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Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by divinetribe, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    SOLD!!

    So lemme see if I got this straight. A watts only mod requires a bit of technique but TC mod you set at an ideal temp and it hits and hits and hits without worry of frying the donut and needn't be pulsed?

    It sounds like your saying that wax can actually be vaped vs combusted. I had no idea oil is actually combusted. So vape pens like Kurvana are actually combusting but a TC mod w this ceramic donut atty will actually vaporize? I'm all about flavor so it sounds like a TC mod w this atty is what I really need

    And could comment on how and why mod vaping is so much better than top of line new wax pens.
     
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  2. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Yes, now you're getting it Volteric!

    Pulsing the fire button with great skill on a VW mod setup, it is possible to get good vape, but you must modulate.

    A temp control mod gets feedback from your atomizer multiple times per second when you're pressing the button, and adjusts the wattage output based on that feedback much quicker than any person pressing a button possibly can.

    This is a simulation of the watts ouptut of my evic VTC @ 25w on TC-TCR mode on a 10 second hit: watts displayed each second

    25 - 17 - 12 - 12 -11 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 8- 9

    In reality, it's actually modulating the watts output much more rapidly than that, but that is just what the display shows you as you are puffing.

    As you can see, the first 2 or 3 seconds has a higher wattage output, but it is rapidly scaled back as the mod receives the feedback that the donut is heating up quickly as the resistance rises. You can't change the watts 100 times while you press the button in a 10 second period while using VW mode. In TC mode you can; it just takes one button press.

    This allows my donut to heat up almost instantly, but a good mod like the evic VTC has a good CPU that can react to this very quickly and make the wattage lower after the donut has reached its set temperature, to avoid combustion or over-heating.

    With 12w VW, you are waiting longer for your donut to heat up, then struggling to manage that excess heat once it has warmed up. You can't match this TC performance with VW only.



    Any atomizer for concentrates that does not

    • use a known, consistent wire material such as titanium, nickle, or stainless steel
    • have sub-ohm resistance
    Cannot work in temp control, and it is combusting your material, to some degree. If you set the watts lower to avoid any combustion at all, then you're barely vaping anything at all or getting any clouds. If you have the watts higher to get good vape clouds, you are surely combusting some of your oil after the little wire coil has heated up, which is very quick., almost instant.

    There are only a few other concentrate atomizers I know of that will work on temp control mode. w9tech and source have some donuts and ceramic/quartz rod atomizers that seem like they should work on temp control mods as well. I have not used these other ones. They seem airflow limited compared to DT 2.5. I bet they would work fairly well but I see no reason to try them out. Especially with the DT 3.0 around the corner.
     
  3. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    Dayum-that's an answer! I'm learning so much!

    I'm really liking the way the Pico looks and white would look nice with my DT 2.7.

    So, sorry to press you on this question but could you comment on specific how and why mod vaping is so much better than top of line new wax pens like the newest source orb w ceramic atty or dr dabber aurora (?)

    Also is ceramic superior to titanium coils and the like? Why exactly. my experience so far w the DT 2.7 is that the hits are much cooler and much cleaner taste.
     
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  4. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Wow someone is actually reading my long essays / opinionated vapor rants? :rant:Our friend OF could also go on and on about the merits of TC, but I'm trying to keep the language a bit more user-friendly ;)

    The pico is a nice mod for sure. It's vape performance is almost top-notch. I think the evic VTC and cuboid has a slight edge on the precision of its temp control, but maybe that's just me feeling something that's not there when it's really equal.

    Box mods (TC mods) are better than "wax pens" because they can measure data rapidly and accurately from your atomizer and respond to those inputs accordingly.

    Most importantly, they measure atomizer resistance, both the base resistance when cold and the operating resistance when warmed up. That is actually the only data that your mod can collect from your atomizer. It's not really measuring the real temperature like a thermometer does, but based on lots of math, algorithms, and known properties of certain metal types, it can determine to a pretty close degree how hot it is making your wire based on how much the coil resistance has changed when you are powering it.

    For a conductor material (coil wire), the resistance (ohms) will always rise when it more and more electricity flows through it.

    For our DT donuts, the magical "resistance rise" is about 0.3-0.35 ohms over cold. We were discussing this a bunch a few pages back. This may be a bit too much, too vape-nerdish for some, but that's how these TC mods actually work.

    Any "vape pen" is like comparing a dumb-phone to a smart phone. Almost none of them can measure atomizer resistance, and there's only one that does TC, but not well. It just throws a fixed wattage setting at your atomizer and can't modulate it in real time. If it's throwing enough fixed watts to vape your oil, it will always burn your oil if you hold the button long enough.

