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Discussion in 'E-cig Based Portables' started by UpUpandAway, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Howdy! Welcome to the fun, IMO you've just done a great introduction will all that first hand information and summary of a popular segment of the market.

    Have you ever tried 2.4 Omicron carts? A lot of us are quite fond of them and find them long lived and fairly trouble free given good grade concentrates to work with. I was wondering how you think they compare?

    TIA

    OF
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  2. mrxscarface

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    I have tried the 2.4 cart, but I have never owned one. I felt like it didn't produce that much vapor... I read that the 1.5 produces more, but in reality I don't really trust pre-filled cartridges. A majority of them are made with glycerin (therefore lacking in potency in comparison to other forms of hash oils). I don't have any experience filling an empty cart myself though. If an Omicron can hold any type of wax, and not just oils, then I might consider buying one. (I've only tried the pre-filled carts). The size of the Omicron is also an issue with me, since I really like the sleekness of the Cloud.

    In reality, like I said before, all these vaporizers are cheap Chinese made products. It really is hit or miss with them. I've read both glory and horror stories with all of them. I'm just lucky enough to have a glory story with my Cloud, and unlucky enough to have horror stories with the others.
  3. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Well not all. Omicron is different IMO in that is a custom make purpose made unit. Delta 9 has significant control of them, toxic materials are excluded for the most part (some worry about lead in the solder and the like) and are a class of their own IMO. Revolution/DART (rapidly getting very hard to find) are made in the US from the best medical grade materials available. They are intended to last a very long time and can literally be boiled clean again.

    So I think you have options out there. I too don't like preloads, I think you get a better grade of concentrate if you buy it as such. It's really very easy to load them properly, if you understand and follow directions. Loaded correctly 2.4 Ohm carts will do the job very well IMO. Many of us use them exclusively. Higher power ones are harder to control. Amateurs try to 'get over' by ordering hotter carts without bothering to learn what they're up to. Not surprisingly the results are often poor.

    D9 makes a nice funnel type loading tool, some of us prefer a toothpick to plug the tube and a dollar "Walton number 10 cake decorator tip" instead:
    http://www.delta9vapes.com/pdf/Omicron_Fill_Instructions_v3.pdf

    So yes, most any kind of oil or wax works well. In general the firmer and lighter in color the better, but that's just a guideline. The best test is to evaporate a bit off some foil with you lighter. If it vapes off clean with little or no residue you're good to load.

    Good luck, but I think you owe it to yourself to try them, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

    OF
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  4. mrxscarface

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    Damn, you should be a sales person for Omicron. I didn't know about Omicrons' medical grade materials or manufacturing, so that's great to hear. The firmer and lighter in color? I'm guessing the honeycombs or crumbles are good? I've actually been on Nectar waxes only lately...but the consistency is not firm at all. (I have pictures, but I'm not sure if posting pictures of concentrates by themselves, not in a device, is allowed).

    Quick question...how is their return policy? My friend has one that broke, and hasn't replaced it yet. Do they have as good of a replacement policy as other vapes?
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  5. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    No rules against posting pictures of concentrates, but if you took them on your own cellphone or camera you'd want to upload it to someplace like www.imgur.com before posting to remove personal data :-P

    I've never had nectar wax leak in my omicron and it works very well.

    If you don't see a wrench next to someone's name on FC, they aren't a salesman. Unless they only have a few posts, then it there's no telling.
  6. mrxscarface

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    In thaaaat case...

    http://i.imgur.com/1GXdq.jpg

    http://i.imgur.com/y7k2h.jpg

    OF could very easily be a sale person for them!

    I'm going to see if my friend can get a replacement for his Omicron to try it out. Hopefully he can so I can try it out. I'm pretty happy with my Cloud, so I'd have to be blown away by the Omicron. (Is it true that it's possible to get upwards of 300 hits off of one gram?)
  7. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Careful, I said Revolution/DART was made with medical grade materials, not Omicron. Omicron has eliminated junk like poly fill and some of the strange (almost scary) plastics you find in e-cigs. There is still silica rope in there (a big goal for the updated version, 1701, now in test, is to eliminate this), lead in the solder, unknown grade silicone rubber and other areas of concern to some. Personally I use them but would rather have better materials....I'm going to switch to 1701 when it's sorted out as I assume most Omicron users will.

