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Discussion in 'Cannabis News and Activism' started by vtac, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. OldNewbie

    OldNewbie Well-Known Member

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    TLDR; drug war is bad, m'kay. At least according to the International Drug Policy Consortium report just out.

    http://fileserver.idpc.net/library/Shadow Report_FINAL_ENGLISH.pdf

    What we learn from the shadow report is compelling. Since governments started collecting data on drugs in the 1990s – based on the seizures of illegal substances, on the arrests of people who use drugs and their admission to treatment services, and on the eradication of illegal crops – the cultivation, consumption and illegal trafficking of drugs have reached record levels. Moreover, current drug policies are a serious obstacle to other social and economic objectives: progress on combating the HIV epidemic had been significant in the last 20 years, but is now stalled among people who inject drugs; prison overcrowding has worsened, with a fifth of the world’s inmates being arrested for drug-related offences and mostly for drug use alone; and the ‘war on drugs’ has resulted in millions of people murdered, disappeared, or internally displaced. As the situation stands today, the major Sustainable Development Goals that concern gender equality, the protection of the environment, socioeconomic development, and the reduction of violence and corruption will not be achieved for an important part of the population because of current drug policies.​
     
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  2. florduh

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    I agree. What positive metric has the Drug War accomplished. Millions of lives ruined. A trillion in tax dollars spent, with zero return on investment. People are doing "drugs" more than ever. The "Drug War" has been the least successful government program, maybe ever.

    Cannabis should be legalized and regulated like alcohol. I don't think it should be taxed or regulated MORE than alcohol though. If anything, the Government should tax cannabis LESS than alcohol. Cannabis is safer and results in fewer health issues than alcohol. We would save on healthcare spending if more people moved from alcohol consumption, to cannabis. Yet, even "pro-weed" politicians want to tax weed MORE than alcohol. This is bad public policy. Maybe one day we'll use evidence and facts to govern.

    Most other illegal drugs should be decriminalized. This would save taxpayers millions per year. Funnel that savings into drug treatment programs. Portugal is a great model. Even prohibitionists in that country admit their new treatment based approach has been successful.
     
  3. unsorted

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    Not being familiar with TLDR as an acronym, I was guessing "The Latest Drug Report", but after a search I found that it typically means "Too Long, Didn't Read". This is not directed at you Old Newbie, I appreciate your posts, but here's one of Urban Dictionary's definitions just for fun... Keep in mind.


    TLDR
    Too Long. Didn't Read.

    Frequently used acronym by lazy, ignorant people in Internet Forums, where their urge to type something exceeds their ability to read something or if they generally lack semantic ability to either comprehend or respond to a post due to underdeveloped brain.

    Stating that they were to lazy reading someone else's post just confirms the ignorant attitude and also often destroys the discussion in the thread.

    The average IQ of people typing TLDR in Internet forums is about 64.


    Since I am a lonely masturbating boy with no brain I have no capacity to read all you said, but due to my lonely social life I still feel like typing something in this thread, I will type TLDR.

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TLDR
     
  4. florduh

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    In context, TLDR can also just refer to a summary of a long post or article. That's how I took OldNewbie 's comment.
     
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  5. C No Ego

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    cannabis is coming in on the coattails of tobacco and all of that plants horrific effects on the populace... and nobody except cannabis users mostly understand cannabinoids( phyto / endo) that help drive the metabolism of the plant and make it healthy in so doing... people just see smoking only... not even really looking into other cannabis administration routes either ETC... just smoking and the results from that.
    how accurate would it be if a test for vaporizing cannabis or even edibles were to be the norm ? we would see an instant change in consciousness... it takes wisdom to approach it in that way though and this wisdom thingy is lacking severely
     
  6. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    Talk about oxymoronic...
    I think WE ALL need to watch more of what the president does and ignore what he says. After all, if his lips are moving we already know he is lying. He couldn't give two shits about prison reform.
    And, btw, I HATE bigotry, I HATE prejudice, I HATE dishonesty, I HATE deception, I HATE misogyny, I HATE sexual assault and sexual assaulters, I HATE putting children in jail, I HATE efforts to ignore climate change, I HATE Nazis and other white supremacists, I HATE turning our backs on people running for their lives. If that makes me a "rabid hater" than FUCK YEAH I am one. The question becomes, why the FUCK aren't you?