    As for materials, ceramic is one of the best materials for use in almost any vaporizer, next to glass and quartz. But the ceramic material is not actually conductive to electricity. There is a nichrome wire inside that donut that actually handles the wattage and gets hot, and it passes that heat to the donut. The donut passes the heat to your oil, without the oil having to touch the nichrome wire directly. This is what provides the even, clean tasting, pure vapor. Your quartz rods wrapped with titanium wire can do temp control, but your oil is touching the wire directly, and this is un-necessarily harsh on your oil, even if it does not necessarily combust it.

    Titanium as a material for the coil wire is also a fine choice for atomizers. I just don't want my oil touching the wire. I think Matt's old v2.0 and v1 ceramic donuts had titanium wires but he changed them.

    FWIW, Matt's donuts could probably have quartz donuts instead of ceramic, and it would probably work pretty well, if everything else was equal.
     
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  5. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    Hand over fist. Bow.

    I assume all that means is wonderfully is less combustion ergo more flavorful hits ?
     
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  6. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    // reciprocates bow

    Yes, I think the DT donut on one of the better TC box mods, running with the correct settings, can avoid combustion 99%+

    Just to be fair, there seems to be a few other atomizers out there that can work on temp control, and avoid combusting your oil. But they seem to deliver less flavor (coil wrapped rods) or less airflow (other competing donuts)

    Volteric, it's getting late. So that this is not a non-stop 2 way dialouge, I will load up a couple of my donuts from my fleet with some indica, and enjoy some idiot proof puffs and retire. Many more vape projects and stuff to talk about tomorrow...

    ;)
     
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  7. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    And so if I end up with the Pico would you be so kind as to tell me what settings exactly you'd recommend w the 2.7 and why? Thank you.
     
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  8. FlimsyKnuckle

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    Ok. I want one. Probably wait for the 3.0 but this thread has sold me.
     
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  9. StickyShisha

    StickyShisha Well-Known Member

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    same here, i just ordered one (pink)
     
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  10. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    Even watt only mode on a mod is way superior to wax pens, but it sounds like temp control is superior to that so I'll be getting temp control mod asap.
     
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  11. mrbonsai420

    mrbonsai420 I love Grass and Glass!

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    OK @KeroZen I got my forst of 2 VTC Vtwo's in!! This is my first programmable mod! OK, I am pretty tech savvy but how the hell do I set this thing up for DT atty's exactly? hell I can't figure out how to turn it to Fahrenheit lol!

    Edit, ok got that part. So what do I set this thing to? Ti?
     
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  12. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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    Tc-Ni anywhere from 290-350 for cool to hot vape

    Not Ti

    Or try TCR mode :enter 245 or something in that range, 380 or 390F

    This will do the same thing as tc-NI but the numbers you see will be slightly more accurate

    Set the max watts to 12 for the factory-approved, slow, even warm up time, or 25, 20, 18, whatever reasonably higher watt figure, for a quicker donut warm up time and fatter piffs

    From my experience, max watts on temp control higher than 25 results in a less even, more fluctuating, vapor stream and temperature swing. 12w TC, otoh, will be a more steady, stable vapor stream and temp, but takes up to 4 seconds to reach temp.
     
  13. Steven

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    I have been pretty busy but have been anxiously waiting for the v3 donut. On that note, I gotta give the 2.5 bases some mighty worthy praise. Ime the dt 2.5 base is hands down the longest lasting non rebuildable atty out there. I have a base going on strong pass 5 months so far with no signs of any degradation. Hell, the resistance has remained the same since the day it arrived also. It's wierd, sometimes it actually lowers, But eventually comes back to the original resistance. Also my donut is still white as new after cleaning. It's also noteworthy that this is my main go to atty I use everyday. I have a few others but this one takes at least 10 bb sized loads a day. I have been using this on the wismec presa tc 75w on tcr 245 at 420F at 12.5w. I use 10w in Wattage mode to clean the donut. If anybody is on the fence on this atty, let this push u off and buy this thing. Learn how to use it in tc mode and learn how to clean it properly and this atty will serve you for months. At this rate I can see this thing go pass another 5 months. [​IMG]

    Edit
    I clean this atty about 2-3 times a day. Only takes me a few minutes each time. It looks like the picture after every cleaning
     
  14. mrbonsai420

    mrbonsai420 I love Grass and Glass!

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    Wow, This VTC mini is the TITS! I love this thing. Smooth ass hits at 320 that I have never had off of a pen and I have been using these atty's for months. The TC mod beats the shit out of the VW mods I have been using. And the bad ass little clock is a nice touch ;) I used a LG HG2 3000mah 20a battery in it.
    Can I raise the protection time above 10 seconds? Sometimes I like to take 20 second draws.
     
  15. Steven

    Steven Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, no. All these mods are meant for ecig users and the 10 second cut-off is a safety feature geared towards the ecig market. There aren't any ecig users that will take a 10 second rip. Being able to change the 10 seconds cut-off is an old feature that I do not know exists any more. Oh the old robox days...
     
