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Discovered oil/wax/shatter - now what is the best way to get it in me?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by herbivore21, May 16, 2014.

  1. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I have been vaping various concentrates through my E-Nano using SS wool. However, I find large amounts of my concentrates run down the GonG without much encouragement. I am about to receive my Persei (with Hercules SR74/Ti GR2 KISS carts/Bender/Hammer).

    I am interested in exploring a nail/skillet/whatever setup anyone might suggest to use with the hammer. I would rather not use a torch as I simply get too vaked to trust myself judging how long a translucent flame is. I am very, very interested in reclaimers too. I would love to have a handy container to collect my concentrates in whilst vaping :)

    Thanks in advance for all the recommendations!
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  2. syrupy

    syrupy For the homie.

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    Hammer dabs...mmm.mmm.good. I use a quartz nail and dome, or a vapor curve/swing, such as:

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    The thing I like about this system (using the Hammer top/rod) is its efficiency. Instead of torching the whole ti pad, just the dab gets vaporized. I'd recommend small-sized dabs, because cleaning the rod isn't all that easy. It might be good to get a 2nd hammer setup, to have one dedicated for the Bender and the other for dabs. Also the Hercules is a good system, that has a reclaim reservoir in the lower chamber. Some people like loading as they go with KISS carts. It sound like you have the bases covered. Enjoy!
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  3. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I am drooling over this setup whilst alternating between a GonG full of shatter and a GonG full of QWISO from high grade kief...

    Hey this might sound like a silly request, but could I see a video of one of the above setups being used with the hammer top? :)

    Cheers
  4. syrupy

    syrupy For the homie.

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    I don't know of any videos of dabbing with the hammer top. But imagine a regular dab being heating up the nail or skillet with a torch, and then applying a dab with a tool to the hot surface. With the hammer setup, put the dab on the cold skillet or nail, then apply heat selectively to the dab with the hammer.
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  5. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I found some hammer vids on youtube. Oh my god. I need a nail/reclaimer. I am finding I will use .05 of oil a day these days rather than 4g of flowers like I used to. Concentrates are great!
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  6. chimpybits

    chimpybits Well-Known Member

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    There was discussion of Hammer nail dabs a few pages back on the Hammer thread, especially this useful one with videos:
  7. paytonpenn

    paytonpenn Level 30 Nature/Healer

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    I think they are talking about a different Hammer.
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  8. syrupy

    syrupy For the homie.

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    Yeah, it's a Persei attachment called, maybe regrettably, the Hammer Top. Turns the Persei into a 1200f soldering iron.
  9. clouded vision

    clouded vision Well-Known Member

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    The best way is to use a torch IMO. Trust me you won't regret it. There is nothing like a low temp dab. I haven't tried the hammer but at 1200f, aren't you combusting? At the very least, it is going to be a very hot hit.

    I wouldn't worry about using the torch, it's off before you get high and its only scary the first time.

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  10. syrupy

    syrupy For the homie.

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    What's there to combust? There's no plant material. I thought most torches go up to 2500f, so the Hammer might be the lower temp dab.

    I get tired of telling folks I'm a creme brulee chef and not a crackhead. Also by the seventh dab, it can be difficult to ensure the torch isn't caught in the locked position.
  11. paytonpenn

    paytonpenn Level 30 Nature/Healer

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    I assume its not an instant 1200 just capable of getting that hot. I'm sure just like the other pen vaporizers he would be able to regulate temperature with pulses.
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  12. syrupy

    syrupy For the homie.

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    Can't pulse the Hammer easily because the latch wants to stay on until the 2-minute timeout. But you're correct it can be regulated. Once it's hot, I can vaporize dabs by just holding the rod above the dab. No touch, no mess.
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  13. clouded vision

    clouded vision Well-Known Member

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    Atomized oil is very flammable when mixed in oxygen so the vapor itself spontaneously combusts above certain temperatures. Torches do go to around 2450f but the flame itself never goes anywhere near the oil and the titanium has cooled well below 800 before I dab.
    I have never been so dabbed out that I couldn't safely operate my torch and if I were, I surely wouldn't need another dab. If you really don't like the idea of a torch then upgrade to an enail but you will never convince me that a soldering iron dab is better than the really thing.
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  14. syrupy

    syrupy For the homie.

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    I wanted to come back and argue the point. Instead I dusted off the torch, and after a dab, I concede the point. :bowdown::rockon:

    I see @herbivore21 is trying out the Hercules attachment. It has a learning curve, but it's a good delivery system.
  15. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I'm gonna be hitting the herc within a week :) Thinking of getting a cheap quartz nail and using the hammer top to hit it too! I am gonna mainly use the persei for oils though. It is the main reason I've bought the thing!
  16. Mr. Gweilo 420

    Mr. Gweilo 420 Dude

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    Mate if one of those nails that you get with bubblers is good enough I can send you one. I have a few gathering dust.
    I am doing a qwet run later tonight with 7grams of Tangerine Dream. Hope it works! I've been following your tips :)
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  17. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Man PM me your skype deets if you like, I am happy to talk recipes! Kief is a sure fire way to get shatter everytime IME, about 70-90ml of ethanol with about 1g of kief from that tangerine dream should produce you a good week's worth of shatter if you consume it at a ridiculously high rate like I do :)

    Also this nail offer sounds mighty interesting :D cheers mate!
  18. weedemon

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    imo nothing beats the Ti and a torch still.
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  19. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    Using the Hammer top and a Ti nail accessory ($20) from the SSV and some adaptors that I got from oregonglassblower on ioffer. Not the vid you were looking for but it is just another possibility...[​IMG]
  20. syrupy

    syrupy For the homie.

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    That's an interesting setup! How is the air flow around the nail? The male glass piece around the nail looks tight?
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  21. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    Inside diameter of the adaptor is about 9mm (3/8"). The rod itself is about 3.5mm. So there is nearly 3mm clearance around the glass. This is not a driver yet. Kinda like proof of concept. I saw pics of the DBV oil kit and thought " why can't I use that nail...?)." They sell it separately for $20 so no big loss if no good. They even sent me some free swag. Stickers, lanyard and bottle opener.. With a $20 order. Good company. Anyway the rest is thrown together with stuff I had. The glass 14mm/18mm adaptor. 3 stainless steel flat washers (to get the nail height just right.). Airflow is regulated by 2 stainless external tooth lock washers stacked first on the Hammer rod. All of the stainless hardware that I used was boiled and ISO washed. Then there is a bit of heat shrink tubing to hold the spacing washers in place. A slightly longer adaptor will eliminate the flat washers and the heat shrink tubing.
    It works. If I had been quicker with the dome, I would have gotten 3 solid hits on that one stubborn dab.
    [​IMG]
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  22. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.ozbongs.com.au/Grav-Labs-Reclaimer-Kit-14.4/

    How about this one?? I can get it from a local supplier with ti nail.

    To connect this to my LW bubbler and have the reclaimer facing the right way, I would obviously need some kind of angled male to male adapter and a female to female yes?
  23. DieHard

    DieHard Vertical transportation specialist.

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    That looks like a good one. Yes it seems an adaptor would be needed.
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  24. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    @DieHard looking on that same website under the adapters section in domes/nails section, is there any particular adapter that looks like it'll do the job? I don't wanna order the wrong thing lol
  25. Caligula

    Caligula *results not typical.

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    This is interesting progress. Keep up the good work gentlemen!

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