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Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by vtac, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    I generally agreed with your post but have a problem with how this is stated. One does not have to be "high" to have cannabis affect the job. At what point would an employer have the right to test? (If ever.)

    It is clear a certain segment of the population who use cannabis have a problem with it. Not going to argue percentages, but some. Should an employer have the right to mitigate the damage to his business by firing cannabis users?

    From a study I posted in the driving while high section, there is some evidence that cannabis users may have the drug effect their driving even when they haven't recently used. If it is found that cannabis use DOES affect driving even when the use is not recent, should an employer have the right to mitigate the chance of driving liability on his business caused by cannabis users?

    We could go on, but, it seems like even a person who is not high at the time at work could still be less good at work because of cannabis use. Does an employer or potential employer have the right to act on that potential?

    I've known guys who won't hire a worker unless he has a mortgage. It has nothing to do with the job but their "logic" is that, once a guy HAS to go to work to keep his house, he goes to work regularly. In their minds, a mortgage does not go away if the guy has a bad day and wants to yell at his boss. You could say the same for rent in my mind, yet, their logic differs. Is that their right?

    Personally, I'd like everyone to be taken on face value. If they can do the work it really doesn't matter if they got a degree, had a mortgage or smoked a doobie. (Well, I guess if they smoked...) If an employer feels a person is doing the job, everyone should be happy without any testing. (Some jobs have some legally mandated testing and we're not talking about those.) If the guy is no longer doing the job, fire them; no matter if it is because of being stupid, ugly, smelly or being a drug user. No testing needed!

    It's when we want to protect a person's job and prevent free firing for any, or no, reason where the schema of testing comes up. Sure, most states are "at will" where the boss can fire...at will. Yet, there are costs to unsupported firing. There are the hard to quantify costs of a churning workforce as well as increases in unemployment insurance. (Other insurance like worker's compensation also seem to be a lot higher when the workforce moves a lot.)

    If we had a choice of testing or of only being fired for cause, what would be the best choice?
     
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  2. Planck

    Planck believes in Dog

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    We would have to define "high" and "affect the job". Do you have peer reviewed papers that conclude or support your assertion? At what point would or should
    a LEO have the right to administer a drug test. I am not sure I'd agree an employer alone should ever be allowed to drug test. Either one does their job satisfactorily or they do not. If not satisfactory does it or should it matter to the employer what the reason is?

    Clearly individuals have problems with many things, drugs among them. Should employers have the right to DNA samples to screen for problem? Is there legit data (evidence) that off hour cannabis use damages businesses. WHat sort of damage and what sort of business. Should all "employees" be held to the same testing standards?

    I have not read this study yet, not following that thread.
    I won't answer a vague hypothetical "If it is found that cannabis use DOES affect driving even when the use is not recent"

    That is in line with my thoughts and practices.
     
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  3. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    A LEO only has a "right" to test when a court orders it. He has some power to seize evidence when he has probable cause to believe a crime is being or has been committed. When the seizure involves things like bodily fluids, many states might require consent or a court order. Even in states that do not require such an order, the officer can not use force that would shock the conscience to collect the sample.

    DNA is a much more difficult issue. As with cannabis use, the answer will be political. There will be clear benefits to the employer at some point to know employee's DNA results. Yet, Gattaca. Lady or the tiger? Freedom or security?
     
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  4. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    rnartian Well-Known Member

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    Is it even viable to try and start a cannabis farm if you aren't already a rich businessperson or famous? Even the famous ones have problems, it seems :lol:
     
  6. FlyingLow

    FlyingLow Team NO SLEEP!

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    From what I read, the brand is going onward, Whop is stepping out of the picture though.
     
  7. Relaxed

    Relaxed Active Member

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    Similar to Gwenyth Paltrow's candle, I'm not sure I want Whoopi's weed....
     
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  8. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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  9. Papa Woody

    Papa Woody "The vapor is strong with this one"-Obi Onda Woody

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    Bud that smells like Gwyneth’s candles...Hmmm.
     
