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Cheap, high-quality bubbler??

Discussion in 'Glass' started by Bleezy, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    The FC UFO is a must for one's quiver!
     
  2. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Glad to see you are fully back in business, mate! :tup::rockon::clap:
     
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  3. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I have this little bubbler which has a small mouthpiece + ASH COLLECTOR + GRAPE APE = CIVILIZED (MAYBE)?

    It's all good! IAG
     
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  4. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    I'm getting a small, female jointed bubbler. These are all very similar. Can someone explain the difference, if any, between a Klein, egg fab, straight fab in terms of functioning.
     
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  5. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    My wife won't let me make it?
    So cheap I buy what I need $20/gram ROSIN
    This mornig I don't know what's in this EBL?
    EVO = FLAVOR/POWER = CIVILIZED
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    MOVIE = ATOMIC BLONDE
     
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  6. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Brother...and I say this with all affection and respect....the way you drop glass? I think your wife may be right to keep you away from a 10 ton press with 200 F exposed heating plates! WHOA!! :o;):tup:
     
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  7. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    She is really smart so I do whatever she say's.

    Just buy what I want and you can say whatever!
     
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  8. DJ Colonel Corn

    DJ Colonel Corn Well-Known Member

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    Well I bought another rig from Sunshine Store on DHgate.
    Should be here in about 9 days judging from the D020-D I got from them recently.
    Here's a pic of what I ordered:
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    Here's a video if it being used:

    Click to play YouTube Video


    Looked like good action to me, so I ignored my normal demand for female fitted rigs and got this one.

    Here's the link for this piece.
    I got a $5 discount given to me for posting my image of the D020-D I got recently, and a $2 discount for using their app. So $7 saved, cool. Sunshine Store seem to be good people.

    So I have a question for you guys.
    I've been told that too much diffusion in a rig can lower potency from vapor ? I'm talking about dab vapor. I've been told it reduces flavor AND potency. Can anyone elaborate on this ?
    Reduced flavor makes sense to me, but, reduced potency ?
     
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  9. Likes2vape

    Likes2vape Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say it reduces potency but you do lose some concentrate due to vapor condensation. The more water the vapor travels through the cooler it becomes and the more in condenses.

    Nice piece btw!
     
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  10. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    Diffusion can be a factor? (FLOWER VAPOR)
    I have this same one I use for DAB's
    (love it!)

    It's a matter of the person?

    Do what you like?
     
  11. LabPong

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    That one is a D020-2S
     
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  12. Puddy

    Puddy Well-Known Member

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    sunshine store is great. reliable and pretty fast shipping. I have the D020-X and the D021-P

    Much prefer the D020-X of the 2
     
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  13. flotntoke

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    IME it will reduce flavor. I've got no science to back it up other than personal experience, but seems that something like this will also reduce effects of flower vapor. If a piece is stealing flavor, it only makes sense that more of other actives will be left in the water along with the taste of terpenes.

    For dabs? I don't have enough experience with them on a regular basis to say for certain. But, I've found that the water will accumulate more goo quicker in something like this than something with less diffusion. You'll also have more condensation and more surfaces for it to cling to. This could be a good thing, because that would also mean less goo accumulating in your lungs - and probably less of that "Oh shit, I was dabbing last night" feeling that can greet you in the morning.

    With dabs, I don't think knocking flavor back a bit is usually as much of a concern either. I've had some great trates I enjoy the flavor of, but there is so much of it that it's not a big deal if you lose a little - and a reduction in harshness is often a good thing here, too.

    If you're looking to get larger hits this will help you get them down because you're compressing the vapor (either flower or trate) and softening the hit more. Personally, I'm not looking to do that anyway because you can only absorb so much at a time and I'm one that subscribes to the notion that huge clouds of vapor exhaled is at least partly wasteful. This can become very important to those of us that don't have access to a dispensary (med or rec).

    If more diffusion takes flavor and effect down by say, 20% (not saying this is the figure as it would vary much with different pieces, draws and other factors - so just used here for explanation) and your flower vapor is a power of 10, it would be reduced to an 8. But, if you're doing dabs with a power of 100 to start with (or 10x what you get from flower vapor - usually a conservative estimate) and you lose 20%, you're reducing to a power of 80. Nothing to sneeze at and still a powerful hit!

    In either case, I'm looking to get the most I can out of either while still making it a pleasant experience. So, depending on my material, dab temp, how harsh the flavor is and how hard it hits my head (and how greedy I get with the dabber), I could see this all being a benefit. But, I'm usually still going to prefer less diffusion and try to be more cautious with the size of my dab and temp I'm dropping it on in an effort to get the most I possibly can out of every dab. In theory, leaving me with a dab or 2 more by the end of the gram - maybe more. That's of course considering that I don't just do more dabs in every session!