    If Donald Trump does ANYTHING to help legalize cannabis it will be because he found a way to personally exploit it.
     
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  7. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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  8. florduh

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    I suppose it should've read, "good". If you look at my whole quote, I'm saying a benefit of Trump over a normal Republican President is he has no closely held Right Wing principles. If any other Republican was President, there would be zero chance they'd help legalize/decriminalize cannabis. It's at least possible that the Game Show Host POTUS will, even if it's just to take the wind out of Chuck and Nancy's sails. "We'll have to see what happens."

    I don't disagree. But a lot of his more outlandish statements are now part of the historical record. Forever. How embarrassing for our country.

    I also agree here. Too bad Jared Kushner didn't go into the cultivation business, rather than somehow losing money on Manhattan Real Estate.


    Do you know how hard it is to get 2/3 of people to agree on... anything? Moreover... if the vast majority of Americans want laws changed, and our elected officials refuse to listen... do we live in a democracy?
     
  9. OldNewbie

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    Perfect. Thank you for illustrating my point.
     
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  10. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    You are perfectly welcome. Thank you for illustrating mine.
     
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  11. OldNewbie

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    That straw man claims should be hated?
     
  12. C No Ego

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    marijuana is Hemp/cannabis' straw man /stick man... control by reference
     
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  13. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    If only they were straw men. Instead THEY ARE THE ACTUAL POLICIES AND BEHAVIORS OF THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAN WHO LEADS IT. If only they were just a misdirection, but they are not. They are the core of Trump and therefore the core of what is left of the Republican party. This is the party of Trump, and if you are not part of the resistance than you are responsible for it as much as anyone in it pulling the levers.
    Straw man my ass. The only misdirections here are the lies Trump tells every day and the effort of the R party to pretend they aren't exactly what they appear to be.

    Anything, ANYTHING that Trump and his administrations do to help cannabis will either be accidental or coincidental, or a direct result of Trump finding another way to enrich himself and his friends. It will have nothing to do with helping people or keeping innocents out of jail or serving the greater good. Those are not concerns of this President. In his view those are the concerns of suckers.
     
  14. florduh

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    I think a pro-cannabis politician should take a page from Donald's book. Trump lies and claims Dems are pro MS-13 because they don't want to pay for a stupid border wall. The Cannabis Lobby should say Trump wants MS-13 to profit from cannabis, not good Christian tax paying American business owners.

    Maybe that'll force his hand.

    @OldNewbie your response to me lightly criticizing Trump, while hoping he will do the right thing, was:

    Still not sure how the "rabid haters" (:rolleyes:) are keeping Trump from doing anything with weed. His Party controls the Federal Government. If he wanted to decriminalize, he could've pushed for it any time in the past 2 years.

    The only thing I've seen coming out of the Trump Admin on cannabis was nominating a prohibitionist to AG, Sean Spicer warning there could be moves against adult use markets, and a sham commission specifically asking Federal Agencies to paint cannabis in a negative light.

    Furthermore, OldNewbie, the Trump Admin is still operating under the Obama era policy of choosing not to enforce Federal Law in legalized States. When Obama was in charge, you viewed this as some kind of miscarriage of justice. I'm sure you view the Trump Admin in the same light... just to be consistent.
     
  15. OldNewbie

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    No, they're not the actual polices and behaviors of this administration OR the man who leads it.

    It is as Piers Morgan wrote in regards to the recent approval numbers of Trump and how they are higher than Obama's as the same time of his administration:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...akes-stronger-Democrats-heading-disaster.html

    Given all the fire, brimstone and perpetual outrage about Trump since he won the White House, this is a truly remarkable state of affairs.

    Of course, America’s liberals will respond to the shock poll in the way they respond to all things Trump - with fury, incredulity and by sticking their collective heads in the sand.

    ‘HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING?’ they will wail, uncontrollably.

    ‘WHAT THE F**K IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHO LIKE HIM?’ they will howl into each other’s kale salads.

    ‘THIS IS THE END OF PLANET EARTH!’ they will sob, in their normal understated manner.
    No, I didn't.

    My problem with the Obama administration was when they promised to not enforce the federal law in (medically) legal states in their first year (With Cole Memo #1) but THEN less than a year after the promise started going after those in the states. There was no reason given for the change and election consequences is the only possible one. To help you place my concerns, I then wrote of an acquaintance I knew who lost a property he was trustee of because of the change in the Obama Administration's position.

