Cloud Pen by CPA

Has anyone seen or tried the Cloud Pen from CPA? Unfortunately, I couldn't find a dedicated website for it (sorry, I know that's one of the criteria for this forum but I didn't know where else to post this).



I found it at a dispensary in Santa Ana, CA, where they were selling it for $60. I took a look at the heating core, which is basically an atomizer with the heating element fully exposed.

Pretty much a knock-off Ovale ELIPS, no?



http://www.ovaleusa.com/shop/Electronic-Cigarette-Kits/elips-Kit-Black

FYI, I don't have an ELIPS myself.

When the dude at the dispensary hit the button while the mp was removed, it looked like it was producing some thick vapor similar to the youtube vid. I also really like the size. However, if this is just e-cig tech then I doubt that I'm going to get it.

He also mentioned that a lot of people would come back because they would break the wire heating element. It's a fragile setup, so the wire can be broken easily if you're pushing concentrate onto it.

This is also sold under the Atmos name and Transporter name.....

Hey I have one of these Clouds in my hand right now. Some people are mistaken about the specific design and application. It is not a rebranding of the ELIPS, the Atmos Thermo, or the The Transporter, not exactly anyway. These all use a PLASTIC cart. You put your oil inside plastic. The Cloud does NOT have a removable cart. You place your oil onto metal directly above the heating element. There is no plastic cartridge involved. The pen itself appears to be plastic but I don't see how this could be getting hot. This device produces a very large amount of vapor, it runs a bit hot though. I could post pictures if anyone likes. I hope we can have a real discussion about this device, it saddens me how quickly users of this forum will attack something new just because it is shaped like an atmos/e cig. The shape is rather nice, and the system is markedly different. So anyone else who's actually seen/hit this device have something to add?

Hey CC, thanks for jumping into the thread.

I haven't used the cloud pen myself, but I saw it at a dispensary. The size had me interested, so I googled it and found the youtube vid.

I later saw the elips at a vape shop and thought that they looked eerily similar.

Can you post some pics? Or better yet, a demo vid would be awesome.

Thanks!

Chubbs from CPA is a... very sketchy individual. I had an account on Nuggetry (his site, "honest and accurate" my fucking ass) before I got banned from there... he put up a video from a few years ago where he was shown displaying the worst-looking excuse for "oil" that I've ever seen. It looked SO green and bad, similar to my QWISO oil made with ABV. Anyways, I saw the video right as it was posted, and noticed that a guy had commented on the oil, questioning the quality and why he was passing that on to his patients... not 10 minutes later I see the comment again... except it changed. It was something like "Keep the throwback videos coming, Chubbs!"

WHOA. He changed a comment. And then a secondary one as well. When I made a similar comment, it was changed within 5 minutes. I made another one asking why my comments were changed, they were valid concerns, etc. Changed and banned. I got banned for calling him out on HIS bullshit. And I wasn't the only one that had that happen to on that video, and I suspect it has been happening for months if not years. To see a "Cloud Pen" being sold at his place doesn't surprise me, although I can't deny that he has some cool stuff there too (Tetra Labs has a sublingual spray tincture, how cool!).

Anyways I found this on google...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silver-Clou...836?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d540007c

Thanks for the good info, Q.

That shit on nuggetry is definitely sketchy.

What's CPA? Are the folks behind the cloud pen related in someway to atmos? I think I remember the budtender saying something like that.

Ok, I made a LiveLeak and posted a few pics and a short video for you to all get a better idea of how this pen works. Sorry I don't have time for a demo video right now, but it would be short if i made one. That metal piece filled with oil is very shallow, but oil melts deeper inside the unit every time you hit it, which makes me think the entire cart may be hidden from view. You place a small amount of oil inside the metal and hit it. It takes no preheating and you do not have to hit it for very long to get a very large hit.

Pros:
-Small, very light. Discreet
-Creates far more vapor than I achieve with my Omicron v2, or any pen I have tried so far, sorry it just runs hotter.
-No learning curve, none, I don't see how you could have trouble figuring this out.
-NO PLASTIC CART, clearly metal. No plastic gets heated with this unit.

Cons:
-A bit smellier than other units due to the high heat.
-Uses oil A LOT faster than my v2---clearly the reason it gets me so high.
-Due to its price and how new it is, I would not expect it to last very long
-The cart is not removable, so the entire pen will break at some point, making this a fairly disposable device.