  10. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    Candles. Is that some kind of euphemism?
     
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    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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  12. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Well, Paltrow, through her company Goop, is selling a candle that smells of Gwyenth's Hoo Haw. It's called “This Smells Like My Vagina.” It's only $75
     
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  13. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    I have many responses but none of them belong in this thread...
     
  14. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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  15. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    a few = 1974 - antineoplastic activity of cannabinoids https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1159836
    2016 - anti cancer mechanisms of cannabinoids - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4791144/
    2019 - modulation of the endocannabinoid system as an potential anti cancer strategy https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2019.00430/full
    Endocannabinoid system is humans cancer defense system https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Endocanna...ancer+defense+system&t=ffcm&atb=v165-1&ia=web
     
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  16. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Some Old Folks Rock.... and stay off my lawn
    Seniors, it’s okay that you still love cannabis

    When people think of cannabis consumers, the first image that usually comes to mind is someone in their early 20’s—that fun time in life. But today’s older adults are the people who created the foundational cannabis subculture for the industry that exists today. And some of them never stopped toking!

     
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  17. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Trump Budget Proposes Ending State Medical Marijuana Protections And Blocking DC From Legalizing

    President Trump proposed ending an existing policy that protects state medical marijuana programs from Justice Department interference as part of his fiscal year 2021 budget plan released on Monday.

    The rider, which has been renewed in appropriations legislation every year since 2014, stipulates the the Justice Department can’t use its funds to prevent states or territories “from implementing their own laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana.”
     
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  19. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Cans suck the THC buzz out of pot drinks.

    Scientists have determined that liners inside aluminum cans can cause cannabis drinks to lose their potency. That means by the time a pot drink is put in a can, shipped, stored in a warehouse, displayed in a store, and finally consumed, the buzz promised on the label may have diminished or disappeared.

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    Amsterdam looks to bar foreign visitors from buying cannabis

    The mayor of Amsterdam has sought to win political backing for her cleanup of the overcrowded red-light district by revealing that a third of foreign tourists and nearly half of Britons would be less likely to visit the city again if they were barred from buying cannabis in the coffee shops.
     
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  20. Krazy

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    I will pay $75 to NOT smell Gwyenth Paltrows Hoo Haw.
    Thanks for all the news links!
     
  21. Magic9

    Magic9 Plant Enthusiast

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    LA County DA To Dismiss Nearly 66K Marijuana Convictions

    LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) – In a sweeping move, Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey announced that her office has asked the court to dismiss nearly 66,000 marijuana convictions going back decades.

    In a news conference Thursday morning, Lacey called it the largest such undertaking in state history.

    “We believe it is the largest effort in California to wipe out old criminal convictions in a single court motion,” Lacey said.
     
  22. Ramahs

    Ramahs Fucking Combustion (mostly) Since February 2017

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    And those $75 Smells Like My Vagina candles sold completely out within minutes of being released on the website :rofl:
     
  23. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    There are some happy Incels out there....
     
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  24. His_Highness

    His_Highness In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king

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    I'm guessing the Vagina Candle's sales are split between people who genuinely wanted to smell Gwyneth Paltrow's, er, um..... essence.... and those looking for a gag gift. I'm also guessing that the majority or the sales were for gag gifts. When I say "gag gift" I don't mean someone who gave it to someone expecting they'd gag, choke or throw up in their own mouth. What I'm trying to say is .... I don't think most people bought the candle for it's intended purpose to supply light while wafting the smell of ..... Paltrow's essential oils.

    It's like the Trump Toilet Paper I was given as a gag gift where each sheet has a picture of Trump smiling and the tag line is "Wipe the smile off Trump's face". I have no plans to use said toilet paper and I'm sure the gift giver didn't expect I would.
     
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  25. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I'd be into Roasted Vagina or Smoked vagina or even Burning Vagina, though that last one :D
    a Lit Up Vag seems OK
     

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