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Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by FlyingLow, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. Squiby

    Squiby Well-Known Member

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    If you haven't already, check out the Slugg 33 thread. It's a lovely affordable bud squisher.

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/slug-33-rosin-forge.25519/page-10#post-1193306
     
  2. legalizeRO

    legalizeRO Member

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    Lovely squisher but, I'm in Europe and I hate customs fees, plus I want to press large quantities at a time, plus I made a metal frame, and I already have a hydraulic truck jack that came back from retirement. I now wait for 2 plates to arrive, so I only need to know what type of paper to look for (and bags).
    I remember 2 years ago when rosin started to become a thing, that there was a paper unsuitable for pressing bud, but I can't remember which type.
     
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  3. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    It has been discussed to some degree in other threads, but there is good reason why the industry rarely press large amounts at a time (1oz- maybe 2 MAX)... I did not read into the details but it has to do with the distance the rosin has to travel to get out and that not being a good thing. Perhaps because it would require more heat? I dunno, but if you are just starting I would definitely learn the process, how to keep the right humidity, how to get the best yields, etc. with smaller batches.

    Learn the process cause nothing is worse than pressing a really nice Sati/CBD and getting crap yield.
     
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  4. mixchu69

    mixchu69 Well-Known Member

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    Reynolds parchment paper.
     
  5. ThatSauce

    ThatSauce Member

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    A few weeks back I made BHO chocolates at a friends Thanksgiving party. They turned out great and everybody loved them. I found a bag of dark chocolate Godiva melting wafers at WalMart, and I also grabbed some nestle semi sweet so they wouldn't be quite as bitter.

    Decarbed a bit over 1g shatter, melted some coconut oil (maybe a Tbsp or 2) and added said shatter + ~1g reclaim, then added all this to the chocolates (already melted in a double boiler settup).

    I picked up one of those silicone ice cube trays while at the store, and it worked perfectly for these. Made 15 chocolates, a full tray, and plenty left for licking the bowl.

    Very yummy, very strong.

    Also-look through this thread. GREAT step by step instructions with full color photos and ingredient lists, and plenty of discussion.
    https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=205263


    I've ordered RAW brand parchment from Amazon in the past and pressed small amounts on it. I still have some and keep concentrates on it. Great stuff, nothing left behind like the cheap white parchment from the grocery store.
     
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  6. 9teatreetill

    9teatreetill straightouttacoughin

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    Caramel candy must be the best way to deliver medicine. For long time i havent made a cake as it takes way too high temp to cook it than safe temp for cannabinoids. Yes, hard candy takes up to 180C, in the end just let caramel cool to 120C and put in your decarbed medicine. This way i believe you preserve the original canna-code. Also brownie will get through stomach acids and all, leaving you with 60-70% medicine. Melting straight in mouth, hard candy i believe delivers at least 90%. Bong appetite :)
     
  7. ThatSauce

    ThatSauce Member

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    Mmmmmm yes I like you're thinking, THC caramels sound fire!
    I saw a video on making hash lollipops a while back (https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=261s&v=3ju1Go4QX8o)

    And these look ace as well!
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  8. trichurious

    trichurious New Member

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    Can someone explain something to me, cuz 49592@583&29 hours of YouTubing a night still hasn’t found the answer. I guess they miss bits out to keep things secret I dunno.

    Why can we not make a vapable distillate at home with terpenes in tact? But more importantly, how does the lab method end up with honey consistency vapable liquid, while all homemade ends up as shatter?

    So we have one or two main videos made by the labs themselves showing, albeit rather vaguely, the process.

    1) For some reason it starts with co2 extraction. Now this is the part I believe the terpenes are sent to oblivion amirite? K so first question is, why not use winterized QWET instead?

    2) Secondly, having taken the co2 gunk and winterised it using alcohol, they use distilling as their “purge” method, and we get a honey consistency fluid. After that they say there’s further tinkering but they don’t show anymore, however the liquid at that point in itself should be vapable amirite??

    3) So then we come to homemade. Everyone uses QWET/QWISO/QWHATEVER and dewaxes the same way as the labs. At this point I don’t see how the difference tween homemade QWET and CO2 gunk is going to make a difference to the final consistency amirite??

    4) After the dewax/winterising, it’s time to get rid of the alchy. Lab uses distillation, home uses evaporation. So is THIS the part that makes the massive difference in turnout? If so how? Simply removing the alcohol from the rest is leaving a solid mass at home, but yet a nice oil thru distill. How? Literally not one word on the entire of the internet about this, unless I’m the worst researcher ever.

    5) There’s a homemade vid of some guys distilling a mass of, don’t even know what it is, they just call it a “patty”, how it’s been initially extracted I’ve no clue, but surely it’s not through co2 or butane cuz the distillation goes on to catch terpenes amirite??

    Click to play YouTube Video


    6) Now in this it seems 4 jars are collecting stuff and one of them is catching terpenes. Surrrrrely it’s gotta be way easier (and cheaper?) using this method whereby any terps lost can be almost immediately mixed back into the remaining liquid, rather than having lost them all at co2 point and now have to synthetically readd them later?

    7) Can we make vapable LIQUID (not shatter) at home using winterised QWISO by slowly evapping off the alcohol AND IT END UP AN OIL, and still be tasty with no extra terps needing to be added?