Overall i would call this a very potent and effective DISPOSABLE device, it is not even in the same league as Delta9 or Thermovape in terms of quality, and I don't see how you can contact the customer service department of a company no one can locate on the internet. However, it serves a purpose my other pens and ones I have tried cannot--it gets me much higher much faster, and doesn't feel like such a different high from conventional means like my Omi does.
I hope this helps clarify the differences between this device and a re-branded e-cig, but I would not allow this to be your long-term choice in personal vaporizing.



ETA:
Sorry, I only embedded the video. Follow these links for photos:

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s...1b4db65f5e99818bad39e4e42dad04ebd&ec_rate=300

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s...1b4db65f5e99818bad39e4e42dad04ebd&ec_rate=300

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s...1b4db65f5e99818bad39e4e42dad04ebd&ec_rate=300

CPA is a collective (California Patients Association) up in Santa Ana, unless you meant that CPA is another company making it... maybe it's the collective that's re-branding them as "theirs" similarly to how businesses get pens with their names on it.

Re: high vapor output, I used to have two "cheap-o" e-cigs that kept putting out vapors even when there wasn't any juice in there to vaporize... needless to say I have not used one since I realized that.

Hey, I doubt you will find anyone here having much good to say about Chubbs. However, this pen is obviously not made by CPA, it's just being sold there. I live far north from Anaheim and I know a guy getting these pens from someone there, and it ain't Chubbs/Nuggetry/CPA. If you have some info on who makes these, I would love to hear it. I'm not flaming you or anything, just pointing out that just because CPA sells something and Nuggetry is sketchy, it does not mean this pen is sketchy.

And not that it matters, but the best oil I ever have used is green, i have some with me right now, it means there was a larger-than-normal time of contact with the plant matter and the butane, it really has no effect on THC content, safety, or anything that you should worry about.

Jus sayin'

This pen does not release vapor when it is empty. First thing my friend tried when he got it. It is also NOT AN e-cig and DOES NOT USE LIQUID so if it did make vapors when empty...well that would be something.


ETA: What evidence points to this being the work of CPA by the way? I don't know why you are just assuming that. I could say that Capitola Healing Association in Santa Cruz is making them if I wanted...they're not, they are just selling them.

Here's a demo of how fast this fucker produces vapor:

I wonder if CPA is associated with BPG, also in Santa Ana. That's where I saw the cloud pen.

Edit:

Ah, okay it think I get it now. The youtube vid i first saw said it was the "cloud pen from cpa". I guess he meant he got it from cpa, not that they made it.

I'm also really interested in who makes it, but it's tough to find info online (at least for me. My google search skills aren't the greatest).

CC, nice breakdown of the pros and cons. Thinking of it as a disposable is a perspective I hadn't considered.

How much did you get it for?

Have you tried other concentrates in it besides oils?

Thank you, I just couldn't find any info on it other than that one Youtube video and it irked me, your search skills are fine, this is a new product.
The pen is not mine, but as of last weekend they were sold for $60 in at least one club in Santa Cruz.

ETA:
Sorry I forgot to mention, no I have only tried very high quality waxes so far in it...I don't know how it would handle runny oil and I doubt it can handle water extracts. It most certainly is not for herb.

Did you read UpUp's first sentence in the OP?

That's why I was wondering, and my first assumption (since I know that UpUp is from around that area) was that it was coming out of CPA. Later on down he clears it up

My first assumption was that it was from CPA like he had said, and there is a negative connotation with the person running CPA... I almost wouldn't put it past him to try passing off e-cig's as "oil pens" to be honest.

The good thing to note here is that you are (presumably) uploading videos of it and have/had one on hand. Your picture links are dead, so we can't view them. Upload to imgur.com, they strip all the exif data before giving you links if you're paranoid.

Found these two...



http://www.shopxhale.com/Vaporizers/Cloud-Portable-Personal-Handheld-Vaporizer-Black

shopxhale has them for $40... Honestly, I'm not sure if I would trust a $40 pen.

Found your album of pics here I assume?











And guess what I just realized? It's a rebranded Atmos Thermo!

http://www.amazon.com/Atmos-Thermo-Portable-Concentrate-Vaporizer/dp/B007TLKD3W/ref=pd_sbs_hpc_4

Look familiar?





Mystery solved?

Nice finds, Q.

The budtender at BPG had mentioned something about the cloud being associated with someone from Atmos.

Partner? Designer? Executive? Someone on that level, but I'm not positive who. I'm not even positive if he knew what he was talking about, but after seeing the pics of the atmos thermo, it seems like there's something to what he said.

