Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by Abysmal Vapor, Apr 14, 2018.
May I ask what you don’t like about it? That might help those of us who are on the fence.
I made a post yesterday.
I saw your post yesterday, I just wasn’t sure if there were any more details you wanted to add as far as actual real world use.
Price wise, the ditanium comes with the “oil kit” that 7th floor charges an extra $100 for, so the ditanium ends up being $250ish to the da Buddha’s $290ish equally equipped. The ditanium uses a quartz dish rather than titanium, so personal preference there. I can order the ditanium, an extra quartz dish, carb cap, and the titanium handle which comes with an additional thicker glass handle also, with the current 15% off, and still be cheaper than the da Buddha.
Power knob being too small? I guess that could be annoying? I don’t see myself using it much during a session for it to bother me much.
Glass wand sliding off easy is cause for concern though. Wonder if the angle was too steep on the male side?
If you live in the states it's a reasonable price, but I payed $465 for the bamboo water bundle with carb cap from vapenorth in Canadian dollars.
DBV oil kit comes with quartz dish now, price would be similar if I ordered dbv with oil kit from the states.
I am getting rid of just the Ditanium at a steep discount just to get some money back. But so far no friends or family are interested in it.
Not sure on the angle, sure was easy to pull off accidentally though.
I still like the design but needs improvement. Maybe the manufacturer will take some things into consideration. But for me the Ditanium is more of a weekend vape, not so much for the daily heavy user. The one thing I really liked was the mouth piece, works great with 14 mm joint.
I thought you were posting a new thread for info but I guess not (hasn't happened). Here's a synopsis of my recent research and evaluation of some premium desktop evaporizers, including the Herborizer, Flowerpot, Ditanium, log vapes and VapeXhale Cloud EVO. I'm probably missing some things and will try to add anything important I missed. Sorry, it's long.
At this time, I like to organize vapes by general style ranging from the "lab experiment" look to the very discrete .
The lab experiment style evapes are like the Flowerpot (FP) options, the Herborizer, or a custom enail or ebanger type of rig. I call this style of vape geek chic (and it rhymes ).
Lots of options
Very tweakable and flexible
TWAX with the FP (vaping flower and concentrates at the same time)
Quartz, Ti and SiC nail bowl options with the FP
Easy and fast to clean
Lots of parts
High burn hazard
Geek chic (it's a strength AND a weakness )
It's not discrete in the least
Don't let the unit get top heavy and become a tip hazard with the pieces (and glass) one chooses and uses
One yr warranty
The Herborizer is similar to the FP. The Herborizer has a 2 yr warranty. I was told the Herborizer is not as good with concentrates as the FP though. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/ditanium-vaporizer.26785/page-3#post-1332926
On the other end of the evape spectrum are discrete styles/designs like the VapeXhale Cloud EVO. It's very flexible, powerful and discrete. The VapeXhale is even discussed in Forbes Magazine. https://www.forbes.com/sites/warren...-must-have-the-vapexhale-cloud-evo-vaporizer/
Lots of options
All glass path for concentrates (glass nail)
Flower is the same path other than it uses a SS mesh bowl screen (aka the ELB)
Low temp dabbing with concentrates
High efficiency (no need for a carb cap)
Not a burn hazard
Can preload concentrate/flower and do very quick back-to-back sessions/bowls
45 minute auto turn-off timer
It has an 8 ft detachable std power cord (with all the power cord talk )
Easy and fast to clean
3 yr warranty
Lots of manufacturer support and information produced for social media and on Youtube
Can't TWAX efficiently like the FP (but can do back to back dab and flower draws with no significant wait)
Don't drop the unit or smack it around with an all glass path
Some units 'whistle' more than others
Big heavy top glass can become a tip hazard
The Ditanium sits in the middle of the various styles/designs, it's not full lab experiment style but not as discrete as the EVO either.
It's a chunk less costly than the FP, Herborizer and EVO
Middle-ground discreteness (at least without the attachments and whip)
Grade 2 titanium quartz enail
Can TWAX (do flower and concentrate at the same time)
It looks to be fairly stable, especially when used with a whip attachment or adapter to another piece (be careful with water pieces used this way as noted in the Sneaky Pete review)
Not as easy and fast to clean
The Ti quartz enail isn't as easy to clean as the FP enail (which fits a Q-tip swab)
Medium burn hazard (the handle potentially and definitely the nail)
Not an all glass air path for concentrates or flower
The horizontal output is susceptible to flower spills and the handle detaching
Less accessories and options (it's early and accessories are still being added)
It's best set up with a whip or a whip as part of the set up (e.g., to hook up to a water piece)
The whip tubing get's dirty quick and I recommend replacing tubing, not cleaning it
The non-whip attachment options are awkward to use with the Ditanium (the direct glass mouthpiece and the direct glass adapter for a water piece)
It has a 4 foot non-detachable power cord (more power cord talk )
Log vapes such as the E-nano are a great desktop option (but not for @-dab8- since he's looking for a dab rig)
It's a chunk less expensive than the FP, Herborizer and EVO
Not a burn hazard
Easy and fast to clean
Excellent with flower
Not very good with concentrates
That's a quick list of advantages/disadvantages for the units from my research. Here are some more general considerations.
