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Buying a new vaporiser for hash

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Thevapourrizer, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. turk

    turk turk

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    ...you know because I started with a omni as my first piece...I find it very hard to use the m over it...although there's nothing wrong with it...this is purely subjective....
    ...I never put hash in the solo/solo2...herbivore21 is correct (of course....) it just doesn't get hot enough...
     
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  2. FatFreddy

    FatFreddy Member

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    I'm afraid I,m new to this so can only talk about my experience with the storm. I've had it 3 months now. Use it daily. As I start to get my head round vaping I can see that more expensive kit might give a better vaping experience but I,be not once regretted buying this.
     
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  3. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Love my Omni but I totally agree with the new user M recommendation.

    Get a cheap dual flame torch and an M, then you'll see why DynaVap have such a following.

    After that I'd recommend the Induction Heater as the very first upgrade from the M, even before the Omni.

    Got to admit though that at £40 (710 sale price) I'm tempted by the DabStorm 2.1, mostly curious to see if I can use it to heat my VapCap :D

    If only they sold the atomiser separately, I don't need the mod.

    @FatFreddy if you ever get a VapCap can you try heating it with the DS? For science yo! ;)
     
  4. turk

    turk turk

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    ...I'm in next batch for induction heater...looking forward to it...my g.f. loves the m...I'mx very happy to let her play with it to her hearts content...I'll stick with the omni.
     
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  5. FatFreddy

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    Thanks for your reply.
    As it happens my kids are now both grown men. They are both tokers but I,m proud to say it wasn't because they emulated me. They had both been smoking for a couple of years before they realised I smoked. A fairly weird couple of years as when's the right time to say "Hey Kids...."??
    Both were genuinely surprised when they found out. They'd grown up thinking Dads eyes just got red when he relaxed.
    Anyway, things have gone full circle. My vape was a present from my sons. "To help with that cough", and it worked. I can see myself getting a better vaporiser but can't se myself going back to combustion.
     
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  6. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Oh man you are gonna love it!

    Especially with the Omni, you'll have the Cadillac of DynaVap ;).
     
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  7. turk

    turk turk

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    ....like your style man...:rofl:
    ...wish my sons gave me a vaporizer...only thing I get from them is.......(off topic..lol)
     
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  8. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    That's really cool man, I think you are at the beginning of a whole new journey. You've gotten into the vapour game at a really good time, there are soooo many really great options out there.
     
  9. FatFreddy

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  10. FatFreddy

    FatFreddy Member

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    Haha, believe me, that was uncharacteristically thoughtful of them. Most of the time they are a pain in the a***.
     
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  11. FatFreddy

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    I have to say that I feel like a kid again, experimenting with the arcane. Loving it
    It does feel a bit baffling though. I have lots to learn. Your last post a..."For science yo"... went completely over my head. DS? Vapcap?
    It's going to fun learning.
     
  12. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Same here bud, the more I learn the deeper the rabbit hole goes. FC is an amazing resource though so you aren't learning alone ;)

    I think I made a wrong assumption and thought you were using the DabStorm but now I think you were referring to the Storm Vape pen. So my query (block of random gibberish) is irrelevant. Sorry confused myself :whoa:

    Gotta say the Storm vaporizer pen does look fairly decent for a conduction vape at £69.

    It is recommended that you get the resin capsule if you want to use it with hash.

    I do think you'll get a better experience from a VapCap but it is less stealthy.
     
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  13. Ricd

    Ricd New Member

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  14. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    It is a pleasure to assist sir, I hope you have a wonderful time with your new vape! :peace::D

    @FatFreddy oh man that is too funny that it turned out your kids were toking and so were you and neither had realized about one another yet! :lol: Glad also to have helped my friend, you are very welcome.
     
  15. sternenstaub

    sternenstaub Active Member

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    @herbivore21
    Thanks again for your insights, it's very appreciated. What you wrote about the sizzling seems very logical to me.
    What about the trichomes? I didn't find the idea suspect that a pressed block of trichomes could sizzle or hiss for a short amount of time when a specific temperature is reached.
     
