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Cannabis-only smokers who switched to vaping?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Qbit, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. zymos

    zymos Well-Known Member

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    Wait- what?
    Millions of people have smoked weed without tobacco for centuries.
    Totally perverse that it would be seen as somehow weird to NOT mix it with tobacco....
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  2. djonkoman

    djonkoman Well-Known Member

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    everyone around here seems to think like that too. but I started smoking pure almost right away(my first time I actually ot high was also first time pure), in the beginning I had to light my joints very often.
    but now I have learned weed can burn very well in a joint too, if you roll it right. a bit loose. for example I never poke in the end of my joints, only tap the tip. and thin, that heps in burning too. pure joints burn exactly right I think, they go out if you wait a bit longer so it doesn't burn away when you are dreaming away. (vaping is even better, no burning away at all in between hits)

    and even with a tiny bit of tobacco you have that nasty tobaccotaste and nicotine-itch in your throat. pure weed burns more, but deeper in your throat and easier to get used to then the more shallow nicotineburn/itch.
    I have noticed trough the years that people who smoke tobacco or are used to mixed joints find pure joints more harsh and often couh from them, but that people who don't smoke tobacco and aren't used to joints with tobacco find with tobacco more harsh
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  3. Titamius

    Titamius Developing Connoisseur & Vaporist

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    Around here many people who do or don't smoke tobacco end up getting hooked on it anyway because they put it under their herbs in bongs, to my disgust. They call it "poppers", and some people eventually won't smoke anything but poppers because of the addictiveness and head rush they get. I never liked their method. I rarely see someone mix tobacco in joints.
    I've always hated tobacco and have only ever smoked it in a few poppers and a few joints back before I even tried vapor. I have just hit my first full month without smoking herb since I started to vape, and my lung function feels amazing and I only ever cough from mj now if I took a huge hit. I am also in martial arts and it seems it has improved my endurance, it takes considerably longer for me to lose my breath. And I also love the high I get from it compared to smoking, so I know its for me.:tup:
  4. m0sh

    m0sh Singer Song Writer Stoner

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    Regardless of this, I don't agree...

    There are many reason I do so but still the only place who don't do so is....USA.
    IF you add a little bit tobacco the flow is much better and it balances the taste to the proper level...

    I hate tobacco and I'll never smoked it alone but the thought about smoking only weed is a no no
    But also its too f-ing expensive here to get proper weed (20euros a gram) so this is also to make it cheaper...

    All in all - Vape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smoke
  5. vorrange

    vorrange Well-Known Member

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    It is too expensive here as well to smoke pure unless you grown your own or you have a pretty steady income.

    And before i stopped smoking i always rolled with tobacco mixed in (like most european countries..) but last week i tried a couple hits with a pure joint and it didn't hurt my throat like it did when i smoked a pure joint and i was a regular smoker.

    The conclusion is the same as djonko's.. if you never smoked tobacco, pure weed is fine. But if your used to smoke tobacco or mix tobacco in your joints, it will be very unpleasant to try pure weed.

    Vaporizing is the superior delivery method IMO, more than eating and with no comparison with combusting.

    Even if it turns out to be true that MJ does not cause cancer when combusting, i still feel that it is much harder on your organism than vaporizing and you are still exposed to other potential ailments, respiratory and otherwise.
  6. Ratm22

    Ratm22 Professional Vaporist

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    Yeah, I can't stand a spliff. It always seemed like my joint was being poisoned.

    In hard times tobacco was a great way to cut your herb and make it last longer, but there are dispensaries now.

    I still would call myself a cannabis only smoker. If someone asked if I smoked, I would always ask what? tobacco? MJ?
    I never would smoke light cigs or menthols, usually rolled a select imported tobacco from the local shop or american spirits.

    But this is FC. And I'm here to vape! Put your old nasty cancer sticks down and grab a bag of vapor and an e-cig!

    Bonus question: Do you still save the ABV that has tobacco in it?
  7. poonman

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    There are many reason I do so but still the only place who don't do so is....USA.

