Quartz Quest new prototype mouthpiece in 18mm male, 14mm male will be available also. keeping my fingers crossed they will be able to produce these in large amounts
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looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
Quartz Quest new prototype mouthpiece in 18mm male, 14mm male will be available also. keeping my fingers crossed they will be able to produce these in large amounts
how long?
OF
Well-Known Member
how long?
Hopefully 'forever'......well at least as we need them.....
Fun reflection in the photo, makes it look like there are two inlet tubes.
I'm on the list for the 14mm version, OK no list, but I plan to get in line as soon as I can....
OF
Vape Donkey 650
All vape, no smoke please.
@fernand, nice to see you around again! To your earlier question, even though you'll find out for yourself soon, the outer / inner diameter of the quartz cup is about 11 / 9mm more or less.
But if your implicit intent is to take some of these spare quartz crucibles from the QQ (which you can buy cheap replacements of) and rig them up in various RDAs or other attys, I don't think you'll find any other ready-applications for the DT quartz cup.
It's a fairly tall, narrow cup, and there are no RDAs (that I know of) that will fit it AND allow for meaningful airflow to flow in and out of the cup.
Part of the reason it's tall is because of the fairly thick floor, and also the space for the dual tunnels that accommodate the ceramic rods (or small metal coils) to heat the cup, which make up about half the height of the cup.
That doesn't matter too much, because the QQ works pretty damn well as-is, and you seemed to have picked a nice time to get in on this with possible hydratube attachments on the horizon too?
I've always thought your little mouse-tea-cup ceramic crucible mod for the V2.5 / 2.7 was pretty cool. It seems like the position of the top air inlets relative to your short cups that sit on top of the small donut is critical to it's effectiveness. I was about to buy some little ceramic cups and try it out myself if I didn't see the QQ coming over-the-horizon over the past couple of years.
I'm surprised you're joining us this late to QQ with us?
Where have you been man? Someone has to be around to warn us of the dangers of fake terps
haha
Wow, OF, your eyes do not deceive you, there is no reflection. That is indeed dual airflow tubes on Matt's prototype there! I sure hope they will be able to make tons of those and that they'll be made solidly as well.
With dual tubes blowing into our quartz cup at opposite directions AND a larger diameter 14mm or 18mm outlet, this can be a serious game changer, force-multiplier for our QQs!
This should allow the user to naturally draw more air into the cup with less restriction for more vapor production, and a larger diameter outlet can help with that too!
Even better, (speculatively)
having the 2 airflow tubes coming in at opposed, balanced angles like that can possibly help with the potential problem of oil spilling out of the cup in 2 ways:
Hey...so what appears to have happened here? First off, your QQ was locked in @ 0.26, cool, at first (sounds reasonable) BUT you are also using this (eleaf invoke?) mod with other attys, and you still don't have AF installed, which lets you do the profiles which always save the atomizer Ω that you lock in unless you specifically change it?
AND, with your QQ getting good use, crusted up, vapor condensation accumulates, a little bit o' hot oil spillin' over the cup onto the screws and wire leads on occasion, (it happens to the best of us) as well as the gold 510-pin on the bottom needing to be tightened / adjusted sometimes...some of those things can make your mod measure the Ω on your QQ higher than it originally did, even when fully cool, even if you re-tighten all the screws. Unless you overpower or abuse your ceramic rods too much to compromise them, however, the "true" or "real" Ω of your QQ's ceramic rods really is lower than it your mod is measuring it when it's dirty or having bad contact like that. Could be from bad contact from oil on your leads, or the 510 screw likely.
So....if you don't significantly compensate the settings on your mod (to be lower) when your mod erroneously measures the locked-in Ω on your QQ's coil to be higher (or for almost any atty in TC mode operation) then the mod will deliver a higher voltage than needed / intended to reach the coil temperatures you want... For a coil locked in @ 0.26 Ω, with the same TCR / watts / temp combo that works good for you, put those settings on the exact same atomizer locked in inaccurately @ 0.29Ω, it will produce MUCH hotter vapor! 
Probably much hotter than you want. Your locked-in (operating) coil being off as little as 0.02-0.03 Ω can be a big difference.
All of this is much more reason to use AF or myevic on mods that support this software! With the atomizer profiles and manual control over your locked-in atomizer Ω value, (and the ability to monitor "live resistance") these accidental-overheating events from having the measured (live) resistance go higher, or from switching different atomizers on the same mod can be pretty much eliminated!
For example, when I was using my QQ on an invoke with AF, it would be locked in around 0.24Ω, and I could always see the "live" coil Ω when it's chillin. So when it started reading 0.26, 0.28 or higher when cool, this would be an indicator to clean it or tighten the connections.
