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CCA Liger banger V3.0

Discussion in 'Vapor Related Equipment' started by mrbonsai420, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. Danksta

    Danksta Well-Known Member

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    Got the ball carp cap today from dhgate and it's not that good for oil. It doesn't seal enough. Ad originally said it was 50mm but now it says 28mm. I can tell it's not 50mm. That size might work better but I'm not sure rounded glass and the liger ti are going to ever seal nice.

    However it's really nice for full melt. The ball helps collect the vapor and I've been able to get better hits than I was. So @herbivore21 you might like it.

    Time to get a storm cell cap.
     
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  2. brucee10

    brucee10 Well-Known Member

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    Are storm cell caps in stock yet?
     
  3. LazyIdol

    LazyIdol Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe so. I am still waiting on mine at least, my SiC insert arrived last week though.

    Last I remember hearing they were sent back to be re-machined due to a production error outside of Josh's control.
     
  4. mrbonsai420

    mrbonsai420 I love Grass and Glass!

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    Here you go, one from above. You know all that being said after this video I just hooked back up the 30mm and It rocks too! I really love it too and they both perform well. There is just something about the airflow in the bucket that I prefer in the 20mm.

    Hopefully the storm cell caps and everything else will be in stock soon so you guys can enjoy them properly. I know I can't wait for my 20mm sapphire!

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BO6QFbrBCYz/?taken-by=mrbonsai710&hl=en
     
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  5. Danksta

    Danksta Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, looks pretty nice.
     
  6. Cannabis Connoisseur

    Cannabis Connoisseur I LOVE LIFE

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    I only use the 30mm The 20 I'm thinking of putting at my bedside! Just need another controller
     
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  7. Manchovees

    Manchovees New Member

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    Yyyeeesssss so my SiC insert is on the way(from CCA710 website) and Josh said he would bundle my Liger (ordered on High Five Vape) with it together so with any luck I should have both early next week :D
     
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  8. Gn0sis

    Gn0sis Active Member

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    trying to place an order for the 30mm liger v3 right now, but the website is giving me this error:

    any idea whats up?
    [​IMG]
     
  9. Manchovees

    Manchovees New Member

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    I can't say for sure but I know High Five Vapes sells them but they ship direct from CCA710. It's where I just ordered mine. I think it's even a bit cheaper!
     
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  10. Silat

    Silat When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.

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    Took my cheese.
    I will recommend the obvious:)
    1/ try a different browser
    2/ clean cookies and temp files
    3/ it could just be the web/site and it will be fine soon
     
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  11. Gn0sis

    Gn0sis Active Member

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    is there a discount code for highfive vapes as well?

    tried the obvious...
     
  12. PoopMachine

    PoopMachine Well-Known Member

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    Send Josh an email with what you want. He'll send you a Paypal invoice.
     
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  13. Scootcha

    Scootcha Member

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    Sorry took so long to get back to y'all. I've been in the green zone.

    http://www.dhgate.com/product/new-drop-down-glass-adapter-female-male-14mm/389396909.html

    Is the drop down pictured. The price is right, the design is right, I bought 15 total in different 10/14mm combos. They've been a life saver when friends come over for a sesh. I can always find one that fits their rig/my nails.

    That's just a bungee to hold the cord for my coil in place so it doesn't wobble around and kill the coil from wear and tear. It came with the 710 whip that I've since retired, but still use the bungee.


    Since Friday morning, I got my x-mas present from the SO.

    [​IMG]

    Yes, I 100% bit Chases from TheCCC420's setup off when I was dropping hints I wanted this for x-mas.
     
  14. Danksta

    Danksta Well-Known Member

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    After getting stuck in the sorting facility my 30mm SiC insert has arrived! :rockon:

    Early impressions are good, very good in fact. I had to turn my heater up to 620 to get the insert to fully function to my liking and it tasted wonderful. Sapphire does indeed taste better, but not by a lot. Dare I say this early I might like the SiC more? It delivers great taste and better vapor imo. Much easier to finish dabs with the SiC and they all taste amazing. I wanted the Liger for it's efficiency and when you use SiC I feel it's more on point than the sapphire.

    I do miss the clarity of sapphire though. It was a better view when it was a clear insert on silver. Still nice though.

    Thanks @CCA710 !

