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Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by FlyingLow, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. throwawaytre3s

    throwawaytre3s Well-Known Member

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    I find that if you apply it directly to your dabber it works great, particularly if it's in a syringe. Mine is usually really really unstable, hence the need for a syringe to begin with. I can't imagine getting it in the little glass jars I've seen some people get, that seems horrible.

    You can also eat it directly, or make edibles with it, too, since it's already decarbed. As far as ecigs, I think you'd still need to use a PeG mix like EJmixx or PuffMagic, it probably wouldn't soak into your wick well enough on it's own.
     
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  2. muunch

    muunch hotboxing the cockpit

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    Yeah, looks like I'll be getting it in a glass syringe? But I don't think there are any labels on the syringe but a lil guesswork ain't too bad. I'll prob just dab it or add it to food/drinks for lowkey-ness.

    Thanks! @throwawaytre3s
     
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  3. throwawaytre3s

    throwawaytre3s Well-Known Member

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    No problem man, just so you know for me it was 1 gram per 1mL in the syringe. So half a gram would be .5mL on the syringe, if it does have markings.
     
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  4. Hillbilly odd couple

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    I was told that adding half once of warm everclear per can of butane used would help purge the butane better and not add more time to a heat purge. Need some advice before I try it. Worried about loosing flavor.
     
  5. witka

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    THC Distillate, if i'm not vaporizing it, does it still need to be decarbed?
     
  6. throwawaytre3s

    throwawaytre3s Well-Known Member

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    No, regular distillate is decarbed already, you could eat it raw if you really wanted to.
     
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  7. acolyte

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    I've heard this many places, and it makes sense.. but I've also read one report of someone saying it didn't work for them. In my opinion, just make sure it's really thc distillate (trusted source) rather than just clear BHO or other.. has anyone here tried it?

    I'm also curious.. does anyone here find low temp dabs _more_ harsh?

    I usually take dabs around .05g, occasionally taking .1 to .2g dabs. I have two different quartz nails, a 4mm banger with carb cap, and a diamond knot (no carb cap needed) both well reviewed on other forums and presumably here (not sure if I can name vendors).

    Whichever one I use, I heat it until it glows orange, then wait until it's not orange. Then count down until I dab. Anywhere from 15 to 60 seconds.

    The hotter hits seem less harsh. I'm wondering if it's because the concentrate fully vaporizes instantly, rather than over a period of 5-10 seconds.. resulting in a longer draw of vapor. So even though it's the same amount, getting it frontloaded seems easier, like clearing a bong vs taking pipe hits.

    The other weird thing is that the taste seems to be worse at lower temps..

    This is with legal concentrates purchased from a dispensary, as well as some from another source which is also very good quality.

    Edit: I've just thought... I wonder if the cooldown times on my nails are just much lower than I thought for some reason. People report the very same 4mm banger I have as needing around 55 seconds, but perhaps my torch isn't heating it as hot or something similar.. I have the bed bath and beyond torch, I believe it's a vector clone.

    If this were the case, then the shorter wait time of 15-20 seconds that I really like could be a low temp dab... and waiting longer than that would be more like a lukewarm dab that isn't hot enough to really work. I've certainly never dabbed it red hot.

    Been wanting to get a good infrared temp gun, but I want one that goes up to 1000F and I don't know enough about them, seems like reviews are all over the place on whether it's accurate enough or not and what not on every model except the expensive ones.
     
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  8. throwawaytre3s

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    Well given that distillate must be distilled out from concentrates, it has to be decarbed in the processes of making it. Real distillate is already decarbed, you're right.

    I use an e-nail with a Ti dish, and I've been wondering about temps lately. I typically dab at about 600, and a low temp dab would be like 530. I'm having a hard time finding some good resources to see what other people use.
     
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  9. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    does properly cured material gain anything from being decarbed before vaping.
    was looking at the Nova
     
  10. acolyte

    acolyte Active Member

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    FlyingLow, I believe decarboxylation will happen at a temperature which is lower than the vaporization temperature, so by the time you get vapor the THC and other goodies will be fully decarbed.

    That being said, dryer bud is better in my experience because it has less water to evaporate before it can melt the other compounds. Sometimes I grind up a lot and let it sit in my grinder as I vape throughout the day so it gets drier. The vapor is harsher but more abundant.

    I've never personally tried decarbing weed before vaping it however. I believe the nova gets good reviews, if you need to decarb for edibles anyways it might be nice. Perhaps experiment decarbing in the oven and vaping first, unless cost isn't a concern.

    edit: just realized.. what material are you referring to exactly? I was thinking of flowers here, but realized we're in the concentrates thread. I've only heard of people decarbing concentrates if they want to make them into an edible. Apparently waxes, oils, shatters etc will bubble up as the co2 gets released during decarboxylation, so you can tell when it's finished when it stops bubbling so much. https://skunkpharmresearch.com/decarboxylation/
     
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  11. throwawaytre3s

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    Yeah, this is a great rule of thumb, typically what I use. 260F for 15-25 minutes or until it stops bubbling completely.
     
  12. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Anyone try one of the gordo scientific caps?
     