    Edit: actually going by this video u don’t even need to dewax first and plenty of terps are left after co2 extraction as it’s all coming out in the distill?? Aaarrrrggghh so much contradicting info out there !!!

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2017
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  9. Slagzord

    Slagzord Don't fuckle with shuckle

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    Alright, I looked through a couple dozen pages but didn't see this quite addressed. What if you just straight up eat a bunch of shatter? What would that do?
     
  10. psychonaut

    psychonaut Company Rep

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    Since most shatter is not decarbed, you will be ingesting THC-A. This is not psychoactive but there are some medicinal benefits. I don't have experiencing in consuming much THC-A so I can not elaborate further though this may help -

    https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-is-thca-and-what-are-the-benefits-of-this-cannabinoid
     
  11. Slagzord

    Slagzord Don't fuckle with shuckle

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  12. viciouselbow

    viciouselbow Well-Known Member

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    Hi, guys. I had never used concentrates before, but I decided to buy a disposable CO2 pen (apparently shatter). The battery died, but some oil remains. Is there any way I could somehow use the oil?
     
  13. seaofgreens

    seaofgreens My Mind Is Free

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    If it unscrews, you can put the atomizer on another battery. If it is one of those where it's all one piece, see if you can't open the top somehow and tip it over a piece of parchment paper. Let gravity do the rest. Then you can use the oil on a cheap quartz banger with a torch. Or however you would want to use it.

    My guess is that you would have to spend some money to be able to consume the rest of that oil. But at least if you can pop the top off somehow, you can drain what is in there. Not sure how you would consume it without buying some extra stuff though. Probably best to just put it on top of some dry herb in any dry herb vaporizer, and create a concentrate/herb sandwich.

    Bummer though. Those one piece disposable POS pens are supposed to last for their whole load.

    Also... shatter refers to a concentrate consistency. That being, it's consistency is solid, and can be "shattered," like glass. The oil in your pen is more liquid in consistency and is created to wick up into the atomizer, so not a shatter.
     
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  14. viciouselbow

    viciouselbow Well-Known Member

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    Thank you so much. Apparently, this is a problem with a lot of disposable pens.
    In a dry herb vaporizer, I would be best served by using higher temperatures, yes?
     
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  15. just_the_flu

    just_the_flu they say im crazy but i have a good time

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    ...question about store bought shatter...

    ...i've had shatter from the same company and once in a while a batch will be more of a gritty paste than a shatter substance... hope that description is good enough as i do not have photos ATM cuz its all gone :lol: and i just thought to ask... this may happen 1 in 10 grams?? (i dont really pay attention)

    ...just curious as to why this happens? is it the starting material? addition of terps? storage? (all mine are stored alike at home)..
     
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  16. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead FC-OG

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    It's from compounds nucleating and reverting in structure, the industry term is called "auto buddering"
    You could store it under refrigeration to delay this effect.
     
  17. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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  18. just_the_flu

    just_the_flu they say im crazy but i have a good time

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    ...thank you sir, that helps & makes sense :tup:.
     
  19. Krazy

    Krazy Well-Known Member

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    The article OldNewbie linked says "Dispensaries are responding to this by placing discounts on wax that has sugared up."

    Might want to call around if the discount is worth it to you.
     
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  20. just_the_flu

    just_the_flu they say im crazy but i have a good time

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    ...my store bought concentrates I'm referring to are not quite legal...YET... it's through a mail order system in canada, not technically legal since cannabis is still illegal in the country...
     
  21. TwistedGray

    TwistedGray Well-Known Member

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    The tops typically either unscrew or pop off disposable pens; however, you are going to have a HELL of a time extracting the oil from them. The hole is usually very small, so I don't think gravity will aid you here. My 2c is depending on how much is left you can try swapping it at the dispensary; otherwise, toss it.

    Which brand?
     
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  22. grampa_herb

    grampa_herb CO2 oil bigot

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    A heat lamp or hair-dryer will help.
     
  23. CannaPlates

    CannaPlates Owner

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    Hi! The best kind of paper i have found is this from Amazon.ca
    https://www.amazon.ca/Norpro-3399-Unbleached-Baking-Square/dp/B0000VLYBI
    otherwise any grocery store for this
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    It is thinner and you can press rosin right through the paper if enough pressure is used..just double up and you will be fine.

    Why these parchments? They do not leave paper fibres in your rosin. They do not leave a silicone taste. They just work.

    Do NOT grind up your cannabis to rosin press. At the most destem..at the least..dont touch. Remove all large stems as these can tear both the bags and the paper

    I sell bags if you are looking in Canada

    Hope this helps!
     
  24. bossman

    bossman Gentleman Of Leisure

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    I'm asking this here for obvious reasons:

    Should I remove my cart from the pen battery when not in use or is it fine to keep it attached and treat them like one device for the life of the cart? I'm slow so I'll take months to finish it.

    Will carts just last for ages as long as I don't leave them in a hot car or fuck them up through neglect somehow?
     
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  25. DieHard

    DieHard Accessory supplier

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    They should last just fine if left attached to your battery. Just make sure the battery is turned off to prevent accidental misfire. No need to detach from battery. Definitely don't leave it in a hot car.
     

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