CC, you mentioned some differences between the cloud pen and the elips/atmos thermo/transporter, namely that a cart isn't used in the cloud pen.

Anyone else own/use the atmos thermo (or similar device) and the cloud pen? What do you think?

I added a few pics and a link to the post I made, under the youtube video there's a link and I added a screencap at the bottom from another video.

Interested to see how this plays out, it appears that shopxhale is an "official" carrier...

Wait you are serious?
You missed everything that's been said by me. Everything.
Let me break down your entire post. Don't take offense, just let me show you how I have already given more than enough proof that --There is NO evidence this comes from CPA, none-- and --IT IS NOT A RE-BRANDED ATMOS THERMO which has a plastic cart--. I really can't believe you replied without reading my post or ignored that I already mentioned that device.

OK, let's make it short and simple.

Yep, did you?

Ok so I see how you got confused. He said its "from" them. Why? Because it is being sold there, but more importantly because there is a youtube video saying "from". Look it up. I'd bet my life savings he meant he bought it from there. If you can find any evidence that its MADE by CPA, please reply with that proof.

He even confirms that he doesn't think they made it either. If you wanna believe that they made it or re-branded it themselves from the word "from" then be my guest. But that thought process lacks both logic and evidence to support it. So I hope you are alone in thinking that and you haven't confused too many people tonight.

Like I said, believe what you want, but just because there is a "negative connotation" with the man running the club that some people have bought/seen this pen at, in your head, does not mean he re-branded these pens. You are speculating, a lot.

That part of this argument is dumb, if it turns out amazingly/coincidentally/impossibly that CPA did produce this pen, then it doesn't matter, because I'll show you proof that it's not re-branded like you say.

Just wanted to say that I can see my pictures fine, and you seem to have found them so this doesn't matter at all.

Again you didn't read my post. I must have called them disposable 3 or more times in some way. DISPOSABLE DISPOSABLE DISPOSABLE. So they should be cheap, they aren't even a full system they are one cart attached to a battery and an exposed atomizer. Sounds like $20 of material to me. Good for them for not charging $100-$150 like atmos which adds a few extra pieces and A PLASTIC CART and charges you almost 4 times as much. Saying you wouldn't trust a $40 pen is a silly argument, you don't trust it because you think Chubbs is responsible for it. You need to get past this and look at the actual device.

OK here's where you really veer off into La-La land. Watch how many times I am about to quote myelf from earlier in this thread, and maybe you will realize how many things you missed.

I am going to respond with my first post. Yes it does look familiar, it's the same shape, not the same pen....

I bolded the parts you need to read and understand. It is not a re-branded Atmos, look at this picture you posted, you showed us the proof yourself:

(Sorry If this is a slightly different pic, the pieces are the same)

See that clear/white piece in between the top red mouthpiece and the heating unit? The third piece up? That my friend is made of plastic, and it is what you put your oil inside in the Atmos Thermos.
Don't believe me? Look it up on youtube or anywhere, I'm tired of searching for proof for you.
You cannot load oil into metal in the atmos thermos, you have to vape it off of plastic.
Not only that, but that pen takes e-liquids, making it an E-GRIT that simply happens to work for oil.
The Cloud has a metal "bowl" that you load your oil on. If you actually watched the video YOU posted, you would have heard him say that. It is missing a critical part to the Atmos system. A plastic part.
Yes the shape is the same. who fucking cares? It's a really awesome shape, you have never seen or held one clearly though so I guess you wouldn't know.
If anyone still thinks this is a re-branded Thermo, look at the pictures I posted and he brought back up, again, you sir quoted my proof and somehow missed the point entirely.







Ok, anyone else see how my oil is loaded directly onto metal, and there is no plastic cart involved anywhere? I only took and posted these pictures to show this fact, and I only wrote most of my posts to explain and show how different this system is from an e-cig, and I even mentioned Atmos.

I'm sorry I'm ranting but I just really can't believe you missed me saying it is not Atmos and explaining why more than once, and posted a picture showing the extra PLASTIC involved in the Atmos.
I only posted in this thread to clarify because many people made the same mistake as you, except they made it based off the shape, which is very fair. However, I had given more than enough evidence in my 2 posts before you replied claiming you solved the mystery. Stop confusing people with your ignorance/mistake.

Fuck no, this aint no Atmos, and it sure ain't made by CPA.