  13. Bad Ocelot

    Bad Ocelot Well-Known Member

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    I typically have my enail set to 525-555 with either a quartz banger or swivel carb cap nail. Not sure I can tell a huge difference in that range. There is a weird lack of info about common enail settings. That I've been able to find anyway.

    Question: so I recently acquired some rosin. Tasty stuff. On the first hit anyway. After that it tastes kinda burnt. I'm assuming this is due to some small amount of residual plant matter in the rosin? There isn't any visible, but it sure is gunking up my nails & vape pens. Is there any (reasonably efficient) way to rectify this? I'd guess some sort of filtration? I don't wanna strip out all the terps, but the burnt taste is annoying & has me wondering if I'm really fucking combustion by using it.
     
  14. PPN

    PPN Fleurs&Vapeur

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    Thinking to upgrade my enail setup with the TAG sic dish, Is it fitting all nails (infiniti style)? Is it usable with a 20mm barrel coil (my only one at the moment)?

    And did you recommand a carb cap or any would work?
     
  15. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Few questions.

    I have a born/sold date on my live resin, what is the expected shelf life of a live concentrate?


    The next question deserves is own thread. To freeze or refrigerate, or just keep sealed and dark?

    I've always avoided the freezer for flower and concentrates as i did not want to add moisture and condensation to my material, but all bud tenders were recommending the fridge...
     
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  16. rsharpe75

    rsharpe75 New Member

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    I'm so new at this that I haven't even tried it yet so hopefully I'm asking the right questions. My story so far:

    I use to be a smoker (tobacco) and gave up about 3 years ago and now simply vape. The one area where I still find myself smoking is my nightly MJ. I'd like to do this via vape too.

    I found a few listings on AB for things like "10ML RSO Vape Juice" and also "1G RSO Oil". I'm guessing the vape juice is already mixed while the oil can either be ingested or mixed to be used in a vape device.

    If I were to buy the oil, can I mix it with my regular eliquid that is 70/30 (VG/PG)? At what quantities should I mix?

    Bottom line is, I suffer from chronic pain and basically need something that helps me sleep. I'm in the UK so can't walk into a store to buy this and have to rely on the darkweb. The 10ML RSO vape juice sounds like it could be what I'm after but not if it's too weak that I need 5ML at a go.

    Would really appreciate ANY suggestions and advice.

    Thank you.
     
  17. psychonaut

    psychonaut High as fuck

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    Mixing cannabis oil into PG/VG may mix together temporarily but it will eventually separate. Personally I do not recommend to use the PEG400/etc solvents to mix your cannabis oil into, I would better recommend to get a concentrate vape pen with a ceramic dish and add your cannabis oil to the ceramic dish to vaporize. The downside is you have to load it more often, but who knows what the long term effects are from using PEG400. At least with a concentrate pen you have a highly concentrated oil and heat, that's all.

    To answer your question after my suggestion, if you plan to go the route of using it like standard e-liquid except with cannabis oil, there are a couple of products that the oil will completely dissolve into and stay infused. EJMix is one that I remember off the top of my head, there is another as well. It's not very cheap ($1/ml). You could also look into some of the c-juice threads around here to see what others are doing as far as mixing up their own PEG400 mixes to work with cannabis oil. While I was using this method a few years back, I had decent results with 1gr cannabis oil, 2ml of EJMix. 2-4 hits and I was medicated.
     
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  18. rsharpe75

    rsharpe75 New Member

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    Really appreciate the reply and the suggestions. All the cannabis oils I'm seeing start at about $25 for 1g. I'm not sure how cost effective this is considering that I can buy 2.5g of bud for around that. This is why I was looking to mix the oil with eliquid and use it in a dripper.
     
  19. psychonaut

    psychonaut High as fuck

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    Not too bad really, in my mind I equate a gram of concentrate to about 4gr of flower. I'd say it's a better deal for you at $25/gr, but that all depends on the potency. So long as it's around 60-65% and higher it's worth the price.
     
  20. rsharpe75

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    @psychonaut Thanks for clearing that up. So you mix 1g of oil with about 2ml of EJmix. How long does it typically last you on 2-4 hits?
     
  21. psychonaut

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    Hard to answer because I never used it as my sole method of medicating. I would say I got about 20 sessions out of a kanger pro tank 2, 1.5ml capacity. Easily filled the tank about 3 times.
     
  22. muunch

    muunch hotboxing the cockpit

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    How is oil from high CBD strains? Getting something where the buds are <20%THC, not quite sure exact amount of CBD/THC in finished product, but will this just be a like a really stoney indica?
     
  23. acolyte

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    I would assume so, I don't have much experience with mixed CBD/THC strains however. I think I've had some harlequin flower once but not much of it.

    I have some ACDC wax which is 69% CBD and 1% THC. That just makes me feel calm and relaxes my muscles, but I don't do big globs or anything just like .05ish amounts.
     
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  24. StickyShisha

    StickyShisha Well-Known Member

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    ACDC is my favorite flower for making tincture. works great on pain without making me all stoned.
     
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  25. invertedisdead

    invertedisdead trance-form

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    What do you guys think of distillate? I've never tried it.
     

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