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Cannabis and Autism, the evidence is clear!

Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by 1DMF, Oct 31, 2017.

  1. 1DMF

    1DMF Old School Cheesy Quaver

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    Hi Guys & Gals,

    I know I've been a bit of a ghost lately, so much on my plate, sorry about that, anyways... I had to share this with the community as it is something close to my heart as I personally self medicate autism with cannabis, though thankfully I don't suffer like this poor guy!

     
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  2. KC2K

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    Thanks for sharing @1DMF I suffer from twitches, spasms and cramping... nothing as bad as this guy but I'm glad he found the right medication for him. Sometimes my meds can actually make it worse but only on rear occasions and luckily I can hide it most of the time. Funnily enough its mostly a problem latter in the evening and at night, bed time can be agony as I have a pain syndrome that affects my joints, its a really fun combination.

    I'm in the UK and our government needs to stop prohibition and treat us like adults. Not sure where I'm going with this due to pain etc but just wanted to show my solidarity!
     
  3. 1DMF

    1DMF Old School Cheesy Quaver

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    @KC2K No problem, you are most welcome. Us genuine autistics self-meditating with cannabis need to stand against the tyranny of governments and big pharma, not to mention incompetent doctors who prescribe neurotypical psychotic drugs to a-typical patients without a clue how different they affect us and usually in a negative way.

    I'm an ASD sufferer who self medicates with cannabis and I have nothing to be ashamed about and nothing to hide and neither should you.

    Sometimes you have to come to the inevitable conclusion, we are not the problem here!

    Thank you for your solidarity, we need to stand proud and together!
     
  4. KC2K

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    @1DMF sorry bro I don't have autism but if tested now would definitely score on the spectrum, but my grand son is Autistic. We have so much in common we both struggle with day to day it is unreal!

    My main health issue is called CRPS its not that important to know exactly what it is in this case. Most people only get it in one joint or body part but unfortunately I have it every where. Its now affecting my brain, create constant pain, spasms, speech and memory problems and many other fun effects etc

    The basic point I was getting across as you have rightly understood is that I am with you! Though we have different conditions, the outcome is similar :D No one has the right to refuse us the medication which can improve the quality of our lives!
     
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  5. little maggie

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    I suspect I am on the spectrum although it didn't exist when I was growing up or even for most of my life. But when I think back I was very odd in too many ways to describe but especially socially and spatially. I definitely have NLD which may explain the oddness without my having Aspergers. But I've noticed over the past couple of years that I've been microdosing before bed that my brain is working better in the sense that I'm more aware of the world and more present than I was able to be before.
     
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  6. KC2K

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    @little maggie I have the opposite problem, I does to stop my brain. I have a stupid high IQ but no way to express it or reach my potential. My brain just ticks all the time, it slows this a bit. I also have no filters for external filters such as noise, lights, movement, and especially smells. I am constantly bombarded and it basically drives me mad... I've been told its a physical not psychological problem by the bigwigs...
     
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  7. little maggie

    little maggie Well-Known Member

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    I've know people with sensory processing disorders: (SPD) and it's often associated with ADD. I know it's pretty miserable to have no filters for sensory input.
    NLD, since it's not an accepted diagnosis, ends up with people labeled ADD or autistic. Both stem from the brain in some way.
    But cannabis is kind of a miracle drug since it can help both of our differing brain issues.
     
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  8. KC2K

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    My eldest is studying to be a SENCO, which is an educational specialist and said the same, I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child... not so common in the late 70's. But there has always been more to it than that. You wouldn't guess that now though, due to the CRPS I'm pretty immobile, don't get out much etc. Thats why this place is great for me when I can type or speak clearly enough for the speech to text program :D

    What is NLD? I've not heard that one before which is a bit odd, originally I was a health care professional, although that feels like a life time ago.
     
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  9. little maggie

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    I don't think most people are aware of NLD if they don't have it or a child with it. It's nonverbal learning disorder. The opposite of what most people think of when they think of learning disorder. It's the right hemisphere that has problems- more organizational, visual-spatial and coordination issues. And conceptual stuff. Like somehow I am very smart and very concrete at the same. It's why I usually need help here with a new tool that's broken down into very small steps.
     