    It was Obama's lies others (Like my mentioned acquaintance.) relied upon and the abrupt change to enforcing federal law I had a problem with, not his (much later) conversion to federalism principles in regards to cannabis. I LOVE federalism! SMALLER federal government is great!

    Or, as the libertarians say, "Diligently plotting to take over the world so they can leave you the hell alone."
     
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  16. florduh

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    LOL I guess if a Game Show Host is the President, a failed talk show host from the UK (and personal friend of Trump) can be considered a reliable source on American politics.

    What's really amazing to me is that unlike in 2010, the economy is great. And Trump is still underwater in polls. Maybe people don't enjoy it when their President speaks like an embarrassing low life?

    And while cybrguy made a lot of charges, Trump absolutely called climate change a "Chinese Hoax". As if China paid off every climate scientist and reputable scientific society/organization around the world. That is just a laughable lie.

    That sounds suspiciously like "rabid hatred".

    I remember you complaining about the Cole Memo because Obama was choosing not to fully enforce Federal Drug Laws. Maybe that was my mistake. I'm happy that you supported Obama taking a "hands off" approach to legalized States towards the end of his Presidency.
     
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  17. OldNewbie

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    I place no consideration Piers Morgan as a reliable source. He is a celebrity 1/2 the world away that pretends to be news. But, his writing completely unrelated to here seemed to frame the nonsense spewed perfectly.

    Agreed. Things are going FAR better than anyone could have predicted--why the low polls? The problem is, the reaction to his speaking like an embarrassing low life seems to expose others for what they really believe beyond their politically correct facade. It might be a part of his effectiveness and the only way to overcome the other side's advantages.

    Statements like this are a part of the problem. When you put quotes around things and say a person said it, it is supposed to be an exact quote. He absolutely did not say it was a "Chinese Hoax" as a factual matter.

    But, the charge is not meant to be a factual matter, but an emotional one. The actual tweet some say is the source of the Chinese Hoax belief was:
    "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."​

    That is the *2012* tweet. He was asked about it again in 2016 and he did not deny the tweet. What you're quoting with "Chinese Hoax" is Hillary's interpretation of the tweet. It's like seeing Russia from my front door again.

    That being said, his policy on coal mining and use for energy here and abroad and the continuation of biofuel support (corn ethanol) as well as some of his infrastructure improvement choices (Highway improvement, airport improvement) indicate he is not an environmentalist. If we add in more use of government land resources, which may or may not be a problem depending on your focus, he might look even worse. But all the actual indicators reflect real world political decisions, not something to hate.


    Fair point. I thought so myself after reading again post post. My only defense is I take it a bit personally as I know a good person who relied on the administration's position to allow for a cannabusiness on a property he was managing as trustee and got himself and his sisters screwed out of most of their inheritance. Not a good defense, but, its all I got.

    I won't get into this portion again. I suspect the issue is you misunderstood a technical legal argument. It is the same legal issue as related to immigration and where the cross over may have occurred. It gets to the concept of prosecutorial discretion and the difference between ignoring the law as a whole because the executive doesn't like it and choosing to enforce a law differently as an individual finding based on specific facts.

    Now, to bring us back to cannabis, here's to the Democrats! (Although the headline does not really match up with the story. The person quoted to the headline's effect is Oregon Democrat Earl Blumenauer. He has been in the news recently for his "Blueprint for Action" on federal marijuana legalization.)

    https://mjbizdaily.com/experts-suggest-if-us-house-flips-federal-cannabis-reform-might-follow/

    I will end with a paraphrased story. (If you can hear Gardner tell it, it's better.)

    Sen. Cory Gardner is talking with Mitch McConnell about taxes and sharing photos of their grandchildren when Gardner brings up some of the problems with taxes and banking for cannabis businesses. He expressed to McConnell that the vast majority of states have some form of legalization already saying "Heck, even Utah is thinking about making medical legal." About that time, Orin Hatch walks by.

    McConnell: "Orin! Orin! Are you hearing this? Is this true? Is Utah really going to legalize marijuana??!!"

    Orin Hatch: (Shakes his head and looks down) "First tea, then coffee, now this."