  16. Ricd

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    Hi mate.
    One more thing please, between the Storm Vaporizer and the Firefly2 what you think is better to smoke hash?

    I'm gonna order the Vapcap M too, but im not sure between this two which one I should order!?
    Is just to use outdoor, when I'm going to work, after 4 hours in lunch time, and when im going home.
    @herbivore21 sad firefly2 Will be good for what I want. But he didn't mention anything about the Storm Vaporizer. Now I'm looking both on websites, and there's a big price difference.
    What you all think mates? Don't forget it's for Hash :-) like my profile photo

    Thanks
     
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  17. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    Hello mate,

    I've not used the storm personally so can't directly compare. You should post this query in the Storm Pen Vaporizer thread or in the Firefly 2 thread. Maybe there is a user in one or both of those threads who can give you real world experience of both.

    My instincts say that the price difference and ease of standard 18650 batteries are significant Pro's for the Storm.
     
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  18. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    I've only ever experienced sizzling trichomes in the event that water got into the hash in storage, or with water hash that has not been fully dried out after extraction. In either case, those are no bueno. Water in your hash makes the vapor much hotter and harsher on the throat. It can make you hack up a lung just about with the coughing!

    Solvents in your hash are much worse still, and this is why sizzling is something that is always unacceptable in hash that you are buying. If it's some water contamination, then you'll simply have a harsher session. If it is solvent contamination, it'll be harsher still, probably taste like complete ass and depending on the solvent and quantities used, could be quite bad for your health. Sizzling should be avoided because if it sizzles, you can't 100% rule out solvent adulteration unless you made it yourself :2c:

    This may be true, but the pros for the FF2 is ease of cleanability, better choices of less reactive materials (no plastic except in mouthpiece) and will clearly provide better flavor. The Storm is not a vape that I know a lot about, but being an improved imitation of old X-max vapes, I would very safely say that the FF2 is the higher quality option. Remember, the FF2 now has an external battery charger, so can be purchased with a few batteries which can be charged separately while you vape. I would never have recommended the FF2 prior to the availability of an external charger, since the battery life is limited and you can't use the vape while it is charging :2c:

    The FF2 also comes with SS mesh, which IME combined with convection heat is the best way to vape non-full melt hash like mentioned above. By comparison, the storm uses a titanium bullet (like the old pinnacle pro concentrate bullets) which is obviously conductively heated. Conductive heating for non-full melt hash is not very effective unless you pack the bowl as full as possible, which in this case would be a hell of a lot of hash.

    The FF2 can allow for more even heating of the hash which will give better flavor for a given load from start to finish. :2c:
     
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  19. GreenHopper

    GreenHopper 20 going on 60

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    All true bud, I'm just not a fan of the FF2 in general and the cost difference is 4x the price.

    The FF2 + External battery charger + additional batteries is one hell of an investment for some.

    If we are talking FF2 pricing territory I'd rather opt for a GrassHopper (even with the QA issues).

    Personally I'm thinking @Pipes project (the SF all glass one) would work well with Hash and would have a great price point. It's major issue is that it's not an off the shelf product. It's not complex in anyway but it does need someone with a basic understanding to put it together and there is some basic MOD (Ohms, volts, amps, watts) understanding that's required.
     
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  20. sternenstaub

    sternenstaub Active Member

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    All valid points, for everyone who finds this thread inquiring sizzling hash - it's like herbivore21 said. I spent a little time researching it and yep. Top notch answers, @herbivore21 :tup:
     
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  21. Used2use

    Used2use Landrace racer

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    Another reason for shizzling noises can be fine particles that 'blow up' due to heat - that can be some additives, but some particles just have the same size and density as trichomes and can not be removed with traditional methods. Thats esp a outdoor plants and weather around harvest time problem, my indian charras teacher told me 2-3 days after a rain will yield the cleanest quality, and he was right ;) The normal stages should be melting, bubbling, boilng, evaporating and more fragile like glass when stored in the fridge, which i recommend eg charras looses most of its flavour in 2 weeks if kept in the open...