I'm even going to give you a conclusion, because you probably skimmed everything I said and came to the end, you seem to have a problem with that.
The Cloud IS NOT A RE-BRANDED ATMOS THERMO
-The Thermo has a plastic cart, have fun with that
-The Thermo is an e-cig, it is physically impossible to use the cloud as an e-cig.
-You based your claim off the shape (And the logo on the button?), understandable if I hadn't already explained the difference.
-The Thermo costs $100, it used to cost $150. Again have fun vaping plastic with an e-cig and stop comparing apples and oranges. (They're both round and come from a tree!)


If CPA produced the Cloud, then who cares if you have a problem with them, stop bringing that into a detail-specific talk about a product they sell, it's not even remotely relevant. But NO ONE SAID THEY PRODUCED/RE-BRANDED THE CLOUD, so I really really doubt that your misunderstanding happened to be correct, cause there is no proof, evidence, or even a single person's claim to support your theory.



Sorry I had to do that, you were wrong and giving Up Up and everyone who reads this your own speculations as fact, and that would be misinforming them. Let's not misinform people? Sound good?
If you really strongly believe I'm wrong, don't you dare misquote me or Up Up again, bring us some fuckin evidence....

So let's get back to a real discussion about this pen and its real features, that was a senseless argument that could have been avoided if everyone had read my first and second point all the way through...

Is that wax a sativa? No need to yell here. I'm following your thread to learn more.

Haha sorry he got me so worked up. Yes it is quite dominant in fact. Some nice stuff.

I also picked up one of these when I was at the Kush Expo in LA. This post is waaaaaaay overdue, but here (finally) are my thoughts on and experiences with this device.

I checked out the majority of the "vape pens" that were there. It's so crazy how many of these are just e-cig technology that's been repackaged or slightly altered and then promoted as a vaporizer that can be used with flower and/or concentrates. The technology just wasn't designed to do that; my time with this vape really drove that point home for me.

In the OP I said that I couldn't find a website for it, but there's one now.

http://cloudvapez.com/

I must admit that this thing is slick looking (well, the black one at least) and feels really good in the hand.







(left to right: ultralite+dart, omicron mini, sharpie, cloud, ruler)

You may ask, "Why would a guy who has 2 top-notch proven pen vapes, a Sharpie, and a ruler want to get another portable vaporizer?" There's vas, for one thing. For another thing, I had never tried or owned an "e-cig tech" pen vape (mainly due to all of the information I've read here on FC ).

Well, this "Cloud" had made me very curious and I couldn't really judge it until I tried it myself. I was more than willing to spend $40 in the name research. (I've seen it in dispensaries and head shops for $60 and it's listed as $75 on their site. At the expo they were selling them for $40.)

That price and the fact that the girl helping me out was super hot led me to drop the cash to pick one up.

Immediately after the expo I went to a buddy's place to watch some football. I whipped out my new gadget and a few of my friends tried it out. All of them really liked it and their enthusiasm was rubbing off on me.

However, we were passing it around for quite a while; I wasn't counting hits or anything, but it felt much too long for the size of the dab that I had loaded, so I put it away and brought out a different vape.

Either:

1. This was the most efficient vaporizer ever created.
2. Something was being vaporized that I probably didn't want being vaporized.

I had neglected to give it a dry burn before I bought it. (This booth was my last stop of the day, so needless to say I was quite vaked at that point.) When I got home that night I decided to play around with it some more to see what was going on.

While watching some tv, cruising around online, and vaping with my other toys, I would occasionally hit the button with the mouthpiece removed so that I could see the vapor production. Strangely, it kept going... and going... and going, producing thick clouds until the battery ran out.

Something definitely was not right, but I wanted to give it another shot. The next day I cleaned it with a couple drops of iso on the heating element, which I would burn off until eventually there was no visible vapor.

There was still hope! I thought maybe I had burned off whatever had been mysteriously producing vapor, so I loaded another dab and vaped away. After around 5 hits I noticed a significant change in flavor and I took off the mp to see what was left.

Again, the density of the cloud production just didn't make sense after seeing what was left. I continued to hit the button every now and then (without inhaling) and it continued to produce clouds. They were getting thinner, but the clouds were still significant. I was planning to record a short video clip of it producing vapor without any load, but it ended up dying that night. Yes, that was only the 2nd night I had it.

So instead of a video, here's a pic of what the bowl looked like in the end.



You can see why I was concerned. I had still been getting a lot of vapor from this right before it died.

I really wanted to like this device. The size is awesome, it looks cool, and there's absolutely no learning curve. However, there's no learning curve because it can magically produce vapor from nothing. I realized that's why my friends liked it so much; they didn't have the patience to really learn how to use my other toys, but they were hitting this with ease.

