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Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by FlyingLow, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. Concupiscient

    Concupiscient Well-Known Member

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    That didn't wrk ... Messy stuff ... Heat application next - "pouring" contents not easy with this small vial, & precious stuff remains on plastic cap & inside vial after cooling down ... Something is missing in this 1st step ... Help, please.
     
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  2. muunch

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    Picking up some sugar wax soon.

    Bad news is I have no clue how to properly use it.

    I have a banger that came with my mini d020 but no idea how crappy it is (assuming it's pretty crappy) but feel like this method would be less fuss than using hemp fiber and tossing bits in one of my vapes.

    I'd like to not have to buy more crap to make it work, and would like to be able to use the wax without mixing with flower.

    I'm sure a similar question has been asked but I don't want to dig through the entire thread. Sorry.
     
  3. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Bangers are awesome. Make it glow, wait 25-30 seconds to cool to a lower temp, then go at it!
     
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  4. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    Will shitty chinaglass bangers break from the heat though?

    Also all I have is a single torch lighter that came with my stickybrick lol. I have some time here anyway, won't be grabbing til next week but don't want it to come and then be like "oh... uh... hm what do I do?"
     
  5. thisperson

    thisperson Ruler of all things person

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    You might need a more powerful torch. I use a newport 6" cigar torch and it does the job well.

    When you said torch lighter...I kept thinking of someone going at it for a bit and not getting results.

    Also, I torch the bottom or the floor of the banger. Get the bottom glowing red. I've been waiting 45 seconds to a minute for those low temp dabs.
     
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  6. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    Cool, I'll grab a triple or quad torch? Or should I just get a brulee torch?
    It's a shame bc I don't really get concentrates too often and really prefer flower but I'm getting hooked up and need to write something up about the wax due to the conditions of being "hooked up."

    Basically, I don't wanna use it in a subpar manner and give out a subpar review as a result.
     
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  7. thisperson

    thisperson Ruler of all things person

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    I suggest a six inch torch at the very least. I've even used the propane torches for plumbers. Those do the job well too. You're looking at a 20 dollar purchase for a newport torch or a plumbers torch. They can be had for a bit cheaper, but they are of lower quality I find.

    I'm sticking to the newports for now.

    I do not recommend any type of jet lighter. Those are puny in comparison. My old 13 dollar brulee torch put out more jet than those and it left something to be desired still. Plus sometimes you need to set the output to maximum and torch clean your banger!
     
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  8. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Propane torches are going to heat your nails much more than others. Propane burns in a way that gets the heat onto whichever conductive surface you are torching much more efficiently. IIRC it also burns hotter than butane to begin with. There is more possibility of oxidizing your nails if you overdo the torching and one should be very careful not to overdo it using such torches :2c:
     
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  9. muunch

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    Appreciate the insights.

    I'd rather not mess with propane right now. I don't think I will use enough concentrate (at least at this point) to properly justify it. Then there is also the fact that I live in a small studio apartment and I don't want to take risks.

    The banger I have is likely garbage glass and I doubt it'll survive for very long. I also have no carbcap etc so this will be fun. I may just opt for the hempfiber+vape method but will see. Shit looks fuego so I'm excited but I don't want to let my friend down by giving spotty insight as to his product.
     
  10. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    To clarify what I said above, actually no amount of dabbing will justify a propane torch. Butane torches are always better suited to the application due to less risk of thermal damage to your nail over time. Even SiC cannot be guaranteed not to oxidize (if SiC oxidizes, it forms quartz so it is not unsafe to use, just won't taste as good/vape as well) if you use a propane torch and that shit is more resistant to heat than most anything out there!

    Got any pics of the oil you've got man? Here's a 300x macro pic of my latest full melt bubble hash (yes, I made it myself :D) to get the pictures rolling lol:

    [​IMG]
     
  11. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Blazer Bigshot gt800. The last torch you will ever buy.
     
  12. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    @herbivore21

    I won't have any pictures until later this week when I get it, but from what I've seen, it's orange as FUCK.
    He has a newer batch that he said is darker in color and 1% higher in thc, but we'll see.

    "Sour D sugar wax (78% THC 82% THCA)
    Made in a lab by one of the boutique brands all high-end dispensaries have in stock. Retails for 45-50/g."

    This is the info I was given. The pictures I have seen aren't worth posting as the ones I take will be better quality.
     
  13. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Orange is a normal color to see in BHO and other solvent extracts, due to the heat involved in processing.

    As an aside, rosin tek was what made me realize that the heat was what was a likely culprit involved here. At first, I thought that the age of the flowers might be a cause too, but I find that flowers that have been properly cured in mason jars with 62% humidity packs for 9 months still give pale yellow rosin at low temps. When you jack the temp up, you start to get orange or darker rosin from these flowers.