    The crux of the biscuit in all of it.... If you leave more flavor, or actives, in the water, it's not getting to you and is going down the drain next time you clean your piece. And, if you have all those bubbles and percolation the water is going to hold more of whatever you're putting through it. I think this is going to be true whether vaping flower or trates, or smoking for that matter. More diffusion will allow you to pull in more at a time, but does anyone need more just for the satisfaction of exhaling a larger cloud? I don't, but YMMV.
     
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  14. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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  15. flotntoke

    flotntoke thoroughly vaped

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    PS... meant to include that I think SunshineStore is great! Think half of my Chinese glass is from them, certainly the most from one vendor in my collection. Never a problem with them, and they seem to ship as fast or faster than any other DHGate vendors I've tried.
     
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  16. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    I told myself I need to move on with my learning.

    However this is a very correct thing to say!

    sunshine store makes very good glass pieces.

    DABS or COLAS!

    Most broker's use them. (vendor's)
    They have a Factory. (sunshine store)

    Most vendor don't make anything. (however we need them for small order's)

    FYI (if you need to know?)

    @flotntoke you are super concerning writing!
    I am criticized for my briefness.
     
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  17. flotntoke

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    Thanks @ataxian ! Think your briefness is appreciated by many, too. Just hope many also appreciate my often long ramblings.
     
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  18. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    I have no doubt they do! Rambling isn't rambling when it is meaningful, concise and relevant. I said it before, you sure do contribute in a big way, and there is no doubt that very many gain so much from what you share, both from a practical and thoughtful viewpoint.

    I was thinking on my way to the chiropractor earlier, after reading your post earlier, about your comment on exhaling big clouds being "partly" wasteful. I like the delicacy. Obviously huge amounts of psychiactive, absorbable cannabinoids are exhaled unabsorbed, and that is techincally waste.

    However, peiple do still get more ripped off larger hits, you do still absorb more actives, per lungful and that is what people want. They also don't want to be holding their hits in uncomfortably and I can certainly understand and relate to that.

    But I do still wonder what percentage of actives are actually making it into the bloodstream when you see these monster hits on the heavy hitters being exhaled instantly.

    10 to 30 % at most absorbed? I would bet below 30% often, if not much lower.

    So just think how efficient vaporizing would be if you did absorb 100% somehow. It would knock edibles out of the park, weight for weight!

    Just a stoned thought for today. Sorry I just read a post here and there and find myself replying with some pointless random shit as I prepare to get up and do some tidying.
    I really need to pick up some new glass pieces, but have held off for so long as I don't know what I want really, or what vaporizer model I will have as my main driver in near time to come.
    I also am not impulsive to buy things unless I can be fairly sure it will be a good investment, not another dust collector.

    But I will be checking out Sunshinestore though. Seems they have quite a lot of products.

    Keep up the excellent contributions Flotntoke, and never question the merit and usefulness of your posts and how widely appreciated I'm sure they are!:tup:
     
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  19. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    Its actually not that obvious at all and is a somewhat hotly debated topic for which the scientific studies are inadequate to settle the controversy.

    It is claimed that gasses are absorbed by your lungs within a second of breathing them in and that they are only absorbed when moving over the alveoli in your lungs.

    If so (and again, there is inadequate proof yay/nay for any of this IMO and as a result of the f*cking DEA), then the only thing really being wasted is that portion of the vapor that is still in your mouth and esophagus. This in turn speaks to coming off the vape with enough capacity left to clear your mouth/throat.

    Others argue that their subjective experience is clear that holding it in gains you effects.

    Not obvious at all.....yet.

    Cheers
     
  20. flotntoke

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    Many thanks @Alexis ! You guys are starting to make me blush, so please stop! I'm getting out of here soon anyway to re-charge for a few days and catch the Great American Eclipse, so you won't see any more 500+ word posts from me for a couple days. Speaking of the Great American Eclipse - is there anything we won't throw our name on to make it ours, or make a buck? I'm making a point of not buying any eclipse crap (other than my new solar glasses - paper @ $2/pair), and saving my cash for butane, batteries and some of that funny green shit to enjoy with my beer. Sorry... I digress... see what I mean? ;)

    I just try to give back a little of what FC has given me over the years. Hell, most of what I write that isn't personal experience is knowledge I've gained from others here. When I got here more than a couple years back, thinking I was the shit with my newly purchased Vapor Cannon from VB - found without the assistance of a site like FC or the help of awesome members here - I thought I was going to come on and share some great knowledge and show these F'ers how to roll. As it turned out I think I lurked for a year before I even dared post! Just SO much great knowledge here that has grown since then, and so many great members who not only help each other out - but are usually quick to steer any newb who shows up in the right direction. FC ROCKS! :rockon:

