slow, then going fast, and repeating he process for just 6-10 mintues(HITT) then someone just running at a constamt rate for kuch longer, if all they do is cardio. The effects of high adrenaline doesn't last long, and eventually blood flow will be seen in more parts of the brain. This will really happen much quicker if you do some walking as this will help the brain go more into parasympathetic mode. Adrenaline deals with sympathetic mode and this is for a burst of quick energy. This is why a lot of people love clouds so much, it gets the high to come on quicker then a joint or low temp/less cloud vaping.

    Another thing is food. Once you drink caffeine, and it activates the sympathetic response, your brain will stay in that mode if you have no food in your stomach. In fact the response will be even stronger since hunger itself activates this. When you have a full stomach, especially with carbs, fat, and some protein, you will activate your parasympathetic nervous system and this deals with repairing he body, and dilating the blood vessels. This is something to consider when you read reports about caffeine and poor bloodflow to the brain. Did the eople eat food after drinking the coffee, as well as were they sedentary for most of the time after drinking the coffee?. When doing studies most, if not all, lay down to get images of the brain, and this alone will give a different picture of the brqin on caffeine then someone who is sitting up, let alone standing up. When you lay down, your brain has to dovery little work to keep the body stable,, so I can see why it looks like barely any blood is getting to the brain.

    As far as strong nerves, when a nerve is strong it is able to keep things going as well as hold onto neurotransmitters longer. These are what gives us a high. This is why resistamce training has been shown to train the nerves to hold onto dopamine much longer then a nerve that has had no training. You will also have more receptors for hormones and neurotransmitters, and that means a stronger effect. In the case of a changing environment, it means you will be able to process your surrounding faster, better, and retain your high. If the nerves are weak, any little stress will delete the high since the brqin will have to spend energy on focusing on whatefer is causing so much stress. If you are low in stored energy(GLYCOGEN) and the stress is too strong, and you have a lot of herb in your system, you will just pass out so the brain can reset itself to deal with the danger or stress.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181952/
    Caffeine is not considered addictive, and in animals it does not trigger metabolic increases or dopamine release in brain areas involved in reinforcement and reward. Our objective was to measure caffeine effects on cerebral perfusion in humans using single photon emission computed tomography, with a specific focus on areas of reinforcement and reward. Two groups of nonsmoking subjects were studied, one with a low (8 subjects) and one with a high (6 subjects) daily coffee consumption. The subjects ingested 3 mg/kg caffeine or placebo in a raspberry-tasting drink, and scans were performed 45 min after ingestion. A control group of 12 healthy volunteers receiving no drink was also studied. Caffeine consumption led to a generalized, statistically nonsignificant perfusion decrease of 6% to 8%, comparable in low and high consumers. Compared with controls, low consumers displayed neuronal activation bilaterally in inferior frontal gyrusanterior insular cortex and uncus, left internal parietal cortex, right lingual gyrus, and cerebellum. In high consumers, brain activation occurred bilaterally only in hypothalamus. Thus, on a background of widespread low-amplitude perfusion decrease, caffeine activates a few regions mainly involved in the control of vigilance, anxiety, and cardiovascular regulation, but does not affect areas involved in reinforcing and reward.

    Forgive the spelling errors. I'm typing on a mobile device and I hate this shit.
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  23. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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  24. Snappo

    Snappo Caveat Emptor - "A Billion People Can Be Wrong!"

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    Luchiano - Great post! Can you condense the meat of your explanation to just a few sentences as relates directly to the original question of this thread i.e., "Does a sudden environment change intensify a high?" Thanks for all your wonderful contributions to FC!!!
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  25. KidFated.

    KidFated. Illin it..

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    Agreed, Luchiano definitely made me glad i posted this thread
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