BUT, by firing the atty with a coil locked @ 0.24, even though it "wanted" to measure at a base of 0.28 or so, when my coils reached "protection" the TC operation would limit the watts to 0.5w for short periods of time because the observed coil Ω at operating temp would be too high and unreliable for the mod to read and calculate, (due to the bad connection on the leads or 510 pin somewhere) And then during the same button-press cycle, the watts go back to max watts, reach protection, then 0.5w, cycles again, etc. So the QQ will "work" but it will limit the coils from overheating with the bad Ω reading until you manually re-set the base coil Ω or clean your contacts to get a good low Ω reading again.... ramble...does that make sense?
With the stock software, by taking your coils that are "truly" 0.26 and treating them like 0.29 Ω, as it reads them, it sets a target Ω goal for "temp protection" that is too high if you stay with the same TCR and temp # that you're used to. AF gives you some guardrails with that problem
Try not to let too much oil collect on the glass cap and around the o-rings too, as you found out, it will harden up on you when it cools and can cause an accident.
All that reclaim can end up dribbling on the wire leads too, which need to stay somewhat clean for a good Ω reading. IDK what counts for "heavy use" but I use mine maybe 1-3 times a day, and I think I can get about 20-30 loads / sessions before an excessive amount of oil builds up inside my glass cap that it starts to make things too sticky and gets too cloudy to see the vapor, so I soak it clean in iso every few days, a week or so. Trying to keep on using a sticky glass cap without wiping or soaking it will give you problems eventually.
dam...another TC monologue haha
But if your implicit intent is to take some of these spare quartz crucibles from the QQ (which you can buy cheap replacements of) and rig them up in various RDAs or other attys, I don't think you'll find any other ready-applications for the DT quartz cup.
It's a fairly tall, narrow cup, and there are no RDAs (that I know of) that will fit it AND allow for meaningful airflow to flow in and out of the cup. Part of the reason it's tall is because of the fairly thick floor, and also the space for the dual tunnels that accommodate the ceramic rods (or small metal coils) to heat the cup, which make up about half the height of the cup.That doesn't matter too much, because the QQ works pretty damn well as-is, and you seemed to have picked a nice time to get in on this with possible hydratube attachments on the horizon too?
I've always thought your little mouse-tea-cup ceramic crucible mod for the V2.5 / 2.7 was pretty cool. It seems like the position of the top air inlets relative to your short cups that sit on top of the small donut is critical to it's effectiveness. I was about to buy some little ceramic cups and try it out myself if I didn't see the QQ coming over-the-horizon over the past couple of years.
I'm surprised you're joining us this late to QQ with us?Where have you been man? Someone has to be around to warn us of the dangers of fake terps
hahaQuartz Quest new prototype mouthpiece in 18mm male, 14mm male will be available also. keeping my fingers crossed they will be able to produce these in large amounts
Wow, OF, your eyes do not deceive you, there is no reflection. That is indeed dual airflow tubes on Matt's prototype there! I sure hope they will be able to make tons of those and that they'll be made solidly as well.
With dual tubes blowing into our quartz cup at opposite directions AND a larger diameter 14mm or 18mm outlet, this can be a serious game changer, force-multiplier for our QQs!
This should allow the user to naturally draw more air into the cup with less restriction for more vapor production, and a larger diameter outlet can help with that too!
Even better, (speculatively)
having the 2 airflow tubes coming in at opposed, balanced angles like that can possibly help with the potential problem of oil spilling out of the cup in 2 ways:- doubling the airflow will make the draw less restrictive, lessening the temptation for newbs or QQ vets alike to draw too hard on a swirling cup, making the hot oil spill over
- the 2 criss-crossed tubes can actually act as a semi-splash guard themselves, fitting tight over the top of the cup like the tubes on our current glass caps. Many small blobs and splatters of potentially-splashing oil can contact the underside of the air tubes and be blocked from exiting the cup (an early dual-tube prototype cap I had did that for me, with blocking oil, but not vapor from exiting)
cool man
So won't worry so much about AF on the unit I use the QQ on.
Had a weird event last night with the QQ, I loaded it, fired and while it was reading 510F (normal temp for the TCR setting of 310) which was normally enough to get the rods pink, but not red. Bucket bubbled nicely there. I noticed the vapor was MUCH hotter than normal and looked at the bucket and it was blackened! Couldn't figure it out, fired it again and looked at the rods and they were glowing red
I dropped the temp down to 380F, and cleaned it again with q-tip and everlear.