In the end, I can't say that I would recommend getting one.

Umm seriously?
You are mistaken. It produces no vapor when brand new. You even said yourself you never dry ran it. What you are experiencing is the high heat of the coil being able to *burn* every last bit of oil. The cloud will put every last bit of oil into vapor/smoke. That is the only reason it hits longer than your nicer pens. I see that you have jumped to conclusions, and based on how many people liked your post I see that that is common on this forum. Sorry to be rude, but you are all a bit ignorant or something, this isn't e-cig technology and no matter how many times you call an exposed atomizer a "repackaged" e-cig it doesn't make it true.
So to clarify, UpUp is worried because his device is too efficient at finishing oil, and everyone who liked his post is paranoid too. Look at the picture, the coil should be visible but it is covered in oil, and he is WORRIED that vapor comes off it when heated....it's still covered in oil!
So yes, the cloud does make your oil last longer, sorry to break it to you, but your post has the rediculous thesis that the cloud produces vapor no matter what, that is pure SPECULATION and IGNORANCE, though this forum is unfortunately full of that. I challenge anyone to buy a new cloud and show me this magical vapor-creation device that works without oil.

But no one will reply to this I'm sure. Since all the information I bring to the table supports a cheap pen that looks like an e-cig, and no one here can open their mind to the possibility that their expensive pens could find competition that they haven't heard of.
But seriously, it "magically creates vapor from nothing" when you show us a pic of your oil-covered atomizer? Are you fucking stupid or just trying to discredit this device? And you all took his word for it? Fuccck.....

mod note: Been here over 4 months and don't know the rules yet? We have a whole section on 'Be Nice'.

Umm, yes seriously.

I see that you have also jumped to conclusions by assuming that the # of likes my post received directly corresponds to the # of people who "jump to conclusions". "Liking" a post is not necessarily synonymous with agreeing with a post.

Regarding the *burn*, yes I disclosed that I didn't do a dry burn up front and I included the pic of what the heating coil looked like in order to qualify my caveat. You refer to the cloud putting "every last bit of oil into vapor/smoke". That last part, the "smoke", is exactly what I find alarming. We're trying to fuck combustion here, right? I never called it smoke, but you opened the door.

I believe that the heating coil is very common in ecig atomizers, no?



It's commonly used in ecig technology, therefore I consider it ecig technology. Granted, it's a simple heating coil, so I'm sure it's already been used in various devices that have nothing to do with ecigs and will continue to be used for other purposes well into the future. That being said, I think it's fair to say that any device that uses a heating coil of this design to vaporize any sort of material for consumption owes it's technology to the world of ecigs.

They removed the wick in order to modify this technology, so I will concede that the cloud heating element is not the exact same thing as the majority of atties/cartos out there. But did the manufacturers do anything else? I'm no electrician, but I wonder if they made any sort of adjustment to the voltage and power output. Afaik, e-liquids vaporize differently than flower or concentrates? Were changes in the power output taken into consideration by the manufacturers?

Yes, many forms of technology have been sequestered for a variety of uses, many of which they were never intended for. However, that doesn't mean that they are necessarily an improvement on technology that was specifically designed for a certain purpose.

In fact, modifying technology for an un-imagined purpose is pretty fuckin cool. Let's consider the example of those members of society who have the misfortune of being incarcerated.

Felons are people, too, and I'm sure that they enjoy a good grilled cheese sandwich as much as the next dude. Since they don't have a kitchen at their disposal, what do they do? Use an iron! Genius!

I can also make a grilled cheese sandwich with an iron; the bread gets warm and the cheese gets melted. Personally, I prefer to use a griddle because, well, I can. I have that tool at my disposal. An iron doesn't lend itself to culinary use because it wasn't designed for that purpose.

Let me clarify your attempt at clarification. I'm not worried that it's "too" efficient; I'm worried that something is goin' on that ain't supposed to be goin' on. Your assertion that "everyone who liked his post is paranoid too" is pure SPECULATION and IGNORANCE.

I would love for someone to buy a new cloud, test it, and share their opinion. My opinion of the cloud is in no way a personal attack on you, although I feel like you've taken it that way by questioning my intentions and my intelligence.

I believe you when you say that it doesn't produce vapor when a dry run is done since I haven't witnessed it myself. My primary concern doesn't lie there; it lies with the density of the vapor production when considering the amount of "oil" on the coil.

