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  1. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    With corona it might be a good idea to differentiate between an expectorant given in a pill or liquid form that in turn causes the expectorant effect VERSUS inhaling something foreign that coats the lungs and in turn causes the expectorant effect.

    The oral form may or may not be beneficial but ..... with the inhaled form you'd be coating your lungs, over and over, with the same material found building up in a vape or coating a bag at the same time that your lungs are incapable of working the way they should.

    Without corona your lungs have a chance of cleaning up the residual from vaporizing. With corona your short of breath because your lungs aren't functioning properly and may not be able to clear the lungs. Sounds like "insult to injury".
     
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  2. Planck

    Planck believes in Dog

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    I wonder, has anyone asked him why he pretends to be a expert in something that he has no background or training in. Or perhaps why he is so heavily funded by big tobacco. :brow:

    He may be correct in this case but he is still a arrogant sanctimonious shilling whore and I personally value his opinions as much as say Alex Jones.

    Farsalinos has done more actual independently funded research than anyone else and remains a credible source. It's not all pro vaping he was the person who raised concerns about diacetyl in e cigarette liquids for example. You get the science whatever it is.

    John none of this is directed at you or your post in any way. Just a convenient jumping off point.

    FWIW I have spent a huge amount of time researching e-cigs, vaping and vaping legislation. These are opinions but they are not still warm pulled out of my ass opinions.

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  3. cannabis.pro

    cannabis.pro OpenCannabis Advocate Accessory Maker

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    https://www.safeaccessnow.org/cannabinoids_influenza_and_coronavirus

    Cannabinoids, Influenza, and Coronavirus
    March 24, 2020 | Heather Despres
    With everything happening in the news lately, we want to present some scientific data to help medical cannabis patients and adult-use consumers make informed decisions in regard to cannabis products available, product safety, and personal health. Each person’s health situation is unique, and medical cannabis patients should discuss with their doctor or healthcare provider the best approach to prevent and treat current illnesses while potentially battling influenza or coronavirus.

    What is the influenza virus?
    The influenza virus is an RNA-virus whose genera includes Influenza A, Influenza B, and Influenza C. RNA, which stands for ribonucleic acid, is present in all living cells and acts as a messenger from DNA that controls the synthesis of various proteins in the body. Why is this important? Instead of the body producing proteins needed for normal functioning, the RNA replicates the virus, causing the viral load inside the body to increase.

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    Figure 1: Molecular Structure of Influenza Virus1
    What is the coronavirus?
    The coronavirus is also a class of RNA-viruses that replicates rapidly, and includes Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).2 It is called a coronavirus because of the crown-like spikes3 that extrude from the virus, as shown in Figure 2. However, the structure of the flu virus is noticeably different in that the spikes that protrude from the cell are the same height as the membrane proteins, whereas in the coronavirus the protein spikes are higher than the membrane proteins. Why is this structural difference important? Simply put, it makes the coronavirus harder to treat and it makes traditional flu vaccines ineffective.

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    Figure 2: Molecular Structure of Coronavirus4
    Cannabis and the Immune System
    In the endocannabinoid system, cannabinoids and terpenes interact with both the CB1 and CB2 receptors, as well as other receptors. While both CB1 and CB2 receptors are present in the central nervous system (CNS) and the peripheral nervous system (PNS), CB2 receptors are more heavily located in immunomodulatory cells. The immune system plays a key role in helping people stay healthy by performing a number of different functions through various molecular pathways.


    In 2008, Buchweitz et al. reported the effects of THC on mice infected with the influenza virus and noted that the immune system experienced increased viral loads and suppressed lymphocyte production.5 A follow-up study reported by Karmaus et al., appears to support the initial data that THC may suppress the immune system and cause increased viral load.6 It should be noted however, that these were small studies conducted on mice, where cannabinoids were ingested, and have been hard to replicate.

    Immune system suppression is only one potential outcome of the consumption of THC. Many patients with HIV/AIDS or those who are suffering from cachexia or chemotherapy-related nausea, who have compromised immune systems, are recommended THC to alleviate these devastating side effects. THC also shows promise in treating inflammatory responses to multiple sclerosis and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis.7 Lunn, et al., note that CBD has well-documented anti-inflammatory properties and that it may inhibit immune cell migration through CB2 receptor activation,8 and studies on the entourage effect have shown addition of CBD to potentially change the outcome of THC activity.

