choosing between a thermovape, pax, lsv, inh

Of the OP's current choices I would also go for the INH. Its discreet, can pre load capsules for on the go, good battery life and packs a punch.
I like the maths vorrange, lol could have bought a cloud for all those bics. . . Do you guys not get re-fillable lighters?

Apparently not, hahaha. Most smokers i know don't use refillable lighters either.. i did, but not always. Clippers always tend to malfunction after a while.

I've been wanting the INH004XP sense i saw it, but another vape that i think would fit your needs would be the Cera.

For the record, I've tried the Vaporlighter. It's is unequivocally NOT the best vaporizer on the market. It's not even the best in the list of vapes I own. I didn't even bother putting it in my signature.

potbrother, I'm happy it worked well for you, but it definitely does not seem to be in line with the other vaporizers the OP is looking into. Some folks suggested Solo, Davinci, etc... But if the OP wanted a lighter-style vape, don't you think they'd have mentioned it?

VaporGenie.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to Joe
hi

You are wrong. Combusted butane is vastly cleaner than smoke.

If you dont like butane flames, you can use a hempwick or other burning material.

It sounds like you are trying to sell a product. Are talking about the "ubie"?

dan



On 11/17/12 4:30 PM, Joe Chang wrote:

Hey, Your pipe is hurting people, large amount of light fuel in the flame is inhaled during vaporizing. The light fuel in the flame not only taste nasty also very harmful to health. The flame filter also causes inhalation resistance and reloading inconvenience. To fix all the problems, simply replace the flame filter with a u shape glass tube, one end face down attach on the pipe bowl, one end has a bigger opening which faces down to receive a hot air stream produced by a lighter. This way, no inhalation resistance, also no lighter fuel will be inhaled. Other benefits are, don't need to detach it to reload tobacco, lighter weight and cheaper. Please feel free to use the idea to make better vaporization pipe to help smokers. They really need it. Wish you great business! Sincerely, Joe Chang

Joe Chang adleave@gmail.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to VaporGenie.com
The flame itself is inhaled into the pipe, not fully burned butane in the flame is 100% inhaled using your pipe.

No, I am not selling anything, not ubie idea also. My idea is vaporizationpipe.com


Joe Chang adleave@gmail.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to VaporGenie.com
If you don't believe me, simple try a brand new genie, without tobacco, just inhale the lighter flame, you can taste nasty butane easily. Now if you raise the pipe above the flame 2 inches, put the bowl side way.to inhale hot air above the flame, you will inhale combusted butane which is clean and not taste nasty.

I am telling you the facts, hope you can improve it and help smokers, nothing more.

Have a good weekend!


Joe Chang adleave@gmail.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to VaporGenie.com
You know the best. All conduction vaporizers are junk, such as vapeman, magic flight etc. All convection vaporizers are hard to use, big size, need long time to heat up or to change vaping temperature. A good vaporization pipe could beat all vaporizers on the market and become smokers best tool.

The Genie is not there yet. The technology can be improved easily as I said.


Joe Chang adleave@gmail.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to VaporGenie.com
Maybe call the new pipe Vapor Slut, she does better blow job.


VaporGenie.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to me
On 11/17/12 5:25 PM, Joe Chang wrote:
The flame itself is inhaled into the pipe, not fully burned butane in the flame is 100% inhaled using your pipe.
Only if you are using it wrong. With proper use the butane is completely combusted.



No, I am not selling anything, not ubie idea also. My idea is vaporizationpipe.com
Yes I am familiar with this. I saw your website a while ago. Like VaporGenie pipes, your pipe ALSO results in flame exhaust inhalation. Which is not a concern (provided that the flame burns cleanly and completely).

dan


VaporGenie.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to me
hi joe

I appreciate your concern. I dont think there is much to be done about inhaling flame exhaust, other than makeing sure that the butane is completely combusted.

I'd like to point out that the wind-shield you use with your lighter can cause incomplete combustion. The shield blocks air from flowing into the butane flame, depriving it of oxygen. When there is low oxygen, there is soot and nasty flavors produced.

We are working on a couple electric models that should be ready in a few months.

dan


Joe Chang adleave@gmail.com
Nov 17 (4 days ago)

to VaporGenie.com
Dan,

Electric vaporizers will never work better than flame powered vaporizer. Butane combustion becomes h2o and co2. Both not harmful. The problem is using flame itself to smoke or to vaporize, not fully burned lighter fuel will be inhaled. Smoking takes few seconds of flame, inhale a little lighter fuel, vaporizing takes much longer flame, inhale large amount of lighter fuel in the flame. People been do it wrong for 5 thousand years, forgot to use the hot air above the flame to smoke or to vaporize.

Your best bet is to build a pipe that use a lighter for power source, but instead inhale the flame itself, inhale the combusted hot co2 and h2o and ambient air mixture to vaporize. It is cleaner than other flame source such as wipe stick etc.