    Way back when ,
    We used to only mix tobacco when rolling a hash spliff or an oil spliff .
    Mainly to help it burn evenly and economics .
    Rolling it with weed was always a better combo , but costly .
    I got hooked on cigs for a while , mainly because of my exposure to those spliffs .

    " I think " you may be fooling yourself ,and that you may already be addicted to tobacco .
    Try rolling a joint without the use of tobacco , just once or twice .
    I find it hard to believe that you can't dry out your bud/weed , to the point where you can
    break it up just by pressing it between your thumb and 1st finger . ( back and forth )

    Also , the tobacco taste just ruins the pure taste of good MJ . imo
    So now , when I smoke hash , it's always in a pipe or vaping it .
    And when I do roll oilers , I guess , I can afford to roll it with weed now or vape it also .

    I've been smoking MJ for 35 years now .
    ( old habits are hard to break )
    I've been vaping for a good 1 year now .
    ( new habits are easy to accept )

    I currently smoke 50 % and vape 50 % of my meds :)
    I hope to up the vape % side , to eventually 100 % .
    Because I may be " fooling myself " if I don't ...!

    Happy Cannabizing All
  8. VisiblyVaped

    VisiblyVaped Active Member

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    Simply look at the resin formed after smoking a couple grams vs vaping it. And look at the gooey thickness of the resin from combustion.
    Equate that to your lungs......

    Excuse any incoherency, its early and I usually only see this time on the clock once a day.
  9. m0sh

    m0sh Singer Song Writer Stoner

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    Its true that once I started vaping I had to put more herb to enjoy joints...
    I agree with you about addiction...FYI - I don't like smoking and never did...its always "hard" but I tend to smoke when people come visit and they don't like vaping or its just a too big hassle...with friends I tend to smoke but just minor use...its pretty much 80/20 % vape/smoke (100%/0 when its only me or with my GF)

    I am not fooling myself, I'm telling my friends who dislike vaping that they are addicted to the smoke and to the chemical and I might sometimes want this feeling as well...

    I have not smoke pure MJ for a long time...but still with all you're saying - it doesn't burn as well as tobacco.
  10. djonkoman

    djonkoman Well-Known Member

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    depends on what you see as well, with tobacco indeed burns faster and stays lit longer, but I think pure weed can burn 'better'. if you roll i loose enough, it will easily stay on if you regularly take a hit, maybe have to light it a few times near the end of the joint. but when you're dreaming away for a bit or for another reason don't hit it for a bit longer, or you lay it away in the ashtray, it goes out and is preserved for next time.
    for example once on truffles I had rolled a nice pure joint(with hash in the middle) for myself beforehand, took 2-3 small hits and was so high and spacing I completely forgot about the joint in my hand. an hour later or so I look at my hand and realise I still have a complete joint. that goes on for a while, next morning I still had half left.
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  11. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    I feel like that since i started Vaping.. :D
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  12. m0sh

    m0sh Singer Song Writer Stoner

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    I would love to try and smoke it alone like you say but its such a waste...

    You need at least .5g for a joint IMO which is 10 euro for a joint for me!!! FFS I wish I grew - then I'd try it like you say but also I feel that even if it was cheaper people would still do so...I guess its just popularity and awareness.... fuck combustion !!!!

    @Abysmal Vapor - Great pic!!! ... not so sure about vaporizers being 0 toxin free...they start to appear at 400F but its really nothing.
  13. zymos

    zymos Well-Known Member

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    Abysmal- what is "carbonite"?
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  14. poonman

    poonman Well-Known Member

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    I'm just wondering about the 0% tar and toxins part .
    Yes vaping is less harmful than smoking , But I reclaim a lot of resin/oil from my whip tubes .
    And I always seem to get this salty taste in my mouth when vaping for a long period .

    I guess what I'm suggesting is that , THC resins are getting in your lungs . imo
    Which , don't get me wrong , I really like .

