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Decarbing Before Vaporizing

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Anneman, Apr 28, 2015.

  1. Anneman

    Anneman New Member

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    Is there any reason to decarb your buds if you're going to vaporize them?
     
  2. drfe3

    drfe3 Member

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    the decarb temperature is well below the vaporization temperature so any vaporized weed should be decarbed already
     
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  3. Anneman

    Anneman New Member

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    Thanks. Any reason to convert herb to oil first before vapping other than convenience?
     
  4. hukhuk

    hukhuk Member

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    Yes concentrates might be "cleaner" if done right. Less plant material which will partial get vaped otherwise
     
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  5. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    No.
     
  6. Nocab

    Nocab Mecca Lecca High Mecca Hiney Ho

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    Any herb you use to make oil that hasn't been vaporized will be more potent. Vaporizing releases many of the herb's compounds, but not all of them so using in oil extracts a lot of what's left. Fresh herb will have all of those compounds intact, ready to be violated by the lipids in the oil.

    Decarboxylation is only necessary if you're baking with herb. If you're vapping, making an oil, butter, or tincture then decarbing isn't necessary.
     
  7. Anneman

    Anneman New Member

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    I want to try liquid cannabis concentrate in my V2 Series 3. What can I get to fill the tank?
     
  8. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Actually, there is a reason I can think of to decarb one's buds for vaping. I would not do it myself (since I actually benefit much more from non-decarbed material with my prolific and demanding lifestyle), but decarb your buds and you will be able to get a sleepier effect. The reason for this is that whilst the decarb causes the THCA to become THC, it will also mean that when you vaporize, thermal degradation of more of the THC will become CBN than if you had not decarbed first.

    I do prefer oils for this purpose though, specifically reclaim and AVB oils, which I produce from my daytime vaping and whilst relatively tasteless, are far more palatable for me than decarbed plant material would be.
     
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  9. steama

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    heat is not required for decarb — time works fine — it takes about 2 ½ months to fully decarb weed in the cure
     
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  10. darkrom

    darkrom Great Scott!

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    I've always found this to be the case. Also "stronger" is subjective, but some strains actually feel STRONGER (not just sleepier) when decarbed first and I can't guess why this is only true in some cases.
     
  11. Neicey76

    Neicey76 New Member

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    I'd say no. But may agree with the sleepy comment above Thx
     
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  12. Nesta

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    I've found just the opposite to be true- you don't need to decarb when baking. In fact baking is decarbing.

    But you need to decarb when making tincture. My non-decarbed tincture was a dud while my decarbed tincture is great! (I don't have any experience making oil or butter).
     
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  13. Anneman

    Anneman New Member

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    I have some year old sour diesel. Do I need to decarb?
     
  14. Nesta

    Nesta Well-Known Member

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    This is a very good question. Not so long ago the answer would have been - Yes, you need to decarb.

    But, as @steama noted, research & opinions are changing. @Grow Goddess & @OldOyler have some very interesting info here:

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/naturally-decarbed-concentrates-best-yet.14928/

    If Grow Goddess is correct, at least as far as RSO is concerned, the herb will naturally decarb after 100 or so days, and should be even more potent because the terps & other delicate components aren't damaged by the heat. That said this area is still being explored & depending on how you want to process your Sour D, you may want to decarb it anyway. Unless you want to run an experiment without decarbing, in that case let us know how it turns out.
     
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  15. Grow Goddess

    Grow Goddess Oil Snob

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    Nesta may be right. Try eating some first before degrading it by throwing it in the oven or applying any heat at all.

    I had some 4 month old strawberry cough (was in a sealed). A joint worth would give me a good oil buzz. I also had some old space dawg sitting around (in a sealed jar) that was at lest 6 months old. It seemed to be more potent than the SBC. I don't know if it was the difference in strain or just the duration of time. Eating a half joint worth of the Space Dawg was plenty enough for me. It was twice as strong and provided a 12-24 hour buzz, fully naturally decarbed, no heat.

    Buds take a longer than oil to naturally decarb. Seems to be 4 to 6 months based upon my experience. I have come to the conclusion with oil, from my experience and experiences of others, that the oil will naturally decarb within 100-120 days if it is about the thickness of honey or thinner. If it is too thick, it does not seem to decarb within the 120 days if at all. It needs to be in enough of a liquid state to release the CO2 while decarbing. Just my guess and initial observations, still experimenting. No going back though, only naturally decarbed products for me. I prefer the buzz from naturally decarbed.

    Testing the decarbing of the buds sucked! I had to stop taking the oil for three days each time so I could feel accurate results. I like the oil better. :) My second choice would be naturally decarbed buds, but it is not as convenient as the oil.

    Please report back, try eating a joint worth and see what happens.
     
  16. steama

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    Only about 2.5 months to decarb herb — putting herb in a heat oven or dehydrator destroys many of the desirabilities of the herb like terpenes and other delicate flavor aspects of the herb. I would avoid introducing heat for the purpose of decarb except in the case of edibles.

    Just like a fine wine, herb gets better with age and this can go on for some time (a year or so) but not forever. Just like wine weed eventually gets old too. :2c:
     
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  17. BD9

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    Okay, I read this thread and still don't get it. Should I decarb before vaping? The answers above are all over the place. Do I need to decarb only when cooking with cannabis? Or should I decarb no matter what I do? Is the heat from vaping enough to achieve decarboxylation or is that too short of time?
    The other thing is, I live in an unfriendly state so I may not know strain, origin, or if it's cured or dried. All of which bother me, but I may as well make the best out of what I'm getting.
     
  18. KnotKnox

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    You don't have to decarb before baking. You should always decarb when cooking with cannabis. Vaping is enough to achieve decarboxylation.
     
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  19. HomeFree

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    Once I read grow goddess write that about joints I started dating my 'free' pre rolls and then jarring them up. Not much longer to go. Usually I just empty them and vape away.
     
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  20. Krazy

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    Ok,now I am reconfused, lol.

    Are you using baking and cooking as technically specific kitchen terms?
     
  21. stinkytofus

    stinkytofus Well-Known Member

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    when u mean naturally decarb, does it need to be exposed to regular air or airtight? away from sunlight ? or some sort of way to naturally decarb it?
     
  22. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    @Anneman just make sure the cannabis that you are using is cured right and you should be good to go. Also store your cannabis in an air tight container away from the light and heat.

    No decarbing needed unless you want to make edibles or tinctures.

    Try looking under the Rosin technique under the concentrate section. You might be interested if you want to use concentrates and don't have access.
     
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  23. stinkytofus

    stinkytofus Well-Known Member

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    i am to assume cooking and baking is different right? otherwise this is a very confusing statement lol
     
  24. KnotKnox

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    Typo, I meant to say "vaping" instead of "baking"
     
  25. HomeFree

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    You can extract and decarb the extract on a hot plate with a flat bottom flask too, then mix into your fat ource. Skunkpharm has some great info. IMO it is better to decarb extract than trim. Every time I have dearbed trim it has had less activity but too little decarb and it i not hugely potent. For trim it depend on how decarbed it came when you got it.
     

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