    So, please don't think me wise, or ingenious (like many members and manufacturers found here truly are). Though I tend to have a crappy memory too, I use daily many of the techniques I've learned here or the few I learned along the way pre-FC - so only have to remember them from day to day. I type pretty fast, drink too much good coffee, can be just a little prolific in my posts (:lmao:), love diversion (especially when I should be doing other constructive shit here IRL - like my work!) and seem less able to say things concisely with every passing year (truth be told, I'm pretty sure it's getting worse by the day anymore!). From the length of this post and the one above, you can see how much I love packing for a trip, too. :)

    Party on!

    And, for those of us here in the US, enjoy the eclipse wherever you are and however much of it you can see - but DON'T LOOK AT THE FUCKING SUN without proper protection, even if you are high. That shit really WILL make you go blind, DumbAss! :myday:

    And, oh yeah.... could you find it in your heart to help impeach this asshole before he leads us into a nuclear war - or 21st Century US civil war? Those from around the world are encouraged to help us with this however you can! You know, we all saw something new and different coming whether a supporter or opposed to him being president. But I think pretty safe to say NO ONE saw this shit coming. Hell, no-one (including herr fuhrer II, himself) could guess what's coming in a day or 2 at this point - too often only an hour or 2!

    Meant to keep it at least a little on point here - so here ya go:
    • As @Baron23 is alluding to above, there are ways to absorb more of your vapor from each hit. Check out re-breahing or any of the threads I link at the bottom of this lengthy post the other day on the DV VC thread.
    • Chinese glass is cheap, and while not as perfect as most US & European glass, is usually just as functional. 1/10th or so the price, for pretty nearly the same form, and almost all of the same function. Yeah, they copy (steal) other designs, but this is the 21st century, new world economy. There are many US blowers & companies that I admire (and at least one I can't stop wasting money with), but they're not doing anything special for me for $300 to a few thousand per piece, so I don't feel bad about this. Hope they all continue to do well and sell faster than they can create, but as much as I'd like to I can't afford to be one of their patrons too often or for very much $.
    • Keep your diffusion low if you want to get all you can out of whatever you're pulling through your glass.
    • Stick with DHGate vendors you see mentioned often and in well regard here for a better chance at a good experience. If you do venture out and try others, please let us all know here how it went.
    • Share for all here any new pieces you come across or purchase for cheap, so we can all enjoy the spoils of your efforts.
    • @ataxian is the poet laureate of FC - I'd say officially, but not sure if Mods have come to same conclusion (not yet, anyway). If his posts don't make sense, it is you - not him! Learn this man's rhythm and pay close attention to his many fine posts if you want the to get the most you can from FC or life for that matter (even if his pics are sometimes recycled :)).
     
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  21. ataxian

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    @flotntoke I need to take new pictures someday?
    @Baron23 know's more about politic's than most.
    Bannon is gone, what about the other clowns?

    Today I'm just using a 4 year old ash collector with a Tordado action perk & SHERLOCK with a tiny mouthpiece. sunshine store stuff on dggate.

    My COLAS (TAIL'S in SPANISH) are GRANDMA'S
    COOKIES grown by the PACIFIC OCEAN and very sedating!

    CIVILIZED = SO I THINK?

    Happy solar eclipse everyone!

    Excuse me while I MEDICATE!
     
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  22. flotntoke

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    Pictures are fine, Man! I enjoy trying to figure out if I've seen one before, and when and where that was. Probably my favorite little game to play while surfing FC.

    CIVILIZED? Yes, as you always seem to be! Gonna have to try to find some of that Grandma's Cookies. Sounds tasty and quite effective!
     
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  23. ataxian

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    This is a photo I just took before lunch.
    You got to try GRANDMA COOKIES!

    NAP TIME!

    @TboneToker sorry to be a prick!
     
  24. Alexis

    Alexis Open minded philosopher and realist.

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    Yes indeed @ataxian , your photos are very fun and comforting. I can't help be envious at times, how I would love to be in sunny CA with a nice poolside area and the nicest weed you could want. You really glamorize it and represent it positively and without guilty conscience.
    I'm not suggesting you have life easy or great, but it is a nice advert!

    When I am feeling good in life I enjoy your photos more. It is actually quite generous of you to share this insight into your life.
     
  25. Baron23

    Baron23 Well-Known Member

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    I'm so sorry, my friend, but I'm trying to stay out of political discussions....not doing to well at that but still trying.

    Well, then invite us over. We are polite, your wife will love us, and we can get baked together.

    What ever happened to that trip to DC in the spring????
     

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