    But since I do both functions on a daily basis .
    imo .
    I find smoking it gives you a " bigger kick " , and that is why " I " find it hard to quit at this time .
    Vaping MJ is a different kind of " Kick " for me . A very good kick or I wouldn't continue .

    Yes I have seen the vid on you-tube where the Prof. explains the body is just reacting to the smoke
    toxins your body has just ingested ...
    Again , Don't get wrong , That's the part/high I really like :)
  15. vorrange

    vorrange Well-Known Member

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    I believe the content inside the water bottles is a representation to the amount of harmfull tar and other carcinogens in smoke from the various processes of doing it.. the resin you reclaim is condensed THC and bits of plant matter.
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  16. poonman

    poonman Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for clarifying the water bottles v ,

    So , you are in agreement that "some" condensed THC , is getting into your lungs ? ( when vaping )
  17. vorrange

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    I think it is only fair to assume it happens. What happens to it afterwards and how vaping frequency will influence it, is a more pressing question.

    zymos, isnt carbonite like those ceramic filters in the genie and the health stone you put in bong bowls?
  18. nucleo

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    Ah man... it's the chemicals they use on the tobacco that makes you think there's a point to smoke. It's like saying i'll strangle you and release, the moment you gasp for air you feel that feeling of rejoice. Same thing with smoking tobacco cept, there's no physical pain, so you are tricked into thinking that you will get more air everytime you smoke, but in reality you already have what you want and it will only get better, thing is without realising it you are going to repeat the cycle because you want to gasp for air, you want drama, it's so much more exciting than breathing normaly. At the cost of your life. There is absolutely NOTHING a cig has, that can help me, physicaly, mentaly or scientificaly.
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  19. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    Amen Brother ! :bowdown:
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  20. vorrange

    vorrange Well-Known Member

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    I will have to respectfully disagree with you nucleo. Tobacco has more than enough addictive appeal, about the same as heroin, and nicotine induces the brain to produce dopamine, which is what makes you rejoice.

    Of course, the chemicals they use don't help either, neither does the compounds of combustion alone.

    I think that people who believe that smoking anything or just weed does not cause an array of problems are just fooling themselves.

    I have been there, and i most likely do it with vaping as well or any other thing that we need to not over indulge. We just rationalize the eventual cons, so we can keep doing whatever we want to keep on doing.

    The thing is, certain things harm much more than others and tobacco causes more harm and is much more addictive than MJ, and combustion is much more harmfull than vaping.

    Just don't think that vaping is the same as not-vaping, it isn't.
  21. nucleo

    nucleo Active Member

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    If you are like me, an analytic type person, the weed won't affect you the same way it will affect someone who is a driver type.

    Yes vapor is bad, but is harmless when compared to smoke. Not as harmless as when compared to air, but just as harmless as polution, does this make sense?

    Yes nicotine does do stuff to the brain, but after a while the lies it produces in there don't work anymore, well they don't with me :(

    Suck on a cig and take a look at the filter, pass vapor through an identical filter and tell me what you find.
  22. vorrange

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    I agree with that, i don't understand the analytic type connection. I don't think that is what makes you more/less prone to be affected by weed.

    What i was disagreeing was you talking about the chemicals they use in tobacco to be the problem. Tobacco doesn't need added chemicals to be nasty to you..
  23. nucleo

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    Actually you are far from the truth, besides the use of the chemicals to preserve the tobacco and manufacture it to it's standard, you discart the possibility that 1 of the 600 in cigarette isn't the magic potion that allows your brain to give way to another.

    Since cigs are a mind drug, here's the metaphore.

    Each chemical is a person, and each person has been invited into your world, and out of each chemical, there are maybe 50-60 for example that you see everyday, you see them when you eat, drink, breathe, maybe when you rub cream on yourself, you see them again because they exist elsewhere and you contract them elsewhere. However, out of the ones you don't see everyday, there are ones that are only seen once in a while, like maybe you enjoy the smell of fuel? or some distinctive smell from glue while you are in art class sticking a piece of paper to another? Then you have those that are only present in cigs, such as the "free-base" chemicals or those only manufactured in labs. Well ok, out of all these people (chemicals) you see, there is this one girl or boy you fall in love with, at first you might "feel" that you are in love, because that person seems to make you "feel" good, and being with that person kind of makes all the other people make you "feel" good about yourself.