    @herbivore21 to get rid of any possible acetone residue in the vapman just heat the midpiece for a while with a hair dryer or in a oven - a solution for the condensate problem could be drilling out the moutpiece opening a bit to fit a glass stem down to maybe 1/8 of an inch above the ss screen, but with traditional hashes condensate is not such a big problem, just the diy high grade stuff (i do screen with 10 stepps from 200my to 20my to evaluate perfect harvesting time for a strain, very interresting to see overmature blood red libanese trics swell up to +180 my)

    The combination of mighty and volcano works too with most traditional hashes, just use a dosing cap in the mighty up to 210C till no vapour shows, then recrumble and finish it at night with the cano at max.

    But best any hash and concentrate vape is imo the vaponic, or with casing the vaponic+. All glass vapour path and mostly convection offers the best flavour possible - cleaning is very easy too when u prevent any material touching the glass (i fill a 15mm screen pushed into a basket, with a second basket on top to prevent anything from falling on the outer tube). Only the inner tube will need a 10 min soak in iso, i don't even remove the inner screen.

    But no matter what vape better traditional hash will always need recrumbling during the session, the theory behind:
    the surface of a small piece gets hot, starts evaporating the goodies, dries out and shrinks. that causes some micro cracks from which the same cycle starts, but the core of the piece won't be reached by that cracks, it's more insulated by the vaped surface residue. Stickier hash doesn't need to be crumbled at the start, it will rebind together when heat is added in my experience. but after some draws, it's less sticky and gets easier to crumble, i do sometimes recrumble 3-4 times, the more vaped residue there is the finer it can be crumbled till basically a dry powder is left
     
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  22. Ricd

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    Hi again guys.

    I allready order the VapCap M to smoke my hash :-)

    And I want to buy another portable vaporizer to smoke hash, but something like Firefly2. Small, easy to use, discreet, nice, removeble battery...

    When I saw the price, more than 300€, I get a bit scared. But if is good justifies the price.

    Anyone now's a portable vaporizer like Firefly2 more cheaper? Don't forget I want smoke hash.
    My budget is around 200€.

    Someone said the Firefly1 is almost the same thing than Firefly2.

    It's true mates? If yes can I used with hash in firefly1 too?

    I can find the Firefly2 more cheaper at ebay, but I'm afraid to order this product from there, may don't have quality enough.

    Many Thanks,
    Sorry to be soo anoing.

    Ricd
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  23. Used2use

    Used2use Landrace racer

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    :2c: the things with most battery powered vapes in the long run are:
    - hash will need the max temp, so thermal insulation of the batteries is the main factor for degeneration
    - it will gunk up any bowl pretty fast
    so the most convenient option is imo the mighty, the dosing caps keep it clean and batteries are well insulated, so it has no problems with max temp all the time. Downside is, that the 210C max temp is a bit low, 230C or more will work better but u still get 95% of the flavour out. It really depends on the hash type if recrumbling is needed or not, the true moroccan landraces are often harvested a bit early in the lower regions which makes it more powdry and less sticky...
    Tbh i often don't recrumble, collect it, put it in the freezer and smash it down to a powder for a hot chocolate or throw it in a bottle of Havanna Club :) (my favourite, but sometimes hard to dose, if u dont keep track of the amount u put in :lol: - too much can result in loosing a few hours of memory :evil:, but dosed correct a really nice experience :tup:)
     
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  24. Bad Ocelot

    Bad Ocelot Well-Known Member

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    I definitely second the vapcap for hash use. My current hash setup is a vapcap M as well actually. One upgrade I would recommend would be the Ti tip. The M comes with an SS tip, which is great for flower, but I actually prefer Ti for hash as it seems to get hotter faster, while this can make it a little easier to scorch a flower load, it's ideal for hash. I'd also second the double torch lighter as well. I use a triple for flower, but somewhat counterintuitively things get hotter with a double torch as the clicker heats faster than the load so the longer you're applying heat before the click, the hotter the load gets. Hope that helps!
     
  25. moodster80

    moodster80 Well-Known Member

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    i have been using vapefiend storm for my hash and it gets the room spinning ! also its a lot to do with what hash you use I have some really nice bendy / fluffy maroc I hit it in my storm and on the exhale you get like a minty / floral taste best hash I have vaped in a long time
     
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