    Yes, I've had great results with honeycombs and similar concentrates with a couple of exceptions including a highly recommended (by a sincere bud tender) taffy. Too much plant junk, fouled it out right away. It failed the 'foil test' (after the fact), still cost me fifty bucks. Worked OK in DART though, I just boiled it after the gram was gone. It was nice otherwise.

    Who is "they"? If it's D9 they're great on hardware problems in my experience. Twice they've promptly replaced failed gear. I've also had two bad carts (broken/missing heaters), both times DubC (the local rep) replaced them in person without issue. "Open a ticket" with them (ask for service using the web page) and see what happens?

    Good luck.

    OF
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  8. SD_haze

    SD_haze MMJ Vaporist

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    I would be very surprised if that failed the "foil test" which means it should work well.
    (Foil test=put a tiny bit of wax on tin foil and heat it up to see if it leaves a lot of residue as it boils off)

    Hits per gram doesn't work because everyone takes different sized hits. Plus, its not recommended to load full grams at once anymore (forget the exact number, .7 or .5). It is a thorough extraction but spaced out over a longer period than dabs. Not for everyone, but I like both.
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  9. mrxscarface

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    Friend opened a ticket, and they're upgrading him!

    The Nectar passes the foil test beautifully. (I actually use various cheap glass nails to test my waxes on. Never thought to use foil...has to be cheaper than my method though!).

    If none of you have tried it, the 24k Nitro Gold wax (liquid nitrogen extraction) sounds like it would be the best wax for the Omicrons. The Nitro wax burns completely clean, leaving zero residue. It's kind of trippy, but it really leaves none. (It's also the only wax that is 100% organic...allegedly).
  10. Concentrated Cripness

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    Alright look, I'm really sorry that I got so mad so fast and I insulted you and the people who liked your post. I hadn't been on here in a few weeks and i was just checking the thread on my phone and got so worked up reading your response that I responded in haste. I forget my manner on forums quite often, I apologize. However that does NOT lessen the validity of the rest of my post.

    I would like to add that I only got so mad because I have already given a nice little report on the pros and cons of the pen, yet the last thing posted on this thread for weeks was you claiming the pen creates vapor from nothing. I've given up caring if anyone looks into the cloud, since apparently some people have already decided against it just cause of my manners without bother. People who read every word of what they are reading and have some common sense will understand what I'm saying and that's all i care about.

    Anyway, I'll move on and keep my response as civil as possible.




    I see that you are going to argue semantics a bit, I'll ignore all that. I was just pointing out how many people liked what you said about the cheap pen sucking, without realizing you have never done a dry run with it...and therefore claiming things you can't know.

    Regarding the "*burn*", the cloud is a very simple pen. You may put your oil far from the coil, and vape it without worry while holding the button down for days, or you may put your oil right on the coil and press the button for 1 second (or sometimes less) intrevals. When i mentioned smoke its because based on the response you gave, you are burning (well actually dabbing) your oil, nobody else has reported this and I only did the first day I got it. Since this is operator error, don't blame this on the pen please.

    You go on to discuss my comment on exposed atomizer. My response is that you please show me an E-CIG with an exposed atomizer exactly like the cloud, or even similar to the cloud in the sense that the material is touching the coil. Obviously the atomizer itself is e-cig tech, but the actual bowl and heating system is not really, its adapted enough to be called its own technology, in my opinion. But to each his own i guess...





    Ok, let me use a real word example. I have a dab setup, if you don't know, that is a glass waterpipe with a system attached that allows me to combust oil at a heat between true vaping and true smoking. Every single time I take a dab, I get new resin on my waterpipe and attachment. This resin builds up and is very smoke/vapeable, but not very pleasant. One thing I notice, is that when I heat my attachment (nail) to a higher temp for my hits, I notice more resin builds up.

    Your dart is a beautiful piece of vape tech. In fact, its so high quality that it is very hard to burn oil with it if you are using it right. Hash vapors leave far less resin than dab smoke.

