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Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome

Discussion in 'Medical Discussion' started by Nosferatu, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. Glass004

    Glass004 Consumer Advocate

    Hey folks, when most of the posts begin with I wonder, it confuses me that when people give you the answer in a silver platter you ignore it and go on making uneducated guesses.
    Go on down the polymer road.
    This forum is named fuck combustion. Get a clue people, stop smoking. Eat edibles or get a vaporizer and keep temps below combustion. The volcano set on high is combusting your grass.
    If you aren't in love with hot showers, find another forum regarding your health. This is the CHS crowd. Hot showers define us!!!

    Never heard of a vaper having CHS. Only smokers are being affected. The quantity and potency of herb smoked diffinately affect CHS

    Stop smoking. Vaping pot does not produce the same taxi cannabinoids as does the chemical reaction of combustion.
    No true CHS sufferer I know if has linked CHS to vaping. Where are you guys getting the info to make this bad supposition of vaping causes CHS???
     
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  2. ginolicious

    ginolicious Well-Known Member

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    I don't smoke brother. I only Vape and have been for 2 years now. I also never said I had CHS or thought I did. When I read this thread it made me question the sickness I have been experiencing which rather differs from CHS, let alone i have been vaping more than usual which is a .2-.3 oppose to the .1. But that's besides the point.
     
  3. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    If you are referring to my post here, I was suggesting one single possibility that may lead to aspects of this syndrome, I never suggested that this was the only possible cause or definitely a cause. The data does not exist to my knowledge to support any such claim.

    If you are suggesting that someone has conclusively explained the nature, mechanisms and causes of cannabis hyperemesis, I would be very surprised!

    At present, the scholarly literature is far from conclusive when discussing much about this condition. The prevalence in recorded medical literature is negligible and only pre-clinical research, almost exclusively from individual case reports (this has no usefulness for extrapolation to other cases, the datasets are far too small).

    As to other kinds of sources, I've also seen one study that considered cases of increases in numbers in various cyclical vomiting presentations in Colorado hospitals before and after legalization and trying to use this to argue that the numerical difference were cases of cannabis hyperemesis. This is very sloppy, superficial reasoning. As with all large datasets the increase could be explained by infinite variables, something as simple as overall population growth for one basic example could lead to a rapid increase in presentations in a given condition over that period of time! To avoid conflating this kind of correlation with a causal explanation is one of the biggest things to be avoided, this is basic scientific method 101.

    Given the lack of large-scale and representative data, scientists and laypeople alike simply don't know enough about this syndrome yet to do more than take a guess as to possible causes. There isn't enough systematically recorded data on this phenomenon to pretend that we can come up with a full scientific explanation yet. Medical science has very high standards for evidence requiring large-scale, repeatable evidence before we can presume to be able to explain a health condition. Eventually that will come.

    Until now, there is no sense in being frustrated by folks taking guesses. After all, the claims that we test as hypotheses in early scientific research into new topics like this are usually educated guesses - and often turn out wrong! It is only by narrowing the possible explanations down in this way that we get closer to knowing what the causes are. This is the hypothetico-deductive method which characterizes today's science. :peace: :)

    BTW I have heard isolated reports (which are all there is on the topic of cannabis hyperemesis so far when we look at the literature internationally!) of people who dab heavily getting cannabis hyperemesis. That is vaping, not smoking! :)
     
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  4. Krazy

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    Just read another Refer Madness article on this. Full of doctors are noticing, potential causation, numbers in Colorado almost doubling, etc.. Study sited has no real causation lol. I have no doubt that this is a real thing affecting a small number of people and is horrible to experience. But boy is it being pimped by the "It's the Devils Weed!" crowd. The "study" is actually a review of ER visits targeted and cherry picked to generate a result as far as I can see. Articles are full of words like; might, could, seems, etc..

    This is the "study" all the scare mongers keep siting.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4469074/

    https://www.merryjane.com/health/heavy-marijuana-use-may-lead-to-kidney-failure
    So 41 cases is "we almost never saw" And 87 cases is “Now we are seeing it quite frequently.”


    Thanks to herbivore21: The above edit occurred while you were posting the info below.
     
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  5. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Oh the doubling of numbers in Colorado was relating to all cases of cyclical vomiting by ICD9/Rome III criteria. This includes much more than CHS (also that study does not provide compelling evidence to suggest the increase is related to CHS)!!!