    This happens on a sub-conscious level, nothing you can directly control unless you do it on a level of pure strength of will which even then will be because you are blocking off not that one person, but rather putting up a whole wall and ridding yourself causing collateral damage such as maybe present thoughts, forcing the chemistry in your body to change, stress and other factors that i can't think of right now. The truth boils down to the story where your consciouness which in this case we will refer to as "daddy or mommy" is saying "you can't have that person" and in contrast, even though you are the one who made that decision and you are the one going through with it without anyone holding a gun at your head, your sub-conscious will reflect back holding your hand with another answer such as "why can't i be with him/her?" "there's nothing wrong" "there's no pain" "it's nothing just to see him again" "it's only once anyway" "i can always say no if i don't like it". In this situation you will yield, you will be torn by both your consciouness and sub-consciouness. When you see people using cigs or tobacco, it will side with your what you are seeing and will work against you. It's a painful story of romeo and juliet.

    If you take all 600 chemicals and for each living person, suppose each chemical might be delegated to be at the top of the pyramid as the starting element of addiction leading to many several other addictions of other chemicals without the user even realising, leading to the common nicotine addiction. I would say that 600 chemicals, most with the potential of starting the addiction, just like going to a friends party, making friends with his friends then becoming your friends friend best friends, then sleeping with his sister and becoming a family member. Not so far off saying your friend is a terpene that you administer everyday with food and you see him again when you smoke tobacco, only this time he's with other people, and out of those people you thought it was cool to make them a part of your life.

    Only difference with smoking is that you don't make any decisions besides using fire to light up.

    So yes, i do think that the people behind the manufacturing of cigarettes and tobacco have designed it so well that you will eventually become addicted to smoking. It was designed in such a way that there was a need for so many chemicals, a justification to have every single one present. They would have more of a chance to getting you hooked on with 600 chemicals rather than just nicotine. If nicotine doesn't work on you, then they will make it work on you. Each chemical, each road, leads to another, until you reach your destination, and that's addiction. If one doesn't work, there's another.

    I mean come on, look how much money they are making, if they didn't have so many people hooked on do you think they would come this far? They have enough money to finance research to this degree, and probably even past standard government research. People who have this much money are capable of selling poison to you and make you believe you are taking a youth potion.
  24. poonman

    poonman Well-Known Member

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    So we " All " agree ,
    Tobacco is bad !
    Slightly derailing ...from Qbit's question .
    The main ingredient is " MJ/THC " for doing both ways .
    I realize this is a vape forum , and can understand the " back-lashing " one gets for admitting to smoke MJ

    But follow me on this ;
    Smoking THC is version 1
    Digesting THC is version 2
    Vaping THC is version 3 :)

    And yes , Vaping has improved my health and I'm better off for doing so .
    I will shoot for 100 % vaping ...eventually .

    " And now , back to " my " regular-scheduled program " :)
  25. vapirtoo

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    Wow ! As an old pot head ( 60 ) who has smoked weed with all kinds of different people
    here in NYC , we never mixed tobacco with our herb. This "mixing" is a recent thing brought
    on by those who smoke spliffs.

    I believe the original Jamaican spliffs were all weed wrapped in corn husk.

    Most of my friends hate the smell of tobacco and would never mix that poison with good herb!

    I never smoked tobacco, but like many of us on this forum I have smoked weed for decades
    and have only switched to vaporizing 03/2010.

    For a while I hungered for that joint like hit, but eventually that vapor taste, especially from
    that first pull, won out and now I can't combust at all.

    My lungs feel great, but I seem to be vaping all the time. The launch box lends itself to this
    as you can take a pull almost anywhere.

    I was amazed that so many forum members use tobacco.
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