    ...back to :science:
     
  15. mutten840

    mutten840 Well-Known Member

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    @Danksta best part of the SiC in the 30 is you can do better back to back dabs when entertaining or wanting to do that big ass dab. I really like the SiC also and agree that the flavor is a little better with the sapphire, but the price point and such make the SiC a better match for the 30 for most :tup:. The 20 with the sapphire is a whole other level though. I think the 20 is where the sapphire insert really shines over the SiC. I loves me some sapphire dabs in the 20 =p
     
  16. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Is that with the full melt man? I've never found either of my SiC nails to taste better than either of my sapphire nails with full melt or anything I want to taste. The only exceptions I've found are with oils that had a generic errl taste (SiC gives more clouds, more quickly so the less than delicious dabs are ideally placed here since they're quicker) or a taste that I don't like.

    With some oils, the taste difference is very minor (especially low terp typical solvent extracts and some lesser rosins) between SiC and Sapphire, but I find the difference very large when it comes to full melt and high end rosins. SiC just doesn't do them justice IME. These days, since it is all full melt for me, I only use SiC for torch dabs (I use the d-nail SiC for this, no need to fuck up the anodized finish on my Liger dish when the d-nail SiC does not require you to torch metal :) ).

    The man who came up with the idea to use SiC and Sapphire nails himself has always said that some terp profiles shine on SiC whereas others do on Sapphire. Maybe what I'm saying above is my version of that? My material is extremely consistent in quality (all full melts) and generally the same variety most of the time.

    If you only dab full melt like me (or high end rosin, or HTFSE or you're dipping in blue river terps or similar), then you want sapphire. SiC is for backup or torch use in this scenario IME. However like the guys say above, whether sapphire is justified at all may actually depend on more than your budget. If you don't dab connoisseur quality extracts, then do you really need a sapphire dish? Does that low-cost run of the mill BHO shatter that tastes like every other overpurged shatter you ever dabbed (but gets the job done!) need to be experienced on sapphire for 5 times the asking price of SiC? IMO in this case you save your hard-earned cash and get more efficient medication with SiC, since enjoying the flavor is not the priority/in any case is not going to happen?

    This is something that is seldom discussed on FC: Sometimes we need to decide which vape is best for our needs by looking at the quality of what is available to us. This goes for flowers too! Do you want to use an evo for a variety of flower whose taste you can't stand, but which is good medicine for you/all that is available? Of course not!

    Why spend money on tasting more of something you don't necessarily want to taste in the first place! lol I have definitely experienced this with flowers too back when that was mainly what I vaped. Could only get some absolutely terrible low quality black market flowers for a little while years ago. I'd find myself putting them into the haze and max temping them through a lot of water to avoid tasting it!

    SiC can serve this purpose very well because it is the quickest to vaporize your oil, but it also provides the extra benefit that it tastes better than anything but sapphire (jack the temp up a bit if you really don't wanna taste your dab for any reason).

    Here is a very incomplete buyer's guide based on some simple descriptions of usage needs below:

    Is your budget low? Buy SiC
    Do you only dab average BHO/QWISO/QWET etc? Buy SiC
    Do you use a torch? Buy SiC

    Do you dab full melt with any regularity? Buy Sapphire
    Do you dab high end rosin/HTFSE or something similarly stand-out? Buy Sapphire
    Do you expect that you'll do either of the above in the future and have spare change laying around? Buy sapphire

    As for size of dish, see the above. I definitely can see the argument for the 20mm in cases where one is mostly dabbing oil that can be accurately applied with a dabber (unless you are really taking monstrous big dabs which may overflow the insert lol). The more restricted airflow that comes with a narrower bucket will equate to the clouds getting to you slightly more quickly and there'll be less chance of vapor escaping into the air before you get the cap on.

    If you are scooping unpressed full melt or crumble or anything similar, then I'd want the 30mm. The problem with the 20mm for these ones is that there is comparatively a lot of vertical distance in the banger bucket before your dab hits the insert. In the 20mm variant there is much more chance due to narrower bucket that your scooped material may hit the titanium sides of the banger, go down the side of your insert and taste less than ideal as a result.

    Also if you are videoing melt shots, get the 30mm lol ;)
     
  17. Danksta

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    ATM, the reason I like the SiC so much is I'm getting better vapor AND great taste. Both are very important to me. I don't think sapphire is near as efficient. In order to get the same vapor quality with sapphire I have to increase my temp. I've noticed with sapphire the higher the temp, the quicker the taste quality drops. Get it too hot and it's nearly tasteless. The SiC, I can do low temp and finish a dab much faster and still preserve a lot of the terps. The vapor is slightly thicker so my mouth is coated more with the SiC than the sapphire.

    Yes the melt tasted great. I have no doubt it tasted better on my sapphire. However the difference is not big to me.

    I'm very much intrigued by the 20mm sapphire more now though. It sounds like that size might be more efficient for sapphire. Even once I got it dialed in I always felt like sapphire was not as efficient as I'd hoped. Perhaps I had other expectations.