    That is one of the studies I mentioned above which is problematic science to put it diplomatically.

    Here's the study:

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acem.12655/full
     
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  6. Detonator

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    I haven't had a CHS attack since the last time I check in months ago... Still vaping and dabbing as much as usuall... Little less stress in my life lately and I think that has something to do with it, maybe?
    I don't like to talk about it but I do like to keep a record here,,,lately I'm good...
     
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  7. Glass004

    Glass004 Consumer Advocate

    DAB on a very hot surface (common administration) is most times causing combustion. Anything hotter than say 450 F is burning the material. Not many people DAB ing this way are going to reduce and measure the temp of their heat spike to avoid combustion.
    Again, if you not hooked on hot showers, you're not talking about CHS. The definition of combustion is not derived from using a lighter, it us determined by the temperature of the substances at which the chemical process of combustion occurs for that substance ( above 450F for cannabinoids.
    Your discussions about vaping causing CHS don't hold up the scrutiny of someone who figured it out 5 years ago. No attacks unless combustion involved.
    No studies relating to this topic, but having suffered from CHS for decades, having smoked grass for over a half century, and a as trained health care scientist, the info I analyzed points to toxic cannabinoids produced combustion alone that have a toxic effect on the hypothalamus.
    Seeing people post uneducated guesses makes me sad for the poor sufferers of CHS that believe them. If you ain't in the hot shower with us, there is no way you should be propagating theories with no scientific basis. You are causing more harm than good for the CHS sufferers, and we don't need anymore suffering from misinformation.
     
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  8. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I never argued that vaping can cause CHS, I have never met or known of anybody IRL who has suffered from this. I do not know what causes it. All I said is that somebody else on FC mentioned a colleague who was dabbing heavily and got CHS from that. That is one isolated anecdote and does not mean that everybody will experience CHS from vaping. Yours is another isolated anecdote suggesting that in your case, smoking leads to CHS symptoms but not vaping.

    I do not personally hold any firm beliefs as to whether CHS can only occur with smoking or vaping and we have only got anecdotes which in this case are contradictory to work with.

    The only cases of CHS I know of are from the scholarly literature or the small handful of FC members here. I only refer to those cases.

    I have not propagated any 'theories' here. I have suggested one possible cause of one possible aspect of this rare and complex presentation of symptoms. I did not say it was a conclusive or strongly supported claim. I have been very clear that it may be inaccurate and is only a guess. I have only referred to anecdotes here - no scientific 'theories', anecdotal reports are all that there is available on CHS at the moment (as you concede, there are negligible studies!).

    As I said above, cases of CHS are rare anecdotes, statistically speaking. I do not put much stock in these cases for having extrapolative potential. THIS DOES NOT IN ANY WAY DIMINISH OR RENDER THE SUFFERING OF THOSE WHO EXPERIENCE IT TO BE ANY LESS REAL!!!

    It is simply not reasonable to say that after considering the anecdotal information available, that you have some scientifically compelling explanation for CHS that is generalizable to other cases. You do not have a statistically representative sample to draw upon and so you cannot possibly argue that you have an argument that can be used to generalize to other cases. This is the crux of my post above and you have not responded to this. How do you propose to understand CHS in a way that can be extrapolated to others when you concede only having access to isolated anecdotes? Surely you understand why I would raise this if you worked/work in the health sciences?

    Again, I am not saying that CHS experiences as described in the anecdotes are not real! I am simply saying that it is far from well understood and that the required data is simply not there to have anything approaching a scientific understanding.

    Also man if you think that dabbing concentrates on an e-nail typically involves combustion, you don't understand concentrate use/vaporization very well. The understanding that you have about temperatures for combustion is not appropriate when we consider dabbing, the data is relevant to consumption of flowers, not extracts. When you change the composition of the thing you are heating in the first place, it behaves differently (this should come as no surprise!).

    Flowers subjected to temps like you say will combust. However, high quality extracts contain a comparatively small portion of the original constituents of those flowers - the resin (varying portions/fractions depending on the kind of extract of course). This is not flammable/combustible/subject to thermal decomposition at the same temperatures/in the same ways, as the components of the plant which do combust more readily are not found in these extracts!