    Patient Recommendations
    What can be seen from this lack of conclusive scientific data, is that each medical cannabis patient must take into account their own personal needs and their own personal situation. If patients have found a particular product that works well for them, they should continue to take their medication as recommended by their physician. If a patient is experiencing the flu, coronavirus, or other types of respiratory illness, they should consult with their physician to determine what changes may need to be made to their medications. This may include switching from an inhalation type of medicating (i.e., smoking/vaping) to an oral medication (i.e., edibles, lozenges, oil extracts, etc.).

    Patients are also encouraged to follow all recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidelines to prevent the spread of illness and follow good sanitation practices. Many states with medical cannabis programs have put into place good production and sanitation practices to help ensure that the products being sold meet health and safety requirements. Consumers should ensure that the products that they are purchasing have been cultivated and manufactured in a manner consistent with health and safety requirements. The Patient’s Guide to CBD, which reviews best practices and discusses how to read a certificate of analysis, is a good resource for those wanting to learn more.

    Americans for Safe Access has also developed a series of COVID-19 policy recommendations for Governors and medical cannabis program heads, which you can review and support online. ASA also encourages patients and advocates to share descriptions of the COVID-19 responses impacting their local cannabis businesses and their implications for patients. We have created a central hub for sharing those experiences.



    References:

    1. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-10-flu-americans-year.html
    2. Masters, P.S. (2006) The Molecular Biology of Coronaviruses. Advances in Virus Research, 66:193-292.
    3. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
    4. Holmes, K.V. (2003) SARS-Associated Coronavirus. New England Journal of Medicine, 348(20):1948-1951.
    5. Buchweitz, J.P., et al. (2008) Targeted deletion of cannabinoid receptors CB1 and CB2 produced enhanced inflammatory responses to influenza A/PR/8/34 in the absence and presence of 9-tetrahydrocannabinol. Journal of Leukocyte Biology, 83(3):785-796.
    6. Karmaus, P.W., et al. (2013) 9-Tetrahydrocannabinol Impairs the Inflammatory Response to influenza Infection: Role of Antigen-Presenting Cells and the Cannabinoid Receptors 1 and 2. Toxicological Sciences, 131(2):419-433.
    7. Pertwee, R.G. (2008) The diverse CB1 and CB2 receptor pharmacology of three plant cannabinoids: 9-tetrahydrocannabinol, cannabidiol, and 9-tetrahydrocannabivarin. British Journal of Pharmacology, 153:199-215.
    8. Lunn, C.A., et al. (2006) A novel cannabinoid peripheral cannabinoid receptor-selective inverse agonist blocks leukocyte recruitment in vivo. Journal of Pharmacological Experimental Theories, 316:780-788.
     
  4. Planck

    Planck believes in Dog

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    Why Soap Is Still Our Best Weapon Against Coronavirus
    Including how to properly wash hands

    Please watch and share! TIA.

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  5. Cheesequake

    Cheesequake MDE Never Dies

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    So they work for doctors and nurses but not us? Funny how that works.
     
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  6. 510MOD

    510MOD Manufacturer

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    As far as I understand, the N95 masks only work to help contain spread. They do not prevent spread. In better words from my RN wife, "the mask will stop me from getting more people sick if I am sick because it will help me keep my germs to myself. As long as I am healthy, I can catch it just the same, mask or no mask. COVID-19 does not give a fuck what you wear, it will attach itself to any of it or directly to myself." Of course, we are not in an area majorly affected by it yet and the knowledge and training she has been provided could change. Are county had 6 positives for COVID-19 as of yesterday morning so were still on the early side of things.
     
  7. Cheesequake

    Cheesequake MDE Never Dies

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    If they work to contain the spread inside a hospital they would work to contain the spread outside of a hospital. Sounds like to me if more people were wearing masks outside less people would be spreading the disease in the first place.
     
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  8. vapviking

    vapviking Well-Known Member

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    Moot point if there are not enough to go around.
    We need to be smart about not spreading slowing the spread of the virus in any ways we can.
    Priorities go to the health care professionals, imo, and they are running dangerously short in some places.
    Who among us is smart enough and will take responsibility to second guess direct pleas from nurses and doctors in NYC?
     
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  9. howie105

    howie105 Well-Known Member

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    People ignore medical processionals all the time, sometimes for good and sometimes for ill. It will be no different in this case of a virus.
     
  10. ginolicious

    ginolicious Well-Known Member

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    We have a long road ahead. Which totally sucks. I hope everyone is safe and not showing symptoms.

    don’t want to alarm anyone. But one of the doctors in Toronto was saying socializing vapors are high at risk. That’s all they said.
     