Yes, the coil is "covered". But I estimate that the thickness of the coating is less than half a mm, if that. I think it's safe to assume (yes, I'm making an "assumption", but a fair one imo) that it was less than 0.01 g worth of "oil". With that amount of "oil" (more like a crust), I feel uneasy when I see clouds that rival nail hits. No, I have no definitive empirical evidence, but I'm gonna go with my gut on this one. Things just don't add up.

I do have an anecdotal point of comparison. I vaporized the same material (skywalker wax) in my dart. No crust was visible on the ceramic element. When it was done, it was done; no visible vapor, so I doubt that there was any residue on the heating coil, either. Should you assume that the dart is less efficient than the cloud? I think the evidence points toward the dart providing pure vaporization and full extraction of the active ingredients. No question on whether smoke could have possibly been produced.

If I'm wrong and there's nothing to be concerned about, then I think the manufacturers should really push this device's efficiency as a selling point. Hell, with this sort of efficiency, other fields of study and production should take notice.

Before I use the cloud pen again, I'd like to know:

• What exactly is in the crust that surrounds the heating element at the end of a session? Is there any thc in there? If not, then what exactly is producing the vapor?
• Were any other modifications made to the atomizer aside from removing the wick?

Again, you are guilty of making assumptions and again, you are incorrect. You say you were sure that no one would reply? I believe this post qualifies as a reply, buddy.

I don't have an open mind? Another swing and miss. I'm completely open to pens that are less expensive than what I currently own and that could rival their performance. That's exactly why I bought a cloud pen and tried it out. Believe me, I would love to use the money I would potentially save on a cheap pen on flower and concentrates. I just haven't found anything that would be adequate replacements for what I currently own.

Oh yeah, let's not forget that it died the second day that I had it.

You ask if I'm "fucking stupid"? No, I'm not.

You ask if I'm trying to "discredit this device"? Yes, I am.

As a member of this community, it's my duty to share my experience and my opinion. Keep in mind that it's exactly that: MY experience and MY opinion. You are within your rights to do the same, as is every other member of this forum. But don't ASSUME that I am an idiot or have a sinister agenda against pens like the cloud. Based on my experience, tossing around insults is indicative of insecurity with one's argument. In my opinion, that's fucking stupid.

Fuccck... combustion.



Edit: When I was inhaling the "vapor" produced by the cloud pen's alleged efficiency, I didn't get medicated; I got a headache. After using the dart I was fully medicated, no headache. In the end, isn't that what matters?

You know I was following this with some interest trying to make up my mind if spending $80 or so to 'find out for myself' if this was more than it seems. We've all seen the junk offered to the ignorant and could well be therefore prejudiced when something useful comes along and dismiss it too soon.

Then we get to the above part. When it's primary defender resorts to such a pointed personal attack on a fellow who's main sin seems to be disagreeing I think the poster is the one who discredited the device. I don't want to hang with rude or abusive folks.....or take their advice.

OF

New member here...actually signed up specifically to respond to this thread.

I've owned the following vaporizers: Atmos (flower/wax vape), eGo Pen, eGo A-Pen, 710 Pen, G Pen, and a Cloud.

The only vaporizer that I still have is the Cloud. The reason? Aside from the Atmos, the eGos, 710, and G Pen all use the same cartridge technology. It's very inefficient, and breaks often unless it is used and cleaned properly. The Atmos has too small of a chamber.

The Cloud costs less than most other pens, and the replacement cartridges are only $10. The return policy on Clouds is literally NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I've had the same Cloud pen for the last 4 months, and haven't had to replace anything other than cartridges. In 6 weeks, while I had the eGo Pen, it broke three times. Once with an eGo, and twice with an eGo A-Pen.

I'm not sure how UpUpandAway got vapor from a brand new, empty cartridge, but if that happened I would suggest taking it back. The fiber should NOT be releasing any type of vapor at all brand new. I've gone through 6 cartridges (I use different cartridges for different types of concentrates), and none of them have given me vapor new.

As for the other members pictures of a loaded Cloud.... That is FAR more than I've EVER loaded into a cartridge. I can't imagine the type of cleanup after smoking it. The negative thing about the cartridge is the wax tends to stick to the inner wall, which makes it a pain in the ass to clean. (Which is why I don't overload my carts).

It's personal preference. I like the Cloud because I can hit it with one hand and conceal it completely. Personally I haven't had any problems with mine, but I HAVE heard of horror stories. All of these vaporizers are cheap Chinese made products, so it's luck of the draw on getting a really good one.