    The temperatures that are read on the dial of an e-nail controller are absolutely not the temps at the dish where contact is made with the concentrate btw. In my experience, the difference between the temp on the PID controller as determined at the heater coil thermocouple can reach >150f! The temp on the dial of an e-nail is always hotter than the temp on the dabbing surface. This is especially true of nails that use inserts and do not get direct contact with the dabbing surface.

    If an e-nail controller says you have 600f, then what you have on your dish may actually be as low as 450f. Now consider that most of us dabbing on SiC and Sapphire use temps often less than 600f (I use 500-550f as read from the d-nail controller with my Sapphire halo!). This is not necessarily even exceeding the combustion temps for flowers you mention in some low temp enail configurations.

    Now consider that the substances that we dab have been rendered devoid of the vast majority of anything that will smoulder and combust in cannabis flowers. Now you can see why the resulting vapor is actually much more pleasant smelling and tasting (also much less harsh on the throat) to use than vaping flowers and will have less thermal decomposition byproducts than flowers vaped at the higher range of flower vaping temps (of course data on the actual temps that flower is subjected to in the various flower vapes is not reliable either - being arbitrarily measured temps taken at various points of radically different airpaths!).

    There is less shit in the extract that is susceptible to thermal decomposition and combustion in the first place! The composition of flowers vs concentrates is incomparable and greatly influences the behavior of either substance when heated.

    In low-temp dabbing of high quality extracts (low temp dabbing is what most people are doing these days, I certainly know of fewer and fewer people who dab at anything but low temps), we are boiling the resin into a vapor phase and inhaling it. This requires higher temps as we are boiling a blob of oil, rather than unevenly distributed deposits of the same resin spread amongst a higher proportion of dried and MUCH MORE FLAMMABLE plant material (as with vaping flowers).

    Which info did you analyze by the way? Do you mean that you read some online articles (please share your sources!)? Or is this a scientific analysis of some kind which is published somewhere that we can read?
     
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  9. Detonator

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    I been taking notes on my symptoms and useage here for several years, sense the start of it.... so either one of you two scientist want to go back and make a chart based on my findings, see if you can come to any conclusions? , I encourage you do do so.... lol I'd like to see it...... I'm dabbin some SD on the Sublimator now.... good luck making a chart from my OMG CHS is killing me ramblings from the past... Glad I'm OK now,,,knock on wood... carry on... ps I like bar graphs and pie charts
     
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  10. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    If I find some free time before my vacation ends (this is doubtful), I'll be happy to look at your posts :)

    I hope more importantly that you have spoken to your relevant clinicians/doctors about this too. It is important to seek medical attention when you experience sustained vomiting and some other symptoms relevant here.

    We need to keep in mind that anything we gleam from your anecdotes will only be relevant to managing your own case. We must also take into account that we could no doubt fill many football fields with potentially relevant context about your lifestyle/biology etc that I am unaware of lol - I couldn't pretend to give you any advice that is likely to be very useful.

    Still, if there are any questions that I can answer, I'm happy to help! :)
     
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  11. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    It sounds like more of a carbonized tar thing imo.
    Good thing you only did this once, as you may have dabbed a bit of creosote :zombie:
     
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  12. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Oh man I cringed again when I read the mention of creosote lol (mind you that is ruled out, any comparable creosote that I know of has a boiling point that would have seen the stuff vaporize quickly when dabbed)! That dab was fucked up. I seriously thought my e-nail was turned off when the stuff wouldn't melt for a few seconds and barely changed sitting on the dish lol

    Man any number of possible decompositon byproduct could have been the culprit here, the part of the e-nail that the build-up was found within was left on for a long period accidentally and as it was a backup unit, didn't get noticed for a month (this was not apparent at the time and the realization occured when I noticed how strange this material was)! The buildup was inside the vapor path extremely close to the heater coil and would have been subjected to the same temps as the dish of the nail!

    Ever since then, I have never attempted to recover reclaim from the metal components of my e-nails. It is not worth dabbing something that has been subjected to nail temps for such a long time. That temp for the duration of the hit when you dab is one thing, but sustained for weeks or longer is likely to be awful!
     
