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Buying a new vaporiser for hash

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Thevapourrizer, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Thevapourrizer

    Thevapourrizer New Member

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    Hi guys so im quitting on joints and bongs wanna buy a new vape to smoke hash . Can you suggest
    1. Can i smoke hash in a vape
    2. Is fire fly 2 a good option ?
    3. Which one would you suggest !
     
  2. ilsasta

    ilsasta Active Member

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    As I could read online, MFLB is a really good vape for hash, but I don't have any idea about the rest, I am not a big fan of hash. I have tried vaping some in my Haze V3 and wasn't successful, couldn't get any vapour and taste was bad IMO.
     
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  3. Marihuana

    Marihuana Iso Tensei

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    What kind of hash are you talking about? I have a feeling you're from Europe. Middle Eastern hash that gets imported into Europe often has many additives to bulk it and give it texture. Do you purchase from "your buddy", make your own, or buy real dry sift, bubble, etc from the Netherlands/some other regulated or professional source?
     
  4. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    For not full melt hash the VapCap is the best one I know.
     
  5. sternenstaub

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    The Vapman handles all concentrates great. I'd say either that, or the Vapcap. Between those two it's just a matter of taste in vaporizers. Both are butane powered vapes.
     
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  6. Hogni

    Hogni Honi soit qui mal y pense

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    ...or elektrickery if you've a Pipe's induction heater
     
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  7. sternenstaub

    sternenstaub Active Member

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    Good point. Check out the Vapman Station if you want to heat the Vapman with electricity.
     
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  8. Ricd

    Ricd New Member

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    Hi guys!! The only thing i smoke is solid hash, like marrocan hash. That one you have to mix with tobacco to smoke, and i want to quit the tobacco shit If was possible. As so, i start looking for portable vaporizers to smoke solid hash, and most of the people i talk about, like on ebay, and another websites from vaporizers, they told me that i can. Vaporizers like, Crafty from Volcano, PAX3, Muad-Dib, V-ONE, FlowerMate Vapormax V5... The thing is, all this vaporizers say i can smoke WAX, but i think WAX is different from Hash, like marrocan hash! Can you guys help me? Its really possible to smoke hash in this devices? If yes, what is the best one? Is there any other vaporizers that can take hash?

    Many thanks,
    Ricd, Portugal
     
  9. Marihuana

    Marihuana Iso Tensei

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    I think your best bet is to extract oil from the import hash with a method such as the rosin tech and then run that resulting rosin through the QWISO technique. If you do your homework and filter out as much of the bad stuff as you can, you should get some halfway decent wax/oil/whatever-you-want-to-call-it that is usable with concentrate vaporizers. The possibility of additives in hash, to me, is just gross. No offense, but I think we need to leave as many non-cannabis additives out of the equation as we can.
     
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  10. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome fellow hash lover! As you can see by my pic to the left, I am somebody who solely vapes hash and doesn't really use cannabis flower at all. Some of the recommendations in this thread will help you, but I feel that some things need to be mentioned from the perspective of somebody who only vapes hash. First though, to your questions:

    1. Yes, you will get the best results vaping hash, not smoking it! You will be so surprised how far a small piece of good moroccan hash can be taken in a vaporizer vs smoking!

    2. The firefly 2 is as good an option as you will find for portable use of hash that doesn't fully melt (Morrocan hash can fully melt, but that quality of product is not so likely to be found commonly in Europe). It allows the user to modify temperatures so that they can be hotter than what we'd use for flowers. You need more heat for hash vaping than what you would use for flowers. One major problem with the firefly 2 for hash is that the battery life is very limited and the external battery chargers are not very common yet. I would not rely on an FF2 alone for hash.

    3. I suggest the following options:

    * D-nail lotus flower adapter or Twax flowerpot. These are plug in vapes that connect to a bong. They will give you gigantic lung busting rips of vapor from a very small amount of hash, and can be left always on for instant use. They allow for much more heat than is required to vaporize hash, which is a major benefit as most flower vapes IME are not cut out for hash vaping.

    * Vapcap M with stainless steel concentrate pad from Storz & Bickel which has been reshaped to fit in the vapcap bowl (this stainless steel mesh will prevent your hash from melting through the vape and promote better vaporization). The vapcap M is IMO the best portable for using hash in public. It uses a jet lighter to heat up and so isn't held back by the battery limitations that the FF2 has.

    I do not personally recommend any electronic portables for hash aside from the FF2 (and tbh, the FF2 battery limitations prevent me from really recommending that either, but it will taste better than any other portable for hash). I only use hash and as such, have very high standards for what I require - I want something that I can hit, clean rapidly with a brush or similar and then reload and vape more immediately from a clean bowl. Most flower vapes get impossibly filthy when you use hash in them and cannot be kept clean, which means every bowl you vape tastes like old overcooked hash remains from previous bowls.