One thing to note here, the bucket moves enough from rubbing the alcohol wet q-tip inside to clean it that it can twist slightly and rock slightly, enough to stress the wires, so check them if you get a weird response or reading.
QQ is currently showing .31 pulled it, re-installed it, same... it used to be .26. A wee bit baffled, unless the extra oil is now in the wire post contact points?
I'm wondering if I should drop the whole assembly in alcohol for a good soak, while I'd been using the 'burn-off'/shake routine, the previous learning curve overloading the bucket prolly has stuff in the cracks. Should be no problem doing that, no? @divinetribe Matt?
(update, I checked it again cold, .29, but had an atomizer short message, wiggled the bucket a bit (watching the leads to the rods) and got it back, but shifted up to 490F to get the rods pink)
Pisser of the night was swapping the mouthpiece with everclear and trying to get some stuff that accumulated around the base of the air feed, it snapped off there
Hey...so what appears to have happened here? First off, your QQ was locked in @ 0.26, cool, at first (sounds reasonable) BUT you are also using this (eleaf invoke?) mod with other attys, and you still don't have AF installed, which lets you do the profiles which always save the atomizer Ω that you lock in unless you specifically change it?
AND, with your QQ getting good use, crusted up, vapor condensation accumulates, a little bit o' hot oil spillin' over the cup onto the screws and wire leads on occasion, (it happens to the best of us) as well as the gold 510-pin on the bottom needing to be tightened / adjusted sometimes...some of those things can make your mod measure the Ω on your QQ higher than it originally did, even when fully cool, even if you re-tighten all the screws. Unless you overpower or abuse your ceramic rods too much to compromise them, however, the "true" or "real" Ω of your QQ's ceramic rods really is lower than it your mod is measuring it when it's dirty or having bad contact like that. Could be from bad contact from oil on your leads, or the 510 screw likely.
So....if you don't significantly compensate the settings on your mod (to be lower) when your mod erroneously measures the locked-in Ω on your QQ's coil to be higher (or for almost any atty in TC mode operation) then the mod will deliver a higher voltage than needed / intended to reach the coil temperatures you want... For a coil locked in @ 0.26 Ω, with the same TCR / watts / temp combo that works good for you, put those settings on the exact same atomizer locked in inaccurately @ 0.29Ω, it will produce MUCH hotter vapor!
Probably much hotter than you want. Your locked-in (operating) coil being off as little as 0.02-0.03 Ω can be a big difference. All of this is much more reason to use AF or myevic on mods that support this software! With the atomizer profiles and manual control over your locked-in atomizer Ω value, (and the ability to monitor "live resistance") these accidental-overheating events from having the measured (live) resistance go higher, or from switching different atomizers on the same mod can be pretty much eliminated!
For example, when I was using my QQ on an invoke with AF, it would be locked in around 0.24Ω, and I could always see the "live" coil Ω when it's chillin. So when it started reading 0.26, 0.28 or higher when cool, this would be an indicator to clean it or tighten the connections.
BUT, by firing the atty with a coil locked @ 0.24, even though it "wanted" to measure at a base of 0.28 or so, when my coils reached "protection" the TC operation would limit the watts to 0.5w for short periods of time because the observed coil Ω at operating temp would be too high and unreliable for the mod to read and calculate, (due to the bad connection on the leads or 510 pin somewhere) And then during the same button-press cycle, the watts go back to max watts, reach protection, then 0.5w, cycles again, etc. So the QQ will "work" but it will limit the coils from overheating with the bad Ω reading until you manually re-set the base coil Ω or clean your contacts to get a good low Ω reading again.... ramble...does that make sense?
With the stock software, by taking your coils that are "truly" 0.26 and treating them like 0.29 Ω, as it reads them, it sets a target Ω goal for "temp protection" that is too high if you stay with the same TCR and temp # that you're used to. AF gives you some guardrails with that problem
Try not to let too much oil collect on the glass cap and around the o-rings too, as you found out, it will harden up on you when it cools and can cause an accident.
All that reclaim can end up dribbling on the wire leads too, which need to stay somewhat clean for a good Ω reading. IDK what counts for "heavy use" but I use mine maybe 1-3 times a day, and I think I can get about 20-30 loads / sessions before an excessive amount of oil builds up inside my glass cap that it starts to make things too sticky and gets too cloudy to see the vapor, so I soak it clean in iso every few days, a week or so. Trying to keep on using a sticky glass cap without wiping or soaking it will give you problems eventually. dam...another TC monologue haha
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looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
yeah, I've been trying to practice a different technique when using the QQ to keep it from splashing inside the mouthpiece. I'm definitely NOT overloading it, but pulling on it the way you do the v3 or the rebuildable tanks will still make it splash. practice in the mirror a little bit
I'm still using the QQ on the VTwin Mini, the Invoke is dedicated to the Smok RBA you built for me
I'll replace one of the Mini's with another Invoke in the not too distant future.