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  10. 1DMF

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    @KC2K You sound very much like you suffer with ASD , I have same issues with high IQ and a brain I can only switch off with cannabis, it drives me nuts and keeps me awake otherwise, it's also very frustrating and annoying being told you have a high IQ , but then seem incapable of using the damn thing!

    Also if you were diagnosed with ADHD, that is on the Autism spectrum, so you more than likely do have Autism ;-)

    I have official diagnosed Dyspraxia, but believe I also have Asperger's having done my own research and taken many on-line tests, though I have a doctors appointment next week to get refereed for an official Asperger's diagnosis.

    What I don't subscribe to is the claims by some people that everyone is on the spectrum somewhere, it's just the degree that varies. To me that's like saying none of us can walk, just some can walk better than others.

    There may be genes involved and some carry certain genes but it doesn't cause ASD, or perhaps it has to be a certain amount of a certain type, I guess the same way we all have cancer just some more aggressive than others.

    I also don't like the term 'high functioning' autistic, as it implies, we have ASD but it doesn't affect us or it shouldn't be counted, as though others have a preconception of how someone with ASD should behave and if you don't meet their expectation you somehow don't have it. I mean how the hell does someone else know or understand what is going on inside my head or how my emotions affect me.

    It's a complicated subject and still very much taboo and I have found through personal experience that the UK still refuses to acknowledge and treat those with ASD with the understanding, respect and dignity they deserve and even have the audacity to try to claim it isn't a disability.

    Yeah try experiencing the way I or others with ASD experience the world and people around us and the way they experience us, and then make that claim.

    On top of all this when you find medicine that helps to at least alleviates some of the symptoms experienced, you are then told you can't have it, it's illegal and you're a bad person for wanting it, be refused counseling because you arne't 'in touch' with your feelings and be prescribed pharmaceuticals that make you feel even worse.

    Either there is some conspiracy going on at the top or this so called civilised society generally still thinks it's acceptable to to abuse and discriminate against the weak, vulnerable and disabled in society, which generally includes the poor!
     
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  11. little maggie

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    I see it differently. I think ASD is becoming the dumping ground for all kinds of neurological issues. For example- there is no "official" DSM diagnosis for NLD. A child with my symptoms would most likely get diagnosed Aspergers, ADHD or possibly dyspraxia. I think NLD is easy to diagnose as a separate issue. A full scale IQ test with a 40 or lower performance score from the verbal. Someone with it can appear to be genius IQ because of the verbal score but really have impaired functioning in many ways.
    There are other disorders like NLD that get lumped into and treated as ASD when there are specific differences. Some of those like ADHD are listed in the diagnostic manuals unlike NLD and some sensory processing disorders. ADHD is one that overlaps but isn't the same although misdiagnosis is common. Someone can have both diagnoses at the same time.
    To me the problem with lumping so many into a general category like ASD is that some treatments for ASD aren't going to work as well for specific disabilities that get mislabeled.
     
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  12. emmdeemo

    emmdeemo Never ever, bloody anything, ever.

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    I dont feel ASD is a general category, it just has a spectrum of issues and co-morbid conditions, and if it were that general it wouldnt have been the specific missing piece to all my personal searchings for the last 30 years. It doesnt feel so much like a dumping ground as it does an area of study that is evolving and growing.

    Tho yes, totally agree that mislabeled disabilities are a bad idea, but I cannot agree that autism is a general category. My diagnosis was very specific.

    Dont even get me started on the high functioning/low functioning nonsense. I know I'm intelligent but it still doesnt mean I can remember to eat every day, sleep, or 'function'. I just had a mask brow beaten into me that I can shove on for short periods.

    I'm starting to drop that mask as much as I can tho as it really doesnt serve me, it serves others.
     
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  13. little maggie

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    ASD is pretty new as a diagnosis. I'd older than a lot of people here and when I was starting out "autism" only applied to people who were pretty completely disabled and neither asperger's or high functioning autism existed. And then when it was fairly new I took a class from one of the experts who identified autism by left hemisphere problems and asperger's by right hemisphere issues (basically describing NLD as Aspergers). A lot has changed over the years especially because many of those who have Aspergers are speaking out and there are people like Temple Grandin.
     