  13. grokit

    grokit well-worn member

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    Yeah I been there with my sub atomizer "reclaim".
    Not all sublimate is created equal :razz:
     
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  14. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Oh shit man I have seen sublimators that have reclaim so oxidized that it actually resembled rust! Needless to say, I turned down a hit off of any such unit lol

    Reclaim definitely needs to collect away from hot components of the rig/vape setup IME, otherwise it is not worth saving ;)
     
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  15. slozukimc

    slozukimc Well-Known Member

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    Wow. I have been battling very similar symptoms over the last few years. I don't have time to post the whole story right now but the only thing missing is the hot showers. I, on the other hand, MUST have a drink of hot coffee every morning to keep the nausea from being so bad that I vomit. Eating usually helps after I have the coffee. It seems to be only a few sips to make it back off. Usually a bong rip makes it go away as well. I have been hospitalized with flu like symptoms with no diagnosis twice in two years. The only time anyone mentioned any possibility of a cause was one nurse took me to the side and told me that she knows I smoke a lot(it's a small town thing) and that I should do research about it. She didn't recall the name but it appears she was speaking of CHS. I have been a very heavy user for 30 years. A half a Z a week easy most of the time. All of the herb is homegrown and all organic. Don't ask how I know because I can't say but it is. I take nexium every day or the heartburn is unbearable. I have read every word of every post here so far and intend to continue reading as much as I can find on the subject.
    I am not saying CHS is what is wrong with me but the similarities are uncanny.
    I am questioning the combustion and or the fact that I know that the herb is NOT cured long enough. It's always gone too fast. I have quit use of that herb and combustion entirely as of today. I have a Hercules oil attachment so I can vape some low temp hits to keep the nausea at bay. I also have da Buddha but don't want to use that until I have another herb to try in it. I know it is not scientific to eliminate more than one variable at a time but I figure if all of the symptoms go away I can reintroduce the herb without combustion and see what happens. Another thing I recall is that I don't remember ever having heartburn before I started using weed when I was 17 but, I do recall eating Rolaids by the roll for years until the doctor prescribe the Nexium daily for GERD symptoms since I started smoking. I started weed and cigarettes about the same time period. I have since quit cigs several times and will never start those damned things again. I have finally programmed my mind to hate the smell and taste enough to ignore the cravings.
    A few years ago I had the idea to only vape. I really enjoy a bong and the social aspect of smoking with friends made it very difficult for me to abstain from combusting so I didn't. I am a bit of an introvert until I catch one and then people don't make me feel so uncomfortable and I can converse freely. I recall feeling great during that time period and never really put it together until over the last few days.

    I will be keeping an eye on this thread and any others I find. I have yet to read through all of the links provided here but I will soon. I apologize for the random nature of my post. I tend to type as I recall and sometimes it is out of order.

    Here's hoping that I and others can find a happy medium with our favorite herb and keep these symptoms away. The last time this flared up on me was New Year's Eve. I drank a bit but nowhere near what I can consume without trouble and after smoking with some folks I was violently ill and had to come home early. I have not felt good since. I hesitate to go see the doc as I am sick of being told there is nothing wrong with me. I hate pills and big pharmaceutical companies so when they try to push random meds on me that I know don't work I tell them so. I tell them that I cannot take NSAID type pain relievers as they upset my stomach. Apparently that makes me a pill seeker in their eyes. Apparently you are not supposed to know anything about what not to take.

    Ok. Enough rambling for now.

    Thanks for listening, Mike
     
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  16. Glass004

    Glass004 Consumer Advocate

    IMO you don't have CHS. But you might figure out that with your body the combustion might be related to or contributing to your symptomology. I think 100% vaping and observing is a reasonable approach. It would be nice to keep a doctor in the loop in case your symptoms are from treatable illness.
     
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  17. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    its interesting you mention toxic canabinoids , as i have read that there are some canabiniods that are from the act of combustion , and dont exist without combustion . so you could be onto something here .

    but above you mention your son seeming to come down with CHS after to much DAB . from what i know dabbing is not combustion but vaping . i wonder if there are any cases of CHS from strictly vaping or edibles as that would mean its not only from smoking .

    i still think its not possible yet to call this a legitimate thing caused buy canabiniods them selfs . as there is just to many other things that could be the cause . im not saying it wont turn out to be . but show me the scientific evidence that point to a canabiniods or toxic canabiniods being the definite culprit id be interested in seeing that ,
     