    Back to the cloud, my point is that you are getting your oil close to as hot as a dab, which is combustion, and will leave resin every time. This resin is not something to be worried about healthwise, its just a nuisance. You are used to a nicer vape that was built to avoid "dabbing" your oil inside, so you have not encountered this substance I understand now. Sorry again for snapping at you the other day, I now realize you just didn't know what you were seeing.
  11. Concentrated Cripness

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    This resin will create vapor or smoke (whichever you prefer) for a longer period of time than the original oil did before becoming resin. If you make sure not to burn your oil in the least bit, you won't encounter this substance.

    It is not more efficient than your dart, thats rediculous, your are just running your cloud a bit hot, creating a faster bowl and a new substance that scared me the first time i dealt with it too. It's also very dark when created in the cloud, which is unnerving as hell.

    I promise you, learn to use the cloud on a cooler temp (less button holding or oil high above the coil) and you will see less and then none of this substance appearing, and your bowls will be more similar to a high quality vape.



    -I have answered the first one, but I will clarify for the "skimmers" all over this place. The "crust" (mine is always, soft, not hard), is called resin. It appears when you combust your oil, and in tiny invisible (mostly) amounts when vaping.
    There is thc in it, the thc as well as plant waxes and other cannabinoids are creating the vapor, nothing to be worried about, there is no scientifically sound explanation for ANYTHING else somehow inserting itself into your pen simply because its cheap...[​IMG]

    -I am not sure, I have never studied it in depth. My earlier point was simply that the atomizer is exposed, which would be useless in an e-cig (which uses carts and liquids) but very useful for a simple vaporizer. I assume not much else has been done, I have found no evidence that anything else has been done, and I see no reason to do anything else. I can assure you though there is no "magical vapor" creation system hidden in there.



    See this is why I got so snappy. It died the second day you got it? So you don't charge your things overnight? My omnicron dies in 2 days too...and the cloud charges at least 4 or 5 times faster. Its a tiny battery, bring your charger around with you if its a problem.

    I just mean you seem to take any shot you can at this pen, which points to you having a bias towards it in your head, and the reason I guessed you have this bias is that its cheap.

    Sorry for the harsh words the first time around, but you are trying to discredit the device. I don't mean you are malevolently scheming to lie and make people think its evil, I mean you are only giving reasons you found NOT to use it, when your main reason could have been explained if you read my earlier post that said I dry ran it first...and that is not the kind of discussion that will truly better this website. When someone goes out on a mission to find all the bad they can in something, it tends to be easy to twist facts and speculate to make your point. We need unbiased reporting on this site, for everyone's sake.


    But your right, you are entitled to share your opinion, as am I, and that is what we call a circular argument so let's avoid and discuss facts about the pen instead of more semantics. I was using hyperbole when calling you an idiot obviously, meaning you were only being an idiot for one post on one website for about 30 seconds of your life, I was obviously not calling you an idiot overall.
  12. Concentrated Cripness

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    I see now that you must not understand that you were still burning resin, and that you need to run your pen cooler to avoid this. I hope you can understand my name-calling though, which was mostly in response to you saying the words "magically creates vapor out of nothing" and then posting a picture of a resin filled bowl. I know what you said was probably miss-phrased, and an exaggeration, but i also was already very angry and responding in haste.

    And I assumed an agenda based on your words, look at them a few times and tell me you don't see where I'm coming from.



    I broke out laughing when I read this. I've seen 30+ people get high from this pen first try, many cases of a bowl a while ago.
    You are claiming you put a high-THC containing oil onto a hot coil, inhaled the resulting vapor/smoke (sounds like your smoking over there), and got only a headache? Give me a scientific explanation for how this is possible and I'll send you my omnicron, cloud, and first born kid the second i see it.

    You're lying, that's impossible, unless you mixed up your oil and regular butter [​IMG]

    Sorry, you proved yourself yet again to have uncanny bias against this pen, and if you continue to claim extraordinary things about it, I will continue to defeat you with logic (that's what this post was, not the last one haha).

    And I'm also sorry for what I said earlier, doesn't mean I am any less right though.
  13. Concentrated Cripness

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    • When you start "sorry for the personal attack" you automatically get an infraction. No flaming.

    You are what I don't like to see on this website, sorry for the personal attack, but I have read a lot of your posts. You argue with intense bias and this is not the first time I have seen you disregard a pen because its "primary defender" is using a mean argument. I mean come on OF, do i represent Cloud to you? Am I the pen? Is what i say and how i say it a reflection of its effectiveness? NO. That's hilarious you say I have discredited it though.

