Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by Bluto, May 9, 2009.
Well it is worth a shot....try a small batch and let us know what happens.
Try which method with PEG-400? And where could one get PEG-400? Thanks.
Spotted this thread the other day, some guys over at TY are using cannabis acetate in their e-cigs:
Woah that looks to be the answer. I hope that is legit because I plan to try this.
I made a messy concoction today with VG, good quality trim, and shot worth of vodka(dripped in every so often). I goofed up a bit by adding a very small amount chocolate-coffee extract(oil to flavor or so I thought). It didn't really look right after boiling it for a few hours on a stove, so I drank some of it instead. It creeped in kind of good about an hour later, and lasted 4-5 good hours.
Took the rest I didn't ingest & mixed it w/ some tincture from a local shop in a dropper. I was for the most part sober, and after a couple of drops in the e-cig(joye 510) and 20 min of on &off vaping I am feeling good. Not sure if it was the mixture that did it or more was being digested or something.
I have been getting my peg-400 from totallywicked-eliquid.com
They have 60 ml bottles for around $7 I think. The price is reasonable. Glad to see you had decent results with the VG. I love vaping e-juice so I will be doing this sooner or later.
What are some of the differences between PEG-400, vs the more common PG, and VG? Does it offer any advantages over the other two for the material we are using?
Is there anywhere else, that may carry PEG-400, because I get the feeling that is a bit pricey for the how much you are getting.
I am just curious if anyone has used THC tincture suspended in food grade glycerin as a mixing agent for their E-liquids. I just ordered a kit today so that I could experiment. Does anyone have any experience with the use of these?
I've made tincture, but haven't vaped it...it was a saturated solution of BHO and VG, had to take a tablespoon to get high, so it wouldn't have been suitable.
I wonder about THC acetate, some way of getting it more potent - i read some posts about this recently.
I've got VG and PG and nic, and have vaping DIY for a couple months now. I'm waiting to hear someone I trust say they got vaked vaping on an e-cig tho, just having a hard time believing it could work.
Well I would think an even higher concentrate of tincture(3-4 to get you good, and has minimal oils in it) mixed with a VG, PG, or PEG-400 liquid that been boiled(3-6 hours) in kief or trim that could work, I think. Then maybe mix a couple of drops of flavored e-liquid if you don't like the taste. Kind of how I did it, but I won't fully know if that really works or not until Saturday.
There has to be a method that could work as 215 out in the Valley supposedly found a liquid that works.
I've tried mixing keif with VG and letting it sit for 2 weeks. Turned into some nice amber VG. Put a few drops under the tongue and it tasted like chronic candy. Didn't get a buzz. Tried filling a blank cartomizer and let it sit for half a day an then vaped for about 20 min. Didn't feel a thing.
Just my experience.
Tested and verified it works, for lightweights.
Nicotine is very powerful and little is needed susupended in VG or PG to get the job done (nicotine delivery) for smokers. TH is not, so your not gonna get a rip roarin SSV vape type hit effect from a puff of a TH e-cig, that simple.
But it works.
Things seem to dissolve easier in PEG-400. My chemistry days are far behind me so I can't even begin to explain why.
You can get PEG-400 in bulk. I buy it that way, but I am using it for my e-juice that I sell. If you want to buy it by the gallon then have at it. $7 for 60 ml was good for me before I started selling juice.
I think you need to boil the liquid with the materal in there for 4 hours or so for the TH to be fully absorbed by the VG. Trust me I had a shot glass worth of VG, mixed TH, a little amount of oil. and vodka. I took the shot after boiling it for a few hours and that really worked for me. Now I had a bit of this liquid left that I add a few drops tincture I bought to it, and did a light filtering to. Not sure if it really worked when I dropped in in the e-cig but it there is a good change it could have worked(not sure if it was that or what I drank hours before).
Okay I did more testing with the liquid I made and I noticed a few things. I either need to use more or strong stuff, and so far in the form I have it now just maybe good enough to keep you vaked longer. :/
The reason PEG400 USP is more expensive is because there are only a very few people that repackage it in smaller containers and very few companies produce it. The most common company is Dow. Also, companies have to order a whole tanker load and have it drummed up, rather where propylene glycol has many other manufacturing sources and better distribution. PEG 400 is a heavier grade of glycol. There is a site you can order it at: PEG400.com
Propylene Glycol comes in 2 forms. The most common one is a vegetable based. Vegetable based means the glycerol that was used to produce the propylene glycol was a by product of a vegetable based product (soybeans or a biodeisel vegetable based product) rather then from chicken fat or animal lard.
Always make sure your Propylene Glycol is labeled USP. This grade is safe for consumption. Also, as a double check, make sure to buy a Kosher grade. The bottle should have a OU copyright stamp. This looks like a U with a circle around it. This means it has been blessed by a rabbi and it is safe for food consumption. There is a lot of folks selling PG out there that are repackaging it and are not conforming to USP packaging requirements. The kosher certificate must match the bottle label and not a 3rd party reference. This will ensure you are dealing with a company that knows what they are doing!
Im not aware of any PEG 400 USP kosher grade products only PEG 400 USP packaged.
well, after working on this for months and trying it over an extended period of time, making a very potent VG and not getting good enough results from using it in my various e cigs, I decided it was better used under my tongue. Good luck to y'all, I am going back to using only pure concentrates in my e cigs and nothing mixed in VG/PG liquid.
Have lurked this thread for months and think I've found something that works, please give advice, I’m trying to decide if I should buy this Liquidizer extractor and ecig combo, http://www.liquidizer.com and I’ve never used butane before and would love to vape my own tobacco and herb extract in an ecig. Google doesn’t help much and this thread is the best info I’ve found so far. Appreciate your help.
As a DART owner and an e-cig user I have also been looking for a way to combine the two. I'm wondering if part of the problem with trying to use tincture in an e-cig is temperature. Going by other treads if you try e-liquid in the TV DART/Revolution it will burn it as it operates at a higher temperature the TV AVA. So maybe if you are using an e-cig type atomizer it is not getting hot enough to vaporize the oil and is only boiling off the PG/Vg leaving the oil behind. Also as previously mentioned in this thread the concentration of oil to carrier means you have to vape a lot of liquid to get a small amount of oil making it inefficient even if it is being vaporized. Possibly with a Volcano, stage vaporizer or something similar you could get enough output to make it work. But that kind of defeats the portable e-cig. I have tried my DART on an E-Go twist (variable voltage battery) and it works great. Looks just like a regular e-cig. I have the Ultra battery but it tends to attract attention in public.
This is a very interesting concept. Why not up the BHO?
Anyone try D-Lemonene BHO in an an e cig yet? BHO is more soluble in Lemonene than PG or VG so can use less and has good orange flavor imo(only tried with dabs as vapor point is in the 400's F).
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