  18. slozukimc

    slozukimc Well-Known Member

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    I hope you are right. I think. I want this to stop so bad that I almost wish it could be as simple as stopping weed. It takes every bit of willpower I have to wake up and go about the morning. I am sitting now sipping my coffee, not too fast or I will vomit, waiting for a bit of relief from the vape so I can do my chores for the morning.
    The first morning after no combustion and the amount of mucous I am coughing up is making the nausea even worse. I know this will get better in a few days and I really hope that the phlegm in the back of my throat from smoking all of the time is what is triggering the vomiting. Feels like a sinus allergy attack or a bad cold on just the left side right now. That is pretty much the daily routine.
    I used to work in NYC driving some folks to the farmers markets so I could not bring weed along with me. I got into vaping oils as a substitute to keep my nerves calm around the thousands of strangers and keep from feeling like death from the nausea. It seems almost like withdrawal symptoms if I don't vape. That job was very stressful and I was sick during that time more than I ever have been. I mentioned before that I had been hospitalized twice in two years for flu like symptoms. There were many other times that I just refused to go to the hospital and suffered it out on the couch. Another that I spent the entire day in the Pret A Manger restroom before attempting to ride 4 hours back home. Had to stop several times on that trip and I literally felt like death would be better. I am NOT a negative minded person. I try to look for joy in even the smallest things but when this comes on in force it just makes me feel like quitting. I won't quit of course. That would be the cowardly way out. I will either figure out a solution or die an old man trying.
    I don't mean to ramble and I hope I am not imposing as I see here that most of you folks have way worse problems than I do. It is just nice to chat with folks who can relate and not judge. If I say anything about the possibility of CHS to anyone I know they either turn away with disinterest or defend the weed with full force and say I am an idiot. I don't know what makes me feel like this shit every day and apparently neither does my Doc. I have had every test and scan done that he can think of and nothing. I am frustrated with even speaking to him about it as he is beginning to act like he thinks I am after drugs even though I specifically try to find any natural remedy before using pharmaceutical drugs. I smoke some weed, it helps me a lot and I enjoy it so I must be a druggie right? I am so damned sick of that ass backwards logic!

    Thanks for listening and best wishes and better health to everyone here, Mike
     
  19. chris 71

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    i have posted in this thread a few times , not to defend the weed but because i was starting to wonder if this was possibly what was wrong with me .

    i have been very sick for a few years luckily i went to see another doc then my regular one . because he was telling me there was nothing wrong with me for years lol .
    whats worse is that when i did get to a walk in clinic and the doc there ordered some test and came back with some red flags for a thyroid disease . i went with the results to my reg doc and he told me that it was normal lol

    anyway thankfully the clinic doc referred me to an endo doc who ordered more test turns out i have graves disease and am now taking meds ive gained 10 pounds and feel much better although the meds make me feel sick as a side effect .

    as far as what i have said about not knowing how they can be sure if cannabiniods are the problem causing CHS . i still think there are just to many other possibilities arent there ? and even if it is caused by " cannabis "
    do they know for sure it is a toxicity to " THC " as they would have you believe or is there more to it then that . are there actual studies and evidence showing it ? untill then it could very well be any number of things .
    and why only some seem to be effected . i do find it interesting and to prove im not just being a defender of the weed i have even questioned if it could have been the cannabis causing me graves disease . doc say he doesnt think so but who knows
     
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  20. slozukimc

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    Just returned from worshipping the porcelain god. The acid levels in my stomach today are crazy! Feels like throwing up battery acid. Ate some toast earlier and that didn't help settle anything. The vape doesn't seem to be helping the nausea at all at this point. Almost ready to try a bong and go lay down. If I can get control of this acid problem I think I can get through the nausea and continue to quit combustion. Got a feeling this is gonna be a long and rough road.

    Has anyone here had experience with poorly purged oils causing or exacerbating heartburn? Just a thought.

    Edit: So I gave in and smoked one small bong of a strain called thc bomb. The nausea is almost gone after only a couple minutes. The acid is still there but I can handle it now. The oil vape wasn't doing a thing for me so I am guessing that the relief I feel may be strain dependent. Maybe I can moderate my combustion and taper off to just vaping? Maybe I should try Da Buddha and lay off the oil? Not really sure but man am I glad I took that toke. I am feeling like I can function now. I can at least throw my coat on and walk our dogs and get some fresh air now.