Right now, fighting to see docs about the crippling side effects from the damn chemo
(they don't get the urgency of each step you take being agony)
When I come up for air, I'll pester someone to borrow the Windows machine and install AF on everything.
I'm still using the QQ on the VTwin Mini, the Invoke is dedicated to the Smok RBA you built for me
I'll replace one of the Mini's with another Invoke in the not too distant future.
Right now, fighting to see docs about the crippling side effects from the damn chemo
(they don't get the urgency of each step you take being agony)
When I come up for air, I'll pester someone to borrow the Windows machine and install AF on everything.
fernand
Well-Known Member
Yes, yes, yes. So glad we can share in this arrival. It came, it vaped, it conquered. For now, two words: right on.
Settings as verified with reasonably well calibrated IR thermometer
TCR M3 = 230
Ramp up watts: 25
Set Target temp: 320, 330.
Measured temps in cup: 320-365 deg F.
Water tool interface: ye rubber hose.
This gets us vapor with boiling points up to D-Limonene and P-Cymene - we're picking off the low temp important stuff and (mostly) leaving out the more sedating high temp fractions that include CBN and Linalool etc. This chart does not show all the terpenes we know about nowadays. Gotta make a new chart.
A wakey vape made in heaven. Just have to keep re-engaging the power button to work around the 10 second timeout. There's no burned anything, even if you keep power on, because temp control is stable. Just a residue film to mop up containing the high temp fractions and some leftover plant waxes etc. Quartz Quest is Working great.
Settings as verified with reasonably well calibrated IR thermometer
TCR M3 = 230
Ramp up watts: 25
Set Target temp: 320, 330.
Measured temps in cup: 320-365 deg F.
Water tool interface: ye rubber hose.
This gets us vapor with boiling points up to D-Limonene and P-Cymene - we're picking off the low temp important stuff and (mostly) leaving out the more sedating high temp fractions that include CBN and Linalool etc. This chart does not show all the terpenes we know about nowadays. Gotta make a new chart.
A wakey vape made in heaven. Just have to keep re-engaging the power button to work around the 10 second timeout. There's no burned anything, even if you keep power on, because temp control is stable. Just a residue film to mop up containing the high temp fractions and some leftover plant waxes etc. Quartz Quest is Working great.
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looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
@fernand Glad that's working a little better.
Concerned you're using rubber hose to connect to the water tool,
just bite the bullet and get some silicone like @Vape Donkey 650 uses
DAMN that's squeaky clean
Concerned you're using rubber hose to connect to the water tool,
just bite the bullet and get some silicone like @Vape Donkey 650 uses
DAMN that's squeaky clean
Yes, yes, yes. So glad we can share in this arrival. It came, it vaped, it conquered. For now, two words: right on.
Settings as verified with reasonably well calibrated IR thermometer
TCR M3 = 230
Ramp up watts: 25
Set Target temp: 320, 330.
Measured temps in cup: 320-365 deg F.
Water tool interface: ye rubber hose.
This gets us vapor with boiling points up to D-Limonene and P-Cymene - we're picking off the low temp important stuff and (mostly) leaving out the more sedating high temp fractions that include CBN and Linalool etc. This chart does not show all the terpenes we know about nowadays. Gotta make a new chart.
A wakey vape made in heaven. Just have to keep re-engaging the power button to work around the 10 second timeout. There's no burned anything, even if you keep power on, because temp control is stable. Just a residue film to mop up containing the high temp fractions and some leftover plant waxes etc. Quartz Quest is Working great.
fernand
Well-Known Member
Squeaky clean @looney2nz ... as in bong porn. It's all in the lighting.
And Iso. I have silicone, and latex, and who knows what these restraints,
I mean catheters, are made of ;-)
My silicone is a little tight and I don't want to have an accident, like
where you're trying to get the rubber on the head ... and either crack it
or drop it.
This stuff here was good enough for the first date. I think it's GMO free
and organic. Like the Terps that are SO everywhere now. I just got some
GG#4 that works and feels like GG but, man, that flavor is SO Disneyland.
If we can't join 'em, at least we can beat 'em. Terps are more affordable and
a LOT of profiles have been published, so it's an interesting experimental
field. And the Recs are willing guinea pigs, they eat that "no additives" crap
right up. Right. 15% air freshener and spice ... terpenes. 100% Natural.