    You're a really smart guy, read the post I was responded to when I used my "pointed personal attack". He claims the pen creates vapor from magic, using the word magically. He also shows he does not know what resin is, obviously I got off to a mean start, but anyone should be able to read my earlier posts and then his and see why I got so mad.

    You just like to discredit cheap pens and then (hey look you actually did it in this forum) bring up the expensive ones, when we know for a fact that you know the people that make them. We don't care what the omnicron is made out of for this discussion, talk about it somewhere else. We are discussing the cloud, which you don't own, have never used (correct me if I am wrong) and therefore don't know much about.

    Your only contributions earlier in the thread were to claim the Cloud is an e-cig, when you had never seen one. Then when i gave solid evidence about a large difference between the Cloud and a plastic e-cig, you went and hid and "followed with some interest" until you could come out and talk some more smack to me and about this pen.

    I am going to take your arguments head on, how has my "abuse" discredited the pen exactly? I have given more than enough info about this pen to counter anything you have to say about it (which isn't much) , so please do some research and come back and prove this pen is a piece of shit and we should all ignore it cause I'm mean.

    If you don't have real info to add please don't respond with semantics, people will just have to sift through more BS when looking for real info on the pen.
  14. Concentrated Cripness

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    Here everyone, Grenco Science has created an exact, part-for-part copy of the Cloud.
    https://grencoscience.myshopify.com/collections/all/products/microg






    The caveat is that they sell them in packs of two, but with only one charger. They are a great replacement for someone who owned a cloud, since they would then have two chargers and could even sell the second set they now have, OR people who like to be safe could just buy the pair and have a backup.

    So i guess the cloud design got noticed by someone, interesting to see how this plays out, maybe Grenco can create attachments for it.


    In the mean time I leave you with this.
    Want to hit your cloud through some glass?
    You need:
    -Delta9's clear silicone mouthpiece-tips
    http://www.delta9vapes.com/products.php?product=Clear-Silicon-Tips-6-piece
    -Some nice tubing, I use this, medical grade of course:
    http://www.amazon.com/Arizer®-Whip-90°-Glass-Elbow/dp/B0081HA7L6
    And a glass elbow, which comes with that tube above.
    -(OPTIONAL) If you have a dab setup, like me, with a male 18mm joint coming out of it, you will also need an Arizer bowl piece:
    http://arizer.com/store/en/heater-parts/17-glas-cyclone-bowl.html
    -(OPTIONAL) If you only own glass with 14mm joints, this will make it all come together:
    http://www.bongoutlet.ca/adapter-14mm-p-742.html

    ^These are very common, and sold in most places that sell glass.

    That's all the parts! It may seem a bit much to some, but because of the high heat the cloud can achieve so quickly, I have been able to get this system to get me much higher than dabs can, with MUCH less oil used. I hardly vape or smoke or dab any other way now, same with everyone that knows me.

    Tutorial:
    First, get your silicone mouthpiece tip. Take the mouthpiece off of your cloud to expose the bowl. Slide the Omni tip right over the bowl, so the narrow side you hit from is facing you. Nice fit huh?
    [​IMG]





    Then, push the narrow end of the mouth-tip into the open end of the tubing. Your cloud is now attached to an 18mm glass on glass joint!!! I think you can figure the rest out :)
    [​IMG]


    If you have a dab setup, and you bought the bowl, you just put the joint into the top of the bowl (black side) and slide the bowl onto your dabber. Awesome right?
    [​IMG]



    If you have a 14mm, put the joint on the tube into your attachment, and put the attachment into your glass.

    *The thick resin in my tube is NOT from using it for this, it is from when I owned an Arizer V Tower and used this tube for it, for vaporizer herbs.
    **I like to call it e-dabbing :)
    ***It will work with the Grenco Micro!

    Thanks for reading, I hope you all have as much fun with this as I do!
  15. cubby

    cubby Active Member

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    how many consecutive posts are actually needed???
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    These posts are so long the forum software doesn't support merging them.
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  17. UpUpandAway

    UpUpandAway YWF

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    CC, thanks for your reply. A forum where members can discuss the pros and cons of a device in a civil manner benefits everyone.