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  16. KeroZen

    KeroZen Chronic vapaholic

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    Yeah gotta let the trigger go before the error message then push it again. Will soon be a second nature don't worry.
     
  17. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    How exactly are you cleaning this?
     
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  18. Vape Donkey 650

    Vape Donkey 650 All vape, no smoke please.

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  19. Volteric

    Volteric Well-Known Member

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    Why aren't more people using a DT atty with mod?
     
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  20. FlimsyKnuckle

    FlimsyKnuckle Member

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    Because they are a small company. How do you advertise this type of product cheaply and effectively?
     
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  21. Steven

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    I clean my donut pretty similar to Matt. I actually use a small sewing needle or one of those needles with the ball on the end used in sewing. You never need to scrape the actual donut to get it white. If you look at the donut, u can see that it is not perfectly centered. There will always be a side where one of the leads go in that will have some space.

    So in 10w in Wattage mode I flip the atty upside down and fire away. While firing away I am scraping the cup in that gap. The scraping is meant for agitating the oil to flow out so less heat is needed. Also sometimes oil gets stuck at the crevice of the cup. Do not let the donut glow for long at all. Once it's red I let go of power and scrape for few seconds while the atty is hot then I power it up to a glow and back of, repeat. All done while scraping cup and wiping away with q tip. If I suspect oil has gotten inside the atty I keep the atty upside down while it's still warm and swirl around the top portion of the ceramic cup with alcohol soaked q tips. I do this until the quips don't turn brown anymore. Sometimes it takes 3-4 quips.

    I do a full iso soak maybe once a month. I never had any issues with doing this.
     
  22. PoopMachine

    PoopMachine Well-Known Member

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    Bought the bundle from Matt for $50.00. Ill probably get another mod box in a few weeks but I wanted to start off with the setup he recommended to get acclimated to his products.

    if you have a pen, throw it in a garbage and buy one of his setups. You'll thank me later.

    What a fantastic product. For concentrate consumption in a portable form, this is the best thing Ive ever seen. Hate I just bought a Omicron V4 earlier this week because I dont think Ill ever use it again after getting the stuff from Matt.

    The Dr Dabber Budder Cutter makes loading his deep bases a breeze, BTW. Love that thing now that Ive figured out how to use it to load pens.
     
  23. lomein07

    lomein07 Member

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    Thank you for all this great info. TC mods seem complicated at first but you break it down into understandable chunks.

    The only part I haven't figured out yet is how to choose the correct custom TCR value, and why you would want to use TCR mode. Also, how important is it that your TCR is accurately selected.
     
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  24. Melting Pot

    Melting Pot Sick & Twisted

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    Can anyone help where do i order?
    Is there FC code
    Is there a newer model coming out.
    I'm new to tc mod box i want to try herb cart & oil
    Do they come in black
    TIA
     
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  25. divinetribe

    divinetribe We are trying our hardest to become Medical Grade Manufacturer

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    hi guys,, my reasons are simple, I am in this for the long haul. the v3 is not the endgame, neither was the iphone 3, i am happy where i am in life, money comes and money goes.

    few things about the v3, it will be 3 sizes, and have a additional dry herb attachment.. I am going to patent it. It's going to cost more but i will have a wholesale deal for all FC users and past customers but I will need to charge more so I can pay for things to expand and get these out.
    my biggest gripe about pre v3 was the glue that fastens the ceramic to the metal base and that it is not rebuildable that is why I left tthe v2.5/7 open source to see if anyone would of built off that design.

    I am ready to off gas test the v3, once i do I am going to be 100% behind it, i used the 2.5 and 2.7 daily until i got this last proto v3. I am hoping for july 10 for the v3-L. it always takes longer , they give me timelines and break them but it's always for a good reason in the end ..

    you can sign up early for a email announcement with link to buy the v3 for a discount once it is released www.ineedhemp.com not sure what i am going to charge but the wholesale cost is what FC people will be getting it for I want to really hook up the community that has gotten me here., the retail on my site will be double or more that price so when you go to sell and they look up my site our prices will match. I hope this inspires more people to sell my product and get it out there, right now my wholesale is so close to my retail it gives no incentive for anyone to sell. I need to raise the retail price to create this room. I will also offer my longtime fans on here opportunities if they desire. by keeping my prices low for the last couple years i was able to create a brand that is trusted by the market which I think is important.



    https://www.medicaljane.com/2014/07...future-of-terpene-rich-cannabis-concentrates/
    Does anyone ever get high terpene concentrates? feel free to share some pics, if you want to know what i use , I like to post pics of it on instagram. some Kosher Kush on my IG account. Terpsugar
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BGKYrRQwbFQ/?taken-by=divinetribe
     
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