    For now the SiC is kicking ass!
     
  18. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I have maintained since before there was any liger sapphire or SiC offering that SiC will get quicker, thicker clouds at lower temps, but with lesser flavor. Sapphire is for enjoying the flavor with a longer hit.

    The best way to use sapphire nails is to leave the cap on while you exhale and take a few hits until the vapor production stops, confident that the end of the hit will taste as good as the start (if you are dabbing true 6 star, it will!). Dabbing on sapphire in this way takes slightly longer, but this allows you to use those lower temps and enjoy far superior flavor, rather than mildly superior flavor if you are jacking up sapphire temps to get faster clouds like SiC nails.

    Dialling in the perfect temp with sapphire definitely takes more time than SiC because SiC has a very wide window of functional temps, whereas sapphire the range is reduced and hitting that sweet temp range is more difficult. Once you get it right though, there is no competition IME for flavor.

    SiC will always win hands-down for generating the clouds more quickly and finishing the dab more quickly. For some reason, everyone I see in youtube videos stop inhaling and capping about 1/3 through their dab boiling and let the rest boil into the air. This is completely unnecessary, especially with sapphire. You can leave your carb cap on while you exhale and take a breath, then take another hit and finish the oil you would have otherwise wasted (the end of the hit still tastes great too)!

    This brings me to the general topic of wasteful dabbing. I see so many people wasting a huge amount of their meds in the above fashion. If you aren't going to inhale for long enough for the entire hit to vaporize, then don't dab such large amounts! lol

    As someone who makes ultra-high quality medicine, I want to make sure that I make efficient use of ALL OF IT. I am conscious that I am very privileged to enjoy such high quality material all the time - to waste it IMO is a crime against cannabis! :leaf:

    Especially when watching all of the popular youtube dabbing channels, I find myself thinking that we could medicate a nation off of all that wasted and high quality medicine boiling into the air off of the nail!

    The big benefit of sapphire is that you can do that super low temp, long hit and waste nothing. It allows you to leave your cap on and taste your meds until no more vapor comes out of your rig (disclaimer - this is hard to achieve with the hurricane cap because it doesn't seal very well on the 30mm liger - get a storm cell cap or something that seals better and is easily left on top of the nail).

    As I said above, if you want super quick, thick cloudy rips when you dab that don't taste quite as good, but still taste great - SiC is the best you can get right now. If you want to enjoy the flavor MUCH MORE with a slightly longer rip (generally an extra toke or two), then use sapphire in the way I discuss above :)

    By the way man, your SiC full melt dabs will still taste great of course, full melt can taste outstanding compared to other extracts even if consumed with a hemp wick and a stainless steel screen over a traditional flower bowl :lol: Ain't no substitute for better quality meds as I'm sure you have noticed.

    Still, nothing tastes nearly as good compared to the method I describe above on sapphire (this can be used on SiC too, but it doesn't compare) ;)

    TL : DR Different materials require different dabbing techniques IMO :)

    But if you dab the best, you need sapphire to experience your meds greatest potential (greatest achievable with current nails that is!). IME the tastiest way to use any nail at all is to take a low temp long dab, leaving your carb on nail between exhales until the hit is finished as outlined above.

    Obviously each nail has it's place depending on what you dab and how you like to dab. Still, I've never once found myself reaching for the SiC over sapphire (to be clear: I've used SiC nails for longer than anybody on FC).

    By the way, I will point out that the above leave-your-cap-on-long-dab-low-temp technique does not work well with quartz, as the end of the hit starts to taste DISGUSTING and overcooked. This is why I find quartz to be last gen as a dabbing substance. It requires waste if you want good taste. Sapphire and SiC both have benefits to offer that quartz does not, and quartz has no redeeming qualities being priced like SiC.

    In summary of my leave your cap on approach to dabbing:

    Joe Cocker said it best!

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  19. Silat

    Silat When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind.

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    Did you finally get on?
    If not, then just email the man and he will send you a Paypal invoice. No fuss no muss. ;)
     
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  20. Gn0sis

    Gn0sis Active Member

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    website still not fixed. what's his email?
     
  21. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    IIRC He is at contact@cca710.com :)
     
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  22. Gn0sis

    Gn0sis Active Member

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    ah, then i already contacted him. didnt know that would be going to him directly. gonna wait for a reply then.
     
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  23. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Yup you got him, this is no doubt the same delay others have experienced in replies to contact. Hopefully he gets back to you soon my friend :)
     
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  24. Gonzo_da_wind

    Gonzo_da_wind Active Member

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  25. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    What do you wanna say to us?
     

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