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  11. TommyDee

    TommyDee Vaporitor

    Due to socializing or due to vaping one wonders...
     
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  12. proceeds_the_weedian

    proceeds_the_weedian Well-Known Member

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    Two weeks into social distancing. My place of study will be shut and doing online classes over easter, at least...I had really decided on taking an extended break while this works itself out, but I need my medicine damn it!
    Wow, a (single) low-temp bubbler hit followed by a hike and subsequent stretching felt glorious! After two days cooped up inside I was getting negative and dour and stiff.
    When I get a fever or a lot of phlegm it's a hard break, but until then I think a little hit or mild edible once or twice a week will do me more good than harm. My gf works at the local supermarket so it's a matter of when,not if. Probably being stupid, but hey...
     
  13. vapviking

    vapviking Well-Known Member

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    As the denier-in-chief says, we can't let the treatment be worse than the disease! :ugh: :\
     
  14. TommyDee

    TommyDee Vaporitor

    Our local news had two good pieces of information if it works out to be true - 1) symptom; persistent dry cough: 2) symptom; temp over 100'F. Vaping and dry cough don't quite go together in my experience. Dry cough also limits expectorant effects. This will be a tough choice.
     
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  15. vapviking

    vapviking Well-Known Member

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    In 2010 I had pnuemonia. It was pretty bad but not enough to hospitalize for.
    Toking bud was very severely limited, but not eliminated, and I was smoking j's at the time!
    I was also a 25 cigarette a day smoker at the time, and I managed about 5 a day while I was sick. Call me stupid, that's the way it went.
    The dry cough was the worst of it, of course, but the smoking did not seem cause immediate coughing when kept to minimum. I understand this does not mean it wasn't harmful; these are just the lengths we go to sometimes, especially over nicotine.

    The only good to come of it was the resolve to stop smoking cigarettes. Over the course of the illness I watched my can of tobacco go to zero, and that was all she wrote. Have not looked back at tobacco. It was in 2013 I made the switch to vaping herb. Sorry if off topic here, been thinkng about that time lately...
     
  16. TommyDee

    TommyDee Vaporitor

    Not at all. Congrats on kicking the butts. I know the challenge this presents having been a 2-pack user myself.
    I still see smoking and vaping as different elements introduced to the lungs. With the new variety of buds I've been trying, each has a unique 'wetting' profile. Wetting here simply means how the body responds to cannabis. Some form a thick mucus and some excite siliva production more than others. I can't help but think this is exploitable.

    While we're at it -

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  17. justcametomind

    justcametomind IT'S TIME!

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    Your RN wife is perfectly correct but there’s one more thing. If there was plenty of masks, and everyone of us wore one, the spread would be greatly reduced. The problem is that we don’t have plenty of them. Also, one can spread the virus as a symptomatic or while incubating. How to tell if you are infected? There are contemporarily few testing kits so it’s also difficult to tell if someone is contagious or not.
    Your wife is correct but that’s just the short answer. My longer one doesn’t change the fact that we should give the few masks we have to medical personnel and not to common people who use it just to perceive safety and say “better than nothing”. But then again: as a medical worker I’d only accept to work with FFP2/3 masks and not surgical ones.
     
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  18. TommyDee

    TommyDee Vaporitor

    It is not if you get it but when at this point. Just hope for one of two things to happened in that timeframe - 1) They come up with something to arrest the pneumonia & 2) The virus mutates to a weaker strain. If none of those work then we have a world culled of the most vulnerable people until herd immunity reaches equilibrium.
     
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  19. uncanni

    uncanni Well-Known Member

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    My view: From the looks of things so far, covid 19 won't really do all that much culling at all. But more pandemics are coming: what humans have done to the globe has made us all more vulnerable to these super viruses. I don't find it hard to believe that something will come along and do a super-cull like the Bubonic Plague did to Europe and Asia in the mid 1300s. It will be exacerbated by global warming.
     
  20. ginolicious

    ginolicious Well-Known Member

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    I think when the Arctic melts we in trouble. I foresee a lot of viruses and pathogens that have laid dormant for thousands of years coming back.
     
  21. vapviking

    vapviking Well-Known Member

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    And when we can't blame Asians we can blame Neanderthals!
     
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  22. howie105

    howie105 Well-Known Member

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    But they are too often running the show?
     
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  23. uncanni

    uncanni Well-Known Member

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    Totally. Get it out of the white house.
     
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  24. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    Let's not let this thread get political. It never ends well. :disgust:

    :peace:
     
  25. TheThriftDrifter

    TheThriftDrifter Well-Known Member

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