    Mike
     
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  21. chris 71

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    cannabis can slow down the digestion process and smoking will cause acid more then vaping in my experience . i have noticed this my self for sure .

    these two things combined ( the smoke and slowing effects of digestion ) could defiantly aggravate your issues more then help
    my self personally i find that a nice walk or exercise of some sort can help get things moving along
     
  22. slozukimc

    slozukimc Well-Known Member

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    @chris 71 thanks for the tips. I agree that the smoke causes acid for sure. Cigs were even worse, probably because of the volume of smoke compared to weed. I know I have screwed up somehow and now it is up to me to fix it. I know that no matter what the studies say or don't say that any substance can be bad for you if you abuse it. I have some bad eating habits to fix that have come about simply because so don't feel like eating until I am queasy and weak. I have some serious weed consumption to curb. I have listened to everyone here and it seems my consumption is way higher than most. All day, every day. Wake in the night to hit the bong to feel better and sleep. A gram a day of very potent weed would be a very conservative estimate. That is too much and it is probably the root of my digestive issues. So. I probably don't have CHS. I probably just smoke too damned much, that screws up my digestion, the smoke gives me heartburn, the heartburn and phlegm from all of it causes the nausea. Still speculation. I will figure it out thanks to all of you folks listening. If my Doc would listen and not get all uncomfortable at even the mention of weed this might have been solved years ago. Guess I need to look for a new Doctor and I hate that idea.

    Thanks again folks!

    Mike
     
  23. chris 71

    chris 71 Well-Known Member

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    good luck mike , try and stick to the vapor . its defiantly better for us daily users and after about a month of strictly vaping it starts to get better ;) and easier
     
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  24. Glass004

    Glass004 Consumer Advocate

    Everybody is different. Even if you dont have the classic CHS, there is a possibility that the weed combustion is contributing to your GI symptoms.
    Cannabinoids are fat soluble chemicals and with chronic smoking, a large amount gets in your fat tissues and hangs out for weeks in significant levels. It will take a few days for the positive effects of combustion abstention to occur.

    For acid stomachs, PPIs (proton pump inhibitors) are tops, bananas are good in a pinch. Rebound acid can occur with Calcium antacids. Don't eat late at night? Elevate the head of your bed so that the acid drains out of your esophagus while you are lying down sleeping. Sleep on right side if possible. Keep antacid tablets by bedside, do not wait until the morning to take them as your esophagus is being burned. No fried foods, .......and don't call me mom :-)

    About the DAB and combustion .....It is all about the method of administration used. They were taking a blow torch and heating up a metal spike to red hot. Then they inhaled the DAB vapors off of the spike when applied to the spike. In this manner the temps involved were way above combustion threshold.
    I wish there was data about the toxic cannabinoids. This is only theory I thought of 5 years ago. I do have enough clinical and medical experience and research abilities to chase something like this down. Every thought current in the lit about CHS I had pegged 5 years ago. Research is hindered by archaic laws. It will be a while for the hard data to come out. I still haven't found any "hot shower turns off my symptoms" CHS people who vaped exclusively. Such people are only involved with combustion. The hot shower issue is the clue to the hypothalamus involvement for me. It is loaded with cannabinoid receptors. I put out the links on this forum a while back. I'm not motivated to chase them down or argue points as I am cured and feel if I tell someone the truth and they don't believe me, then their suffering is on them. Let them read through this and find it or they believe me. I have no skin in the game anymore.
    Just a story. 15 years I had CHS. While I was working. I didn't want to admit being chronic as I was a professional. I laugh at my folly now, but for the longest time I did research trying to prove that the cannabinoids were not the cause of CHS as the first reports in New Zealand indicated. Scared the shit out of me as my secret was going to be found out if the docs I was complaining to about CHS got wise. I sure as heck did not want to stop using herb. Switching to vaping because of health and taste for two years, and restarting combustion as the vaporizers broke cycled me on and off combustion. These switch overs gave me a clue as symptoms followed use of combustion.
     
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  25. Blackfriars

    Blackfriars Connoisseur of cannabis

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    I get random, lightish stomach pains since I have started vaping. They go away as soon as I vape again. I haven't worried about it much; and I certainly have never thrown up due to vaping too much. What a waste!

    I now vape quite a bit (multiple times a day; weekends = all day), so that should tell you how much my random stomach pains have really bothered me. ;-)

    Most strains I vape are very high in THC.
     

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