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  14. dapperdopamine

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    I was diagnosed with aspbergers when I was a kid. I really do think cannabis helps me a lot, communicating in social situations, instead of rambling on and getting overly angry, I can just express what I mean in a simple calm and concise way. Normally Ill get pretty ticked off by small things, which is great for comedy material, but not my stress level and overall well being. I dont know if its aspergers related at all, but I can be a really angry guy, and its no surpise cannabis helps me chill out.
     
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  15. 1DMF

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    I can totally relate and am personally attributing this to Asperger's but until officially diagnosed, perhaps it's the Dyspraxia, either way it's Autism and am sure cannabis has helped me, but apparently the medical profession currently doesn't agree.
     
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  16. KC2K

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    Apologies for ducking out of the discussion last week. Had a flare up and then some minor surgery, THB it took more out of me than I thought.

    Its turned into a very interesting thread. I found that what ever is going on in my head, sometimes it could be used as an advantage rather than a disadvantage/disability. For example I don't react the same way as many others do to death, don't get me wrong, it does effect me just not as in an obvious way. So long story short, I became an ICU nurse. Other times I've used it is to focus on just one thing, true its to the detriment of everything else like eating, sleeping etc but it allowed me to get what ever task done.

    I think a lot of the time people in our situation just need to be a little more creative in how we use these abilities/disabilities. Ok we're never going to get everything right in social situations but I think people come to accept us and love our quirk ;)

    As far as mis-diagnosis, not diagnosis, spectrums etc etc I have these discussions a lot. I think that the one thing that is changing is an increase in understanding of the causation of different problems that produce a similar effect. I think its only just beginning but things will leap on with no bounds. Better for all :D
     
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  17. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    @1DMF auto-immune disease suck's!

    CANNABIS help's big time.

    Forgive me for hiding my disease?

    I guess it's a way to cope?
    No driving. 3 years's now!
    CANE to walk without falling!
    At least I was whole once!
     
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  18. 1DMF

    1DMF Old School Cheesy Quaver

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    Why do we need to forgive you @ataxian , if you don't wish to discuss your condition, that's your prerogative and I respect your privacy.

    I am sorry to hear of your predicament, I get the feeling, many of us who truly medicate with cannabis, actually have a condition we are treating, and generally it aint a grazed knee or anything so trivial.

    The only consolation for you is you are in a place you can freely obtain and use your medication without the fear of arrest / prison, something us suffering with anxiety disorders living in Draconian backward thinking countries could do with out!

    @KC2K - again no need to apologise, really sorry to hear you have been ill and needed surgery, I wish you a speedy recovery.

    I agree that Autism can be a gift in certain areas, I guess it helps me with my music, however, it also hinders, I can't play the keyboard (or any real instrument) because of my poor fine motor skills,I also will never be able to read music or understand that way of expressing music, I can't process the symbols, remember all their meanings nor can I keep time or process the written notes, to playing the sound quick enough nor remember the sequence of notes etc.. I have trouble remember the words to my own songs / raps, so not sure how much of a gift this ASD really is!

    Unfortunately for me this couldn't be further from the truth, my experience and current situation I am fighting with the courts and legal system shows, that the majority of people abuse, manipulate, bully and coerce people with my condition and are surrounded by those that aide and abet this behavior to the point of covering up the crimes on their behalf.

    Average Joe, like you and me perhaps not, but we are actually in the minority, all those in positions of authority or power I have found to be financially corrupt, disabled abusing paedophiles and their supporters, which includes the police, ombudsman, regulators, government / politicians, press / media, courts / judges / solicitors / barristers, doctors / councilors .. it's an extensive list and I produced YouTube videos / web pages that exposed it and proved it!

    I am still fighting with the UK Legal Ombudsman and still may need to seek redress via the European Court of Justice if it doesn't get resolved.

    Until the laws meant to protect the weak, vulnerable and disabled are actually enforced, I fear that it is only people like us, who actually care and want to change things!
     
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  19. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    Your a nice person.
    I am a DICK! (That is what I was called as a kid)

    I get lost in study. (OXFORD, CAMBRIDGE, USC, UCLA, BERKELEY, MIT. BROWN, CORNELL, PRINCETON, HARVARD) dropping name's again! (SORRY I'm not deserving)

    Anyway I love ENGLAND for the ENLIGHTENMENT!

    Many incredible writer's are from the UK.

    CANNABIS is a MEDICINE so natural and effective? (It work's for my disease?)
     
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