These premium desktop vapes are great at microdosing. They all can run for long periods of time and remain on as well.
Find out where the manufacturer is located. The Herborizer is made in Europe whereas the EVO and Flowerpot are made in the US. Depending where you live, the location of the manufacturer will affect the time it takes for parts availability, shipping, etc.
The burn hazard from vapes is a real issue. I know I can be absent-minded on cannabis and I don't want to have to worry about remembering to not burn myself, potentially badly. YMMV. On reddit a member badly burned their hand grabbing the Flowerpot heater by accident (it was left on overnight and thought to be turned off the next morning). When I watched Sneaky Pete's Ditanium video review I instinctively cringed when I saw him touch the Ti nail a few times. The was unit was cold at those times in the video review, but that kind of behavior can come back to bite people in making the mistake of touching it when the vape is on (or as mentioned) thinking the vape is off when it's not), especially when medicated. I like that the Ditanium evape is less of a burn hazard with its wood shielding than "lab experiment style" vapes such as the Flowerpot and Herborizer, but I find the Ditanium is still a medium level burn hazard.
Look at air paths and materials used; decide what style or version you want. Some people care a lot about an all-glass air path for example, other people don't care much about it.
Decide which style/design of concentrate rig you want. Some people love Ti nails, for others it's all about quartz bangers. There are different materials used as well in these different styles of rig, depending on the manufacturer .
Lower temp dabbing with concentrates is becoming very popular. Some units do this much better than others. Other people still prefer the more old-school super high temp dabs. Consider what you want a rig to do for you.
Look at where in the production cycle a product is. The EVO unit has been refined for a number of years and the platform/design is stable now (other than accessories like new water and dry mouth pieces being released). The FP and Herborizer are newer and are going through various product and accessory updates (different heads, materials, etc). The Ditanium is one of the newest vapes and updates may be coming. Accessories for the Ditanium are still being released as well. Think about what one wants in the ownership experience . Some people enjoy a stable, refined and mature product, other people like having a recently released product and being part of its development cycle, trying new and different/revised parts, etc. These considerations and personal preferences will affect the vape choice any person makes.
"My" own most important considerations for a first desktop and primary-use vape included a quality air/vapor path, some reasonable discreteness, ease of use, excellent flexibility/power with both concentrates and flower, a low burn hazard and easy clean-up. YMMV. I was very interested with the Ditanium initially then became interested in the EVO. I like being able to use a vape around the house, especially the family room when appropriate, and didn't want to have to drag out a big lab experiment style vape and set it up every time I wanted to vape... then put it all back away again, or hide it in some way-back room in the house/garage to use there. YMMV.
There is no right vape for everyone. See what the advantages and disadvantages are for various vapes and decide what your most important priorities, preferences and wants are . It's a great list of premium desktop vapes to choose from .
Some people want to add a vape to their collection or change things up from what they already have or previously owned. I think it would be great imo to have a quartz nail/banger concentrate rig as well as a Ti nail concentrate rig. And also have rigs that cover high temp and low temp concentrate use/dabbing. For some people the vape decision comes down to which design/style to buy "first". I'd like to get a "lab experiment" style evape at some point but it's down my list a little ways at this time and I'm currently in no rush to buy more.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions.
Awesome post, @CANtalk. I completely agree, at least with regards to the gear that I have direct experience with (Ditanium, Flowerpot, EVO, and E-nano).
The short power cord on the Ditanium is definitely a point of irritation. I've managed to find a working solution for coffee table operation using a small extension cord, but I'd rather not have to go that route. Another meter would be nice.
The early versions apparently had quite a long power cord but people complained about it being too long, so it was tweaked to the current length, which now seems just a bit too short. There was a bit of a mix-up with my original order; an original bamboo unit was packed inside a box intended for a black unit. For a brief period of time, I actually had both and could compare them side-by-side:
Note the length of the power cord on the banboo unit. It's like 3x longer than the one on the black unit. I think the best solution is a power cord socket; that'd allow the customer to use whatever power cord length they want. It looks like there'd be room in the existing profile with a bit of rearrangement of the electronics.
Wow! Awesome post, thank you. I was debating creating a new comparison thread, but after finding videos I could watch of each of the devices, I felt like I had a little better handle on what each offered. That said you brought new perspectives and info.
A few questions stand out:
Can the EVO handle consecutive dabs? It seems like the glass nail would be too hot to remove after use, as opposed to the open always ready dish on the ditanium.
I don’t think I care about twax (where does the “t” even come from, shouldn’t it be fwax for flower and wax? Lol.), but it’s kind of fun to have the option I guess.
Does the EVO have to be used with a glass piece on top of it? That looks like a top heavy nightmare. I will likely only use whatever desktop I get through water 50% of the time, so I don’t want to be forced to use a water piece. On that note, can you use the EVO upside down over a water pipe?