    (Found a clip. My paraphrase is a little off.)
    https://www.rollcall.com/news/hoh/cory-gardner-has-a-really-good-mitch-mcconnell-impression
     
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  18. florduh

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    I put "Chinese Hoax" in quotes because it's ridiculous. It also clearly describes what the President believes:

    "In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!" - December 2017

    "This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice" 2014

    "Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee - I'm in Los Angeles and it's freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!" 2013


    "We can't destroy the competitiveness of our factories in order to prepare for nonexistent global warming. China is thrilled with us!" 2012


    "Snowing in Texas and Louisiana, record setting freezing temperatures throughout the country and beyond. Global warming is an expensive hoax!" -2014

    "NBC News just called it the great freeze - coldest weather in years. Is our country still spending money on the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX?" 2014

    "Record setting cold and snow, ice caps massive! The only global warming we should fear is that caused by nuclear weapons - incompetent pols." -2015
     
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  19. cybrguy

    cybrguy I mean really, WTF

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    So I'm curious @florduh, which of my "charges" do you think are incorrect? He's not a bigot? He is not a serial sexual assaulter and a misogynist? He's not a liar? He doesn't support white supremacists? Which of my "charges" don't apply to him? I think they all do, and I suspect you do too.
     
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  20. florduh

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    I largely agree with all of that. I just didn't want to get into litigating each and every one of those claims. I thought his denial of climate change was the clearest and easiest charge to prove. And even then, you saw how the discussion devolved into a legalistic parsing of the President's insane words.

    To attempt to bring things back on topic, this matters in regards to his supposed support of cannabis legalization. He says a lot of things. He said he had a healthcare plan that would affordably cover everyone. That was bullshit. So I don't take any positive sounding noises he's made regarding cannabis seriously.
     
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  21. blackstone

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    Reading the program of events for a sponsored canna conference in Austria, I saw in the notes that it coincides with the next UN meeting also in Austria and it gave a related update as follows:

    "December 5-6-7th 2018, the UN Commission of Narcotic Drugs (CND), the only United Nations body dealing with Cannabis policy, will receive the final scheduling recommendations of the World Health Organization (WHO) on cannabidiol (40th ECDD) and cannabis in all forms (41st ECDD). These recommendations will be presented to the 187 Member States at the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) headquarters in Vienna, Austria.



    This CND gathering will be the final global meeting before the High-Level UN Session on drug policy (March 2019) where new Cannabis Treaty scheduling and the 2019-2029 plan of action will be voted by the Countries. These decisions will offer opportunities for countries to develop innovative policies and new market perspectives."


    source here: http://www.cannabis-conference.com/program/

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    Some more on Cannabis Treaty scheduling here:

    "In 2018 for the first time ever, the International Scheduling of Cannabis is changing. The scientific assessment undertaken by WHO on the therapeutic value and harms related to Cannabis sativa L., is likely to end global prohibition."

    Link: http://faaat.net/cannabis/
     
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  22. florduh

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    Utah lawmaker tries marijuana for the first time on video: 'I just felt a little high'

    A Utah lawmaker had a message for his colleagues considering changes to state medical marijuana laws amid a battle over a midterm ballot initiative: Don't knock it 'til you try it.

    Utah state senator Jim Dabakis, a Democrat, decided to visit Las Vegas over the weekend to try marijuana for the first time.

    "It was no big deal," Dabakis told USA TODAY on Tuesday. "It was fine. I just felt a little high."

    This is a great idea. I never really messed with cannabis until I was 28, to treat a medical condition. My first thought was, why is this shit illegal? It's a very mild drug. Maybe if more politicians got a little high, they'd realize this is a stupid thing to spend limited law enforcement dollars on.
     
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  23. macbill

    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Why Is CBD Everywhere?

    It’s hard to say the precise moment when CBD, the voguish cannabis derivative, went from being a fidget spinner alternative for stoners to a mainstream panacea.
     
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  24. looney2nz

    looney2nz Research Geek, Mad Scientist

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    macbill Gregarious Misanthrope

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    Pot, property values are focus of upcoming federal trial

    A federal trial in Colorado could have far-reaching effects on the United States' budding marijuana industry if a jury sides with a couple who say having a cannabis business as a neighbor hurts their property's value.

    The trial set to begin Monday in Denver is the first time a jury will consider a lawsuit using federal anti-racketeering law to target cannabis companies. [T]he anti-racketeering law also allows private parties to file lawsuits claiming their business or property has been damaged by a criminal enterprise. Those who prove it can be financially compensated for damages times three, plus attorneys' expenses.
     

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