All the ecigs are not tasty, smoker hard to get good buzz. Once your perfect pipe on the market, the vape world is yours.


Joe Chang adleave@gmail.com
Nov 18 (3 days ago)

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Bad drawing, but you get the idea. Maybe call it Vapor Gem.

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^^^anyone else find that hard to read?? and i am not talking about the font color... i highlighted the whole thing so i could read it. i just find the layout of the messages hard to follow. maybe it's just me

Trust me. It is NOT just you.

Thanks lwien.... i was beginning to think i needed to lay off the flowers for a bit (or increase them).

Did you DIY the vaporlighter? How long been using it? What's the things you don't like it?

I didn't use it very long. It's hot to touch, it's slow, there's the risk of lighter fluid contaiminating my herbs. Look, it's fine as a cheap first vape, but it's pretty much the last vape in my collection I reach for...

where did you get it?
how long been using it?
why is it slow?

Thanks!

Joe Chang <adleave@gmail.com>

11/18/12

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Bad drawing, but you get the idea. Maybe call it Vapor Gem.

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From: Joe Chang <adleave@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:35 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion
To: "VaporGenie.com" <contact@vaporgenie.com>


Bad drawing, but you get the idea. Maybe call it Vapor Gem.


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Joe Chang <adleave@gmail.com> wrote:

Dan,
Electric vaporizers will never work better than flame powered vaporizer. Butane combustion becomes h2o and co2. Both not harmful. The problem is using flame itself to smoke or to vaporize, not fully burned lighter fuel will be inhaled. Smoking takes few seconds of flame, inhale a little lighter fuel, vaporizing takes much longer flame, inhale large amount of lighter fuel in the flame. People been do it wrong for 5 thousand years, forgot to use the hot air above the flame to smoke or to vaporize.
Your best bet is to build a pipe that use a lighter for power source, but instead inhale the flame itself, inhale the combusted hot co2 and h2o and ambient air mixture to vaporize. It is cleaner than other flame source such as wipe stick etc.
All the ecigs are not tasty, smoker hard to get good buzz. Once your perfect pipe on the market, the vape world is yours.
Joe


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 10:21 PM, VaporGenie.com <contact@vaporgenie.com> wrote:

hi joe

I appreciate your concern. I dont think there is much to be done about inhaling flame exhaust, other than makeing sure that the butane is completely combusted.

I'd like to point out that the wind-shield you use with your lighter can cause incomplete combustion. The shield blocks air from flowing into the butane flame, depriving it of oxygen. When there is low oxygen, there is soot and nasty flavors produced.

We are working on a couple electric models that should be ready in a few months.

dan




On 11/17/12 5:36 PM, Joe Chang wrote:

If you don't believe me, simple try a brand new genie, without tobacco, just inhale the lighter flame, you can taste nasty butane easily. Now if you raise the pipe above the flame 2 inches, put the bowl side way.to inhale hot air above the flame, you will inhale combusted butane which is clean and not taste nasty.
I am telling you the facts, hope you can improve it and help smokers, nothing more.
Have a good weekend!


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Joe Chang <adleave@gmail.com> wrote:

The flame itself is inhaled into the pipe, not fully burned butane in the flame is 100% inhaled using your pipe.
No, I am not selling anything, not ubie idea also. My idea is vaporizationpipe.com


On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 4:07 PM, VaporGenie.com <contact@vaporgenie.com> wrote:

hi

You are wrong. Combusted butane is vastly cleaner than smoke.

If you dont like butane flames, you can use a hempwick or other burning material.

It sounds like you are trying to sell a product. Are talking about the "ubie"?

dan



On 11/17/12 4:30 PM, Joe Chang wrote:

Hey, Your pipe is hurting people, large amount of light fuel in the flame is inhaled during vaporizing. The light fuel in the flame not only taste nasty also very harmful to health. The flame filter also causes inhalation resistance and reloading inconvenience. To fix all the problems, simply replace the flame filter with a u shape glass tube, one end face down attach on the pipe bowl, one end has a bigger opening which faces down to receive a hot air stream produced by a lighter. This way, no inhalation resistance, also no lighter fuel will be inhaled. Other benefits are, don't need to detach it to reload tobacco, lighter weight and cheaper. Please feel free to use the idea to make better vaporization pipe to help smokers. They really need it. Wish you great business! Sincerely, Joe Chang

What the........????

Actually now that I think about it, speed wasn't really an issue. I did combust a few times though, and so did the guy on the site.

I made my own.

I know, I think after this post I'm just going to give up!

ALL!

Back on topic, I can say that I LOVE my TV Alpha Ultra. If they keep the Cera in line with the quality of the last gen, it should make a good (albeit somewhat expensive) choice.

I'd say inhalater004 or the new XP...I got a Solo, and recently got a VHW. If I could do it all over again. I'd get the INH004. More subtle in public than the Solo (it's really great though if you can deal with the glass stem in public) bigger loads and you can bring multiple "capsules" with you.