You recommend treating the silicone whip of the ditanium as disposable? I assumed it was something that would have to be replaced eventually, but assumed it could be cleaned many times before that. Is there a reason why this might not be the case? I am very much a fan of vapes that don’t have pieces made to be regularly replaced.
I think I have ruled out the geek chic offerings this time around. Eventually I’ll have a flowerpot, but for now, 95% of my vaping is done while sitting on my couch with my vape things on my couch side table, and a hot, unstable, metal coil, seems like a terrible idea.
Woah, straying way off topic, no?
@CANtalk That should have been sent via dm or waited for a comparison thread and not pasted here in the Ditanium thread. Leads to follow up questions, also off topic.
Back on topic, talk about going from one extreme to the other on their cord length. A definite foot or more would be best suited. Thanks for the side by side pic @SixStringToker
@25076 Your judgement on the performances of the Budda vs Ditanium is strictly on the dab side of things? How about flower vs flower, or is your judgement the same there? Does the Budda do the dab/flower stack as well as the Ditanium?
@SloJimFizz you just asked a comparison question also though...
@SixStringToker, thx about my post! It was a lot of work and time to put that together... I thought it was worth sharing. Great picture on the different Ditanium's and cords. Nice feedback too
@-dab8-, the EVO glass nails are easy to pull after use, only the bottoms heat up a lot (lots of real-time Youtube videos). The EVO has whip options, either on its own or to use as connectors. The EVO has smaller dry mouthpieces available as well. Their Precision line of water pieces are smaller and don't sit as high or heavy on the base. You can use the EVO upside-down (e.g. in traditional water pieces) with flower, not with concentrates. I've been told in my research that tubing shouldn't be cleaned with ISO or caustic stuff. It's difficult to even "attempt" to clean tubing. People replace whip tubing when they don't like what the see, feel, taste, etc. Owners tell me they tend to do it regularly.
How's the whip tubing with Ditanium owners here? Anyone change it yet or have any comments/feedback?
@SloJimFizz, the work to put together that post was too much to go DM and not share with the forum . I suggested starting/moving to a different thread earlier, doing so wasn't my choice to make.
Yes I did, a tad different though.
Mine was to an owner of a Ditanium who just got it, and is ready to part ways with it saying the Ditanium is no step up from the Budda. I was asking for folks like you on the fence, which made his decision. If is strictly for dabs, that makes a big difference, in a way. I don't know the capabilities of the Budda, and was wondering if it did the stack, like the Ditanium. Again, if the Budda won there, I would like to know so I can put it on the vas list.
@CANtalk I changed my whip right away. The stock one is a bit short imo.
Thinking about getting this. Where do I buy whips from? Is there a diameter I need to know? Is there a best brand?
EDIT: Nevermind I found a thread in the forum about whips.
Link? I’m considering this also.
I haven't tried any flower with the Ditanium, It does dabs well enough so I imagine that flower will be fine too and I'm sure you can stack with the da Buddha but I have never tried.
I have put it back in its box to wait for a new owner to enjoy and I have gone back to my old dbv that I've had since 2012.
I'm in Canada also and was interested in the Ditanium... When you decide to sell let me know and maybe we could work something out.
The lack of European/UK power supply options and plugs is a big issue currently and will probably discourage a few people from acquiring a ditanium.
Thanks for the response. Hope your able to move your Ditanium sideways, looks like a prospective buyer already here in @Manity . Sounds like you were looking for a Dab rig in a sweet wood enclosure.
Build quality aside, your review kinda omitted 2/3rds the functionality of this unit, the two most important to me and I'm guessing most that are looking at this unit. The flower use, and the stacked hit which is the Dab nail hit heating your flower load.
Epic E-nano users in 220v areas use a step down converter pretty successfully. Some are said to be noisier than others.
There is now a couple alternatives to the whip. There is a bubbler adaptor that I wouldn't use, mainly cause I don't have a bottom loading bubbler, but that would be putting too much weight on the heater core for my liking.
The other is looking like a j hook for the Ditanium. Just might be my first purchase of 2019.
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Sorry bud, already sold and shipped. Thanks for the interest
Anyone know what size joint is coming off of the ditanium? Curious to see what other options could be whipped up for mouthpiece rather the the whip tubing.
On a related note, is there a good place to buy bulk 7/16 silicon tubing?
Sorry this hasn't been answered. It may be mentioned in the Sneaky Pete review.
These showed up today. Still waiting on the most important piece.
Ditanium I wish you were here.
Wow! Where did you find that 90° adapter?
These people will custom manufacture you a custom 90degree adapter to your needs: https://www.oregonglassblower.com/
Looks like your ready to roll @HughJundys
Didn't realize there is no flower reservoir in that bubbler adaptor. I'm gonna have to order that glass mouth piece, ill wait for your thoughts on that one.
@-dab8- the joint coming off the Ditanium is 14mm male that inserts around 22mm into the female joint and bottoms out leaving roughly a 12-14mm area before the screen for the flower.
This is the heaviest hitter in my rotation. Massive clouds pulled effortlessly with no technique needed. Bought it mainly for the nail, but have been using it more for straight flower than anything else, mixing in dabs and stacked hits for night caps.
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