    The Haze V3 is fucking terrible for concentrates. I love the haze v3, but IMO it should never have been marketed as being compatible with concentrates. IME, it is simply not.

    The MFLB is truly one step away from putting your hash on a screen and touching it with a soldering iron to vape it. It is also made of wood and silicone, both of which will swell with hash resin very quickly and taste like old gunk. This is not the way to enjoy hash and I do not recommend that anybody use any product with silicone or wood in the vapor path with hash.

    Good hash makes it from the Middle East to Europe man. I have friends in various European countries who have shown me fire export hash that they've found. You'd be surprised. I am given to understand that good Morrocan hash is not too hard to find in many parts of Western Europe these days!

    With this said, the black markets that operate around the world do carry risks of contamination/adulteration that are less of a problem in legalized parts of the world.

    Most definitely, and at the price of a vapcap M, I can't see any reason not to buy one!

    I do not recommend the Vapman for hash. The wooden midsection will be drowning in reclaim after a few bowls and it impossible to get that shit clean. Your vapman will forever taste like old overcooked hash. As I said above, avoid wood in your vapor path for hash vaping if you want to minimize waste and maximize cleanliness and taste!

    This is a great idea too, I need to get my hands on one of those!

    Again, I do not recommend this. As one of the first people ever to use a vapman station with hash, I can confidently report that this is not ideal, for the same reasons I outlined above (also the station was very slow to heat the vapman hot enough for hash vaping when compared to a lighter).

    Greetings, please see my post above and please do not buy ANY OF THOSE VAPES that you mentioned in that list there. None of them will give ideal hash performance. What works for wax will not work for hash that does not fully melt. Your hash, being Morrocan, is not likely to fully melt so you are limited to the vapes I have suggested above. Please don't hesitate to ask if you have anymore questions. I am happy to assist since very few FC members vape hash regularly and this advice can be hard to find :peace:

    No, this is not going to clean adulterated hash if it is adulterated. Some adulterants will be further concentrated by solvent processing. I do not recommend solvent extracts from import hash to prevent adulteration/contamination. The only way to do that is to find clean hash. If you suspect your hash, find another source of hash.

    When you rosin hash, the rosin always tastes worse than the hash that it came from. You leave behind the best part of the flavor when doing this. This is why I stopped rosining hash. I'd rather vape hash that doesn't fully melt as it is than rosin it to make it work for dabbing.

    Solvent processing of hash similarly diminishes flavor due to the purge.

    The multiple processing passes (rosin, then QWISO) will obliterate any remaining terps in the hash, which we must remember has already been heat pressed. IME, further processing hash that has been heat pressed in the traditional way in a way that subjects it to more heat makes the flavor drastically deteriorate into something that tastes so bad that I wouldn't want to vape it. :2c:

    The following can be very effective tools to examine hash for adulteration:

    * A microscope/high magnification jeweller's glass. Anything beyond 60x will do. If you share magnified pics here, I can help you examine the material. Please understand that high magnification inspection is not fool proof, but it can assist greatly in detecting solid adulterants.

    * All hash that doesn't fully melt will catch fire if heated enough with a source of ignition present, however, if your hash readily catches fire the second that a flame is held near it and continues to burn in the absence of a source of ignition (as if it were adulterated with flammable solvents) then you should avoid that hash. Solvents can be used to make hash look more 'sticky' and hence of better quality than it actually is.

    * Similarly, if the hash audibly sizzles when you heat it, for traditional hash, this can be evidence of solvent adulteration, or water contamination.
     
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  11. darbarikanada

    darbarikanada Well-Known Member

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    you're right that hash comes in different textures, even if you exclude other concentrates like wax; bubble hash (which comes in many different forms, from gooey to powdery) and hard hash. my mighty didn't work well with hard hash, so I asked on this forum for advice. people suggested the vapcap - I took their advice and would suggest you do the same. the mighty doesn't get hot enough to fully vaporize hard hash (it's great with the other types though), and getting really close to combustion temperature is something the vapcap does easily - you have to be careful not to combust with vapcaps.

    someone suggested putting a modified mighty 'liquid pad' in a vapcap for hash, but I've had good results without doing that; just slice hard hash very thin, and don't put too much in the bowl - maybe .05g. I suppose you could also use heat to make a thin layer(?) - it'd probably depend on how hard the hash is.

    I think you'd be very happy vaping hash with a vapcap - in the same way that vaping flower tastes like it smells before heating, vaping hash tastes the way unheated hash smells - delicious!

    if you decide to get a vapcap, the