    I admit that I am not familiar with oil rigs and the resulting resin; my introduction to the world of concentrates like wax was through vape pens, so I wasn't familiar with concentrate resin. That's why I figured that there was "nothing" there.

    When I said that it died in 2 days, I meant that the heating element died. The button still lit up, but the coil wouldn't heat up. They sell replacement heating elements ($10 I think?), but needing to purchase a replacement part after 2 days isn't the best spot to be in. After consideration, it appears I received a faulty unit.

    I'm not trying to take any shot that I can; I'm just sharing my experience. As I mentioned, I really want to like the cloud pen. I am willing and eager to hear the experiences of others. My post was based on my experience alone; one data point is far from ideal, so the more experiences shared, the better I (and everyone else) can re-evaluate my original opinion.

    Do you have a method for holding oil/wax above the coil? I would be willing to give it a go.

    After some reflection, I think you may be right; I may have gone into my post with a subconscious bias against the pen because of its price point. I did mention things that I liked about the cloud pen (size, aesthetic, ease of use), but I think that part may have gotten lost because it was at the very beginning of my post and very short.

    Completely agree. Going forward, I will be sure to share pros along with cons; if imo one outnumbers the other, then it is what it is.

    I appreciate your apology. As this particular thread has shown, you have a lot to share, but I feel like you turned a lot of people off with the tone of your response to my review. Just as I may have unfairly judged the cloud pen, people (myself included) may have unfairly discredited your arguements because they came off as personal attacks.

    Your more recent reply is exactly what I was hoping to see in response to my review; civil, intelligent discussion addressing things that I hadn't considered.

    :peace:
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  18. mrxscarface

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    Where did you purchase the Cloud? Online? If you are a medical marijuana patient in Southern California, I know where you can get replacements for $25 for 5. ($10 apiece still though). The Clouds, literally, are hit or miss. You either get a piece of shit, or one that works for days a long time. If you really want to like the pen, I'd say get the whole unit replaced (the coil malfunctioning could be just a bad coil, but it might be a bigger problem).

    As for holding the wax above the coil... I haven't found any really effective ways. HOWEVER, I am currently shaving down a cheap glass screen (that will heat quickly) to see if I can fit it in my cloud properly. I'll let everyone know if it works (with pictures).
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    UpUpandAway YWF

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    I purchased my cloud at the kush expo in LA. Yup, I'm an mmj patient and have seen the cloud at a few collectives and tobacco shops. I'll pm you to get the name of that spot where they have replacements.

    Thanks!
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    Does any one know where to buy the replacement micro g tanks/ cloud vapez atomizers?

    I was about to buy one from the cloudvapez site but they use paypal
  21. jhpfunk

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    I bought a Cloud yesterday to take on vacation. It came with an extra cartridge so I can toss the dirty one before I fly back. Bought some wax today to take. Been offered FM bubble hash. Will that work too? I'm extremely informed on herbs. Concentrates almost nothing. Any recommendations for concentrates to use in my cloud and take on vacation?
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    Fully Melted It's OK to enjoy your medicine.

    Bubble hash won't work and will just make a mess of the cloud heater... I'd stick with the wax.
    The Cloud needs room temperature stable oil, budder or wax to work.
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    I know of some spots around orange county that sell the replacements. but nothing online.
  24. jhpfunk

    jhpfunk Well-Known Member

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    I bought one of these off of a seller after reading this thread. I was looking for something portable and if necessary, disposable. Took it south of the boarder and it was a champ...until I overloaded the atomizer cartridge with wax and it stopped working. I put in a new one and it worked just fine. Lesson learned. Overall, I'm happy with the unit. It's not the highest quality, but it does the trick very discretely. The battery life is exceptional. My only wish is that it could hold more wax so that you don;t have to also transport a container of wax for extended outings.

    I too would like to know of a resource for more carts/atomizers. I just ordered 3 from cloudvapez.com because I couldn't find them anywhere else.
  25. eezy

    eezy New Member

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    I really like my cloud, the element or cart as some call it, has gone out a few times but that's what I get for digging at it with a dabber. I have owned it for 6 months, I own a g pen and a hit it once pen. But the cloud is my favorite, it seems like i get bigger rips from it and the batt lasts longer than the g pen. All these pens are cheaply made in china, but I would buy another and not think twice.

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