    Flowers that have been left in overly warm/dry/light conditions for too long or that were harvested VERY LATE IN FLOWER (majority amber resin heads) will give darker resin regardless of the method of extraction and this has to be considered. One other indicator that heat has a role in this orange color in BHO is that I have NEVER gotten an orange color from full melt hash.

    On the other hand whole cannabis resin glands (full melt) can take on many shades (pink, all kinds of brown, beige and white, even purple!), but I have never had orange from full melt bubble hash (which is processed cold unlike rosin and solvent extracts).

    Of course your buddy probably didn't have any problem storing the flowers if he is producing professionally from the sound of it :) The orange is no doubt just indicative of the purge - as I say, most solvent extracts have this color and it is not a negative, nor positive sign of quality :)

    One confusing detail from the info you give is that you cannot possibly have 78% of THC and 82% THCA in the same batch!!! That equals more than 100%!

    If the former figure is an estimated transfer efficiency (that is how much active THC actually gets into your body when you consume) then this figure is not very useful - since we all can consume our meds differently with various different setups that have different efficiency in this regard.

    82% THCA is a high THCA level though, to be expected from a good solvent extract. What is much more telling of the quality though, is what is the % of total terpenes in there? Of course your buddy may not have this information as not all extract artists get terpene analyses when they get products tested.

    Please do share pics when you get it, I'm always interested to see the work of professionals :D
     
  14. muunch

    muunch zzzzz

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    I certainly will share pics. I admit to not being knowledgeable about extracts, as the only time I had BHO (back in like 2011??) it was darrrk green and sticky AF (like... it ended up all over my clothes/desk/etc etc) but smelled STRONG of like pine needles. I can almost get the taste back just thinking about it. I just smoked all of that on top of flowers lol, didn't really use it in the most proper way but damn, it was good.

    However, I don't know if this shit was even "good" by proper standards.

    The flowers I get from this guy are easily the best I ever had, but I'm not positive if he's the grower or just a middleman etc. He always has TONS of stock etc and I've never had poorly cured/trimmed stuff from him, which is almost a miracle considering the inconsistency I've experience with most other people.

    Interested to see what this is like - those who have tried it say it's quite good.

    I'll try and have him clarify on the %s but I'm not going to get myself too worked up about it. It's not like I can pick and choose. Plus this is technically FREEEEEEEEEE (well, I'm exchanging some words for it but lol)
     
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  15. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    If the flowers are great, then this is a good sign my friend :D A big part of making the best extracts is starting with high quality material. There are other factors of course but they're off to a good start with good flowers. ;)
     
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  16. ginolicious

    ginolicious Well-Known Member

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    Did some home made concentrate and I'm struggling to get it off my parchment paper into my haze V3 oil can. I am using a metal pic that came with the Vape but I seem to be pulling huge dabs off. I only want to grab the smallest piece cause I'm a light weight regardless on what I Vape. Should I be using two tools to pull it off or am I just baked off my ass?
     
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  17. Concupiscient

    Concupiscient Well-Known Member

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  18. throwawaytre3s

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    Whoa, what's this about a mini d020? Could you toss me a link?
     
  19. muunch

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  20. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    Heat your metal tool with a flame quickly, then try...
     
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  21. thisperson

    thisperson Ruler of all things person

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    Sounds like it's shatter. What I do with mine is pre-warm it with my finger and then cut some with my fingernail. Roll it into a bb, then drop in my banger when ready.

    There's a certain technique in warming it just right and not too much plus knowing when to cut and cooling before rolling into a bb. I used to have some that would stick to the fingers, but I haven't had that problem in a while.
     
  22. oklahomie

    oklahomie Well-Known Member

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    What would you guys consider a strong THC % for shatter?
     
  23. thisperson

    thisperson Ruler of all things person

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    I don't get a percentage. I just try to get the blondiest shatter I can.

    Lab testing will eventually be commonplace, I think. Just not now and in my area.

    I've heard I think it was Liquid Gold? No it was some other company that I think had gold in its product name that claimed it was 90 percent thc. I think I paid 65 or 70 for a gram of the stuff. It came packaged in a vape cartridge and was oil. Really blonde oil though. Golden tinged.

    The range of percentages I've seen for shatter are 70-80. I'm not aware what all the spectrum is though.
     
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  24. Pimpslapper

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    Going to try a test run on qwiso Monday with about 3g decent green. I got pure iso, and grinded the bud right into a small Mason jar (so as not to lose the kief to my kief catcher). Both are on the balcony until Monday (-10c over the weekend) i will do a 20 second wash and dump into a funnel through a fine mesh wire strainer then through a non bleached coffee filter into a glass dish.

    My question is, I have to hide it, so can I let it evaporate outside in below freezing Temps? Time is no issue. I plan to cover with cheese cloth to avoid contaminants coming in
    Thanks!
    Pimp
     
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  25. looney2nz

    looney2nz Research Geek, Mad Scientist

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    how would it evaporate in below freezing weather?
     
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