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CO2 Oil vs Other Concentrates

Discussion in 'ABV' started by Jman5280, Apr 15, 2014.

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  1. Jman5280

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    I'm concerned about effects of using BHO and I am thinking about switching to CO2 Oil or finding something cleaner. I have read about people using CO2 oil instead of BHO for piece of mind, and even though its less potent, it still gets you high.

    For me I would prefer piece of mind since nobody really knows the truth about BHO and its possible concerns. Smoking metals, coating my lungs, inhaling butane over time with possible effects on the CNS and brain damage, and just the idea of inhaling butane...this all sounds too risky for me. Sure it could all be BS but nobody knows. There are all these people here on this forum that say "there is no proof it is bad for you, and until there is I will keep using" well there is also no proof it is safe and until its proven somewhat safe I will keep my distance. I know I am not the only one in this boat with this line of thinking.

    Why do you use CO2 oil?

    Do you think or find that it is safer to use than other concentrates?

    Anything to be concerned about with CO2 Oil?






    *This thread is for me to learn more about CO2 and help my situation, this is not a duplicate thread.
    If you don't have a comment relevant to the topic please stay out.

    Just filled up a Gentleman's v2 cartridge with about .25 grams of CO2 oil.

    It tasted awesome but it went quick. It vaped up in about 10-15 rips. Seems like I should have got more hits... Does CO2 oil burn faster than wax/shatter?

    A BB size of shatter gives me 3-5 decent rips and .25 would probably give me 100 rips. Why so much less from CO2 oil? Or did I mess up?
     
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  2. Caligula

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    Yes it goes very fast because of how thin it is compared to BHO. Same "size" (volume), different mass (density). Also, properly done BHO can have basically zero residuals. Basically, they are so low, it reads below the testing minimum detectable limits (50PPM typically). Prime and Rump are two that do this. Also, there are "solventless" extracts. Basically BHO that has had extra steps taken to remove all solvents. Sadly, this can effect flavor if not done REALLY well. The Clear concentrates are a good example of this. If you can, get your stuff from clubs that send their meds out for testing. Thats your safest best.
     
  3. Jman5280

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    Thanks @Caligula

    Is full melt ice hash also as clean as CO2 oil? I just don't trust shatter, I don't know any dispensary that has lab results and can guarantee. I have to assume if butane went in, there is still some left. My bud tender today said he was talking with one of the labs here in CO and they said that mostly every time concentrates test for traces, and more often than not test high for butane.

    I'm assuming I held my button down too much on each hit. If done properly, Will a gram of CO2 last as long as say a gram of shatter?
     
  4. Caligula

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    Yes ice wax/hash is fine. To make it you use cold and agitation. There are no solvents involved. The problem is that its not a pure concentrate and will leave plant matter behind which is undesirable if using in a pen. Best bet for using that stuff is a Hercules.

    Oh and I find CO2 oil always goes faster.

    BTW, you ever burn bowls? I was talking to one of the major labs and they stated the average amount of (not pure) butane you get by lighting a bowl with a Bic style lighter is 700-1200PPM. This is higher than a lot of the A and B grade BHO you see out there. Well in CA at least. Just something to think about and weight against things.

    Anyway, see if you can get your hands on some Matt Rize Ice Wax. That stuff is bomb and is pure. No solvents. Also look for solventless stuff like The Clear concentrate.

    http://www.clearconcentrate.org/#!
     
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  5. Jman5280

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    Will full melt ice hash still have plant matter? Doesn't full melt mean no plant matter?

    Is ethanol oil considered solvent-less when it's complete? How does it compare to CO2, will it burn fast on a dab?
     
  6. Bouldorado

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    Solvent-less means no solvent was used to extract the THC/other actives. Bubble hash/ice wax is solvent-less. CO2 oil is solvent-less. And that's about it; pretty much everything else on the market uses a solvent: be it ethanol, isopropyl, butane, or some other -ane.
     
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  7. Caligula

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    Actually that's a misnomer. Solventless can still be a concentrate which was extracted using butane or any other solvent (butane, C02, ethanol, methanol, isopropyl alcohol, etc...). The classification comes from further refining the product to the point where there are no detectable residuals from the initial extraction process. As I was saying earlier, The Clear concentrate is a good example of this. Its considered a "solventless" extract, even though its starts out as regular BHO. Further refinement strips any residual solvents from the mix (as well as terps, sadly) which is how it comes to be billed as "solventless". Pure Gold is another example here.

    Ice hash/wax is really the closest you can currently get to a solvent based concentrate, but (and to answer @Jman5280 ) there will still ALWAYS be residual matter left over. Doesn't matter if its "full melt" "super melt" or any other kind of melt. Also, "full melt" just denotes that it will liquefy when heated.
     
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  8. Jman5280

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    is Cold Ethanol extraction going still have solvents left over? or do they evaporate 100% like CO2?
     
  9. Bouldorado

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    I've never before heard "solvent-less" refer to hash made with anything other than CO2 or ice and water. Clear concentrate might be 99.99% solvent-free, but if they used anything other than CO2 or H20, they're just hopping on the "solvent-less" branding train. I very rarely care to debate specific terminology, but I feel there is an important distinction between "solvent-less" and "solvent-free".

    A solvent chemically dissolves the solute (trichomes in this case) and creates a solution. A simple example is salt water; you cannot physically separate the salt and water after the salt is dissolved. Hashes made with alcohols and alkanes (-ane chemicals; i.e butane, propane, hexane) are chemically extracted, which is why purging is so important..

    On the other hand, "solvent-less" hashes are mechanically extracted. A simple example is water and plastic beads (or really anything that's insoluble). The fluid simply serves as a carrier for the trichomes (combined they are called a mixture) and can be physically separated (i.e. with a coffee filter). Ice, water, dry ice, and dry sifting are all methods of mechanical extraction. I would have grouped CO2 in here, but after doing some reading, it seems that in the super/subcritical state required for extraction, it behaves more like a solvent.

    This site has a description of the popular cannabis solvents: http://www.cannlabs.com/the-science/extraction/
     
  10. darkrom

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    I'm waiting to try co2 oil, but I believe it will be my favorite since it is nothing at all to worry about inhaling.

    Do consider ethanol hash though. The way I see it you can drink a shot of everclear, what's the worst that happens if you vape a few parts per million?
     
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