You're right, dear @Vape Donkey 650, the resistance diffs our little brainy
batteries rely on to derive temperature are less than what a loosening screw
will do. We've all had that WOW puff when the system resets! Get that with
some oil in the pan and you be smoking that bacon!
One of the important details, and there are sssSO many, is not to ramp up
so fast you decouple from the load, 'cause then 1) the load isn't keeping up
with the heaters, i.e. the temp in the cup lags, and 2) you're hunting and
overshooting enough to do damage. At 50W it's way too fast for me. At 25W
so far she's like greasing onto the runway, but we'll see.
Personally I like this as a muzzle-loader. Same as my ceramic cups. And yes,
you're right, the thing that the ceramic cups require is air coming in from above.
The Quartz Quest solves so many issues. GREAT WORK, Matt @divinetribe !!!
OK, must clean up after every load. Swabbing the quartz is easier than
removing and torching a removable cup. Even the nail nubies are learning to
keep their torched quartz sparkly. So the QQ looks absolutely great to me.
If oil starts building up, it gets into contacts, and the whole stable temp control
is headed off the tracks. Matt tells it like it is: wipe after you're done.
And if y'all weren't so set on overloading and then blowing 80% of the vapor
out into the Mother Primeval, things would go smoother ;-) Just sayin'
So tell me about this AF. I took a multi-year break, and the gear I had, the
eVic-VTC-Mini (that has taken so many crashes and surgeries, not covered
by AppleCare), and the iStick Pico, still working fine for nicotine. They're
also looking fine for 710 duty. Anything come out that's much better?
Or is there new firmware that offers more fail-safes, or a smarter PID or what?
I'd tried an update on one of them, it hid the resistance reading, and then it
took some work to revert to 1.0 ;-)
And Iso. I have silicone, and latex, and who knows what these restraints,
I mean catheters, are made of ;-)
My silicone is a little tight and I don't want to have an accident, like
where you're trying to get the rubber on the head ... and either crack it
or drop it.
This stuff here was good enough for the first date. I think it's GMO free
and organic. Like the Terps that are SO everywhere now. I just got some
GG#4 that works and feels like GG but, man, that flavor is SO Disneyland.
If we can't join 'em, at least we can beat 'em. Terps are more affordable and
a LOT of profiles have been published, so it's an interesting experimental
field. And the Recs are willing guinea pigs, they eat that "no additives" crap
right up. Right. 15% air freshener and spice ... terpenes. 100% Natural.
You're right, dear @Vape Donkey 650, the resistance diffs our little brainy
batteries rely on to derive temperature are less than what a loosening screw
will do. We've all had that WOW puff when the system resets! Get that with
some oil in the pan and you be smoking that bacon!
One of the important details, and there are sssSO many, is not to ramp up
so fast you decouple from the load, 'cause then 1) the load isn't keeping up
with the heaters, i.e. the temp in the cup lags, and 2) you're hunting and
overshooting enough to do damage. At 50W it's way too fast for me. At 25W
so far she's like greasing onto the runway, but we'll see.
Personally I like this as a muzzle-loader. Same as my ceramic cups. And yes,
you're right, the thing that the ceramic cups require is air coming in from above.
The Quartz Quest solves so many issues. GREAT WORK, Matt @divinetribe !!!
OK, must clean up after every load. Swabbing the quartz is easier than
removing and torching a removable cup. Even the nail nubies are learning to
keep their torched quartz sparkly. So the QQ looks absolutely great to me.
If oil starts building up, it gets into contacts, and the whole stable temp control
is headed off the tracks. Matt tells it like it is: wipe after you're done.
And if y'all weren't so set on overloading and then blowing 80% of the vapor
out into the Mother Primeval, things would go smoother ;-) Just sayin'
So tell me about this AF. I took a multi-year break, and the gear I had, the
eVic-VTC-Mini (that has taken so many crashes and surgeries, not covered
by AppleCare), and the iStick Pico, still working fine for nicotine. They're
also looking fine for 710 duty. Anything come out that's much better?
Or is there new firmware that offers more fail-safes, or a smarter PID or what?
I'd tried an update on one of them, it hid the resistance reading, and then it
took some work to revert to 1.0 ;-)
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fernand
Well-Known Member
Thanks, @JigMelon , I'll look around. DNA still leading?
Meanwhile, down home 14 mm adapter for the
Hydratube, done. Heat-shrink over silicone tubing.
Works OK. Previous "designs" in the background.
It provides some flex and give, which some people like better than a hard
ground glass joint, because you won't break it, and it seals just as well.
Meanwhile, down home 14 mm adapter for the
Hydratube, done. Heat-shrink over silicone tubing.
Works OK. Previous "designs" in the background.
It provides some flex and give, which some people like better than a hard
ground glass joint, because you won't break it, and it seals just as well.
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looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
I dunno, I'm experiencing a bug in the current release of FireFox, don't see the images, but if I click on reply, they show up! I like the full size images, but it's probably faster for most folks loading the page with smaller images or links to the images.
p.s.
a little late on these
ok, bong porn
restraints, you're killin' me I bought a small bottle of 200 proof ethanol, and I've been using that to swab the mouthpiece, bucket and assembly. No worries about ISO with as often as you have to swab it down.
thankfully, I've largely been spared the 'terpy' fun, unless it was actual
live resin 'sauce' made from flash frozen flower.
(Raw Gardens in CA, great stuff made from Clean Green Certified Organic grows)
I'm a little concerned folks are over-dosing on terps, especially some of questionable lineage.
the trick is to explore them and find the right combinations for variations on the entourage effect.
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Hackerman
User
Hey gang, I am thinking of adding one of these to my collection of Divine Tribe Attys but I have a couple questions...
1. Is the quartz cup completely open and empty inside? I can't tell from the pictures if the coils are UNDER the cup or INSIDE the cup.
2. Is there a discount code for FC users?
Thanks
1. Is the quartz cup completely open and empty inside? I can't tell from the pictures if the coils are UNDER the cup or INSIDE the cup.
2. Is there a discount code for FC users?
Thanks
1. The quartz cup has a slab beneath it; the coils are in that slab. The coils are "in" the quartz but your concentrate doesn't touch it. The coils are in the air channel, though, which is a why a reliable TC device is needed.
2. If it isn't in his Sig, just email him and he'll hook you up.
fernand
Well-Known Member
@looney2nz the worries around butane "residue" are silly, because it's so volatile you'd be hard pressed to actually vape any, even if you tried. Iso alcohol from cleaning also evaporates, leaving nothing. We breathe in more crap just walking downtown.
But people think nothing of the amounts of terpenes in today's "augmented" extracts. Or dipping a dab in a terpene vial. Allow me one detail. Terpinolene is one of the main terpenes in "Durban Poison" profiles, and it shows promise medically. It's in the higher temp vape fractions, above 400 degrees F. But it's a powerful drug, that's naturally present in Cannabis in small amounts along with all the other compounds.
The only Tox data I've found so far is an oral LD50 of 4.4 mg/Kg, without specifying what species it was tested in. Assuming it was rodents, taking 100g animals, i.e. 1/10 of a Kg, it takes a tenth of 4.4mg or a 0.44 mg oral dose to kill 50% of the animals. That's what an LD50 means, and in this case not a wonderful organic outcome on what seems like a small amount. So, going uptown, if 100 kg Humans need 440 mg to kill 'em, smaller amounts might not be super cool either.
Dippin' in Terpenes is an unnecessary and thoughtless risk. The use of both flavorful and transparent terpenes as "no additives" solvents in cartridges is a roll of the dice for now. Just sayin'
But people think nothing of the amounts of terpenes in today's "augmented" extracts. Or dipping a dab in a terpene vial. Allow me one detail. Terpinolene is one of the main terpenes in "Durban Poison" profiles, and it shows promise medically. It's in the higher temp vape fractions, above 400 degrees F. But it's a powerful drug, that's naturally present in Cannabis in small amounts along with all the other compounds.
The only Tox data I've found so far is an oral LD50 of 4.4 mg/Kg, without specifying what species it was tested in. Assuming it was rodents, taking 100g animals, i.e. 1/10 of a Kg, it takes a tenth of 4.4mg or a 0.44 mg oral dose to kill 50% of the animals. That's what an LD50 means, and in this case not a wonderful organic outcome on what seems like a small amount. So, going uptown, if 100 kg Humans need 440 mg to kill 'em, smaller amounts might not be super cool either.
Dippin' in Terpenes is an unnecessary and thoughtless risk. The use of both flavorful and transparent terpenes as "no additives" solvents in cartridges is a roll of the dice for now. Just sayin'
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looney2nz
Research Geek, Mad Scientist
nah, the butane 'residue' in this case is HEXANE, which is very bad stuff.
if folks know enough and they purge it correctly (large commercial producers) in a vacuum oven, then no worries, but prior to the new guard here in CA, we had jokers making their own in their garage or kitchen (often blowing them up) plenty of hexane in that crap.
but as far as terp's go, some heavy hands
then again, we're seeing the flip side of this coin, everyone and their brother selling distillate cartridges (FLAVORED even!)... going to try and track down someplace with Honey Vape syringes and try a few of their product.
if folks know enough and they purge it correctly (large commercial producers) in a vacuum oven, then no worries, but prior to the new guard here in CA, we had jokers making their own in their garage or kitchen (often blowing them up) plenty of hexane in that crap.
but as far as terp's go, some heavy hands
then again, we're seeing the flip side of this coin, everyone and their brother selling distillate cartridges (FLAVORED even!)... going to try and track down someplace with Honey Vape syringes and try a few of their product.
Hackerman
User
Thanks for all the replies, gang. I didn't find a discount on the QQ in his signature so I sent him a PM. I always feel bad doing that. I feel like I'm begging for spare change. Reminds me of the 60's. LOL
Hey, you... got any spare change. OK, thanks... Hey, hey man, got any spare change? Hangin' at the mall bummin' spare change. LMAO
Hey, you... got any spare change. OK, thanks... Hey, hey man, got any spare change? Hangin' at the mall bummin' spare change. LMAO
The way that @divinetribe has treated me as a customer via email makes me feel like he's grateful more than anything, and appreciates our reaching out. I don't know if that's true; that's just the vibe I get. He can see that you're an active member on this forum and that you have a voice in upcoming topics within this "hobby" (like the SJK thread, for example), so he probably values having the device in your hand as much as you do. Whether you're posting a review on here or reddit, pics on instagram, or just emailing him your thoughts about what you like or dislike about the product, it will be valuable information for him to improve his products and business. I imagine that's why he offers us discounts in the first place. If we were his only customer base I'm sure it would be different, but I think it's a win-win for us and him at this time.
fernand
Well-Known Member
Matt is enterprising and really into creating good stuff.
We're a good testing ground. I think all is well.
That LD50 for Terpinolene on True Terpenes' own SDS
could be a typo, maybe not, and in any event additional
terpenes ARE an additive and calling 'em "organic",
"natural" or similar supplement-speak just confuses an
already confused general public.
If I understand the problem correctly, once you've
done full fractional distillation and separated all the
individual constituents, if you're not adding some
terpenes you have a generic THC, like Pure Gold?
So is this just a consequence of better lab technique?
I found 96% THCA crystals. Guild specifies the strain,
but at that level of purity, there's barely a faint scent
of terpenes. Would you expect any strain-specific
effects? To know, you'd have to compare. And it
just happens they had two varieties. There went
the budget.
I was surprised to find a Doctor Delights Delta-8 THC
disposable vape pen. There's 2.25mg delta 8 and
0.45mg delta 9 per puff, with 0.21mg Terpenes.
My LAWD! That Quartz Quest is the precision stoner's
dream come true. Everybody else too. Excellent.
The learning curve is simple: 1) Learn to use Temp
Control. 2) Consider that hot and hurty is maybe
overheating the concentrate, decomposing stuff,
wasting most of it for no good reason.
A lot of what's left is getting coughed out into
the room/park/forest/spacecraft, because the
vapor is just too hot and hurty to inhale.
If with the little Dosist pens you can inhale the
entire toke, why shouldn't that be possible with
a vaporizer? I submit, ladies, gentlemen, fellow
stoners, that the Quartz Quest can get you there,
fair & square. I rest my case ;-)
Q: Can someone recommend some new, maybe
including DNA75?, mods to do temp control with?
We're a good testing ground. I think all is well.
That LD50 for Terpinolene on True Terpenes' own SDS
could be a typo, maybe not, and in any event additional
terpenes ARE an additive and calling 'em "organic",
"natural" or similar supplement-speak just confuses an
already confused general public.
If I understand the problem correctly, once you've
done full fractional distillation and separated all the
individual constituents, if you're not adding some
terpenes you have a generic THC, like Pure Gold?
So is this just a consequence of better lab technique?
I found 96% THCA crystals. Guild specifies the strain,
but at that level of purity, there's barely a faint scent
of terpenes. Would you expect any strain-specific
effects? To know, you'd have to compare. And it
just happens they had two varieties. There went
the budget.
I was surprised to find a Doctor Delights Delta-8 THC
disposable vape pen. There's 2.25mg delta 8 and
0.45mg delta 9 per puff, with 0.21mg Terpenes.
My LAWD! That Quartz Quest is the precision stoner's
dream come true. Everybody else too. Excellent.
The learning curve is simple: 1) Learn to use Temp
Control. 2) Consider that hot and hurty is maybe
overheating the concentrate, decomposing stuff,
wasting most of it for no good reason.
A lot of what's left is getting coughed out into
the room/park/forest/spacecraft, because the
vapor is just too hot and hurty to inhale.
If with the little Dosist pens you can inhale the
entire toke, why shouldn't that be possible with
a vaporizer? I submit, ladies, gentlemen, fellow
stoners, that the Quartz Quest can get you there,
fair & square. I rest my case ;-)
Q: Can someone recommend some new, maybe
including DNA75?, mods to do temp control with?
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@fernand Well put. In regard to a DNA device I use a LostVape Therion 75c BF. There are less expensive ones out there but I don't have any experience with other manufacturers. I have two LostVape DNA devices and they're both excellent. You may even be able to get a DNA250c from another manufacturer for less than the Therion 75c. Probably overkill for this though 
Hackerman
User
I got the same feeling when I 'talked' to him in the past. He seems very personable.
I would like to ask @divinetribe if he has a prototype of the dry herb model with a mouth big enough to fit a VapCap. If anyone has seen his dry herb model, it has heating elements all around the inside of the cavity. I am thinking this might be a nice 510 VapCap heater.
fernand
Well-Known Member
FWIW, @Hackerman, you can make any glass fit just about any other by sculpting with silicone tubes and heat shrink insulator. And maybe some types of tape, a garage-full of junk, post-it notes, cork, spent 12 gauge shells, all the customary arts and crafts material. Then just build up enough layers to make a good connection. The vapor goes glass to glass, and if it briefly contacts silicone, it's OK.
That Quart Quest is like falling in love again ...
@JigMelon the eVics and Picos work fine, just gotta start clean from a cold unit, and use an IR thermometer to set the TCR so you're in the ballpark. Ain't linear. You can have a perfect TCR from temp X to temp Y and you try temp Z and you're 20 degrees off. So it's try high, try low, until it works in the range that matters, meaning when you dial up 350 degrees on the handy display, you get the Temperature Protection message when the pan is around 350 degrees.
Then if I have no loose connections my Pico does a decent job. Sure it hunts and overshoots some, but if the wattage setting is low enough to not rise too hard, yet high enough to reach temp soon (e.g. 25W) I'm seeing +/- 15 deg F, that sort of thing. Of course I wouldn't mind +/- 1 deg F at the cup, on principle, but I don't know if a loose coupling like this can achieve anything more. Hell, move the thermometer a bit and it reads different.
Are you able to really maintain better regulation with a DNA?
If I can set and reasonably expect temps below 380, and never stray over 400 deg, I'm OK. Personally, and it's just an opinion, a personal opinion, my personal opinion, any of that unspeakable stuff cooking off with the pan over 400 deg is veterinary grade ;-)
That Quart Quest is like falling in love again ...
@JigMelon the eVics and Picos work fine, just gotta start clean from a cold unit, and use an IR thermometer to set the TCR so you're in the ballpark. Ain't linear. You can have a perfect TCR from temp X to temp Y and you try temp Z and you're 20 degrees off. So it's try high, try low, until it works in the range that matters, meaning when you dial up 350 degrees on the handy display, you get the Temperature Protection message when the pan is around 350 degrees.
Then if I have no loose connections my Pico does a decent job. Sure it hunts and overshoots some, but if the wattage setting is low enough to not rise too hard, yet high enough to reach temp soon (e.g. 25W) I'm seeing +/- 15 deg F, that sort of thing. Of course I wouldn't mind +/- 1 deg F at the cup, on principle, but I don't know if a loose coupling like this can achieve anything more. Hell, move the thermometer a bit and it reads different.
Are you able to really maintain better regulation with a DNA?
If I can set and reasonably expect temps below 380, and never stray over 400 deg, I'm OK. Personally, and it's just an opinion, a personal opinion, my personal opinion, any of that unspeakable stuff cooking off with the pan over 400 deg is veterinary grade ;-)
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Hackerman
User
While that is true, and for that matter, I could shove the VapCap up my fat ass wife's butt and wait for her to fart. Although, initial tests on that theory resulted in combustion.
Still, you're right, there are a lot of options. I was just checking out the Divine Tribe possibility because I have one and it crossed my mind when I looked at it as having some potential in this manner. Unfortunately, the Divine Tribe dry herb vaporizer hole (unlike my fat ass wife's) was too small for the VapCap .
Thanks
I'm gonna miss that VapCap
Still, you're right, there are a lot of options. I was just checking out the Divine Tribe possibility because I have one and it crossed my mind when I looked at it as having some potential in this manner. Unfortunately, the Divine Tribe dry herb vaporizer hole (unlike my fat ass wife's) was too small for the VapCap .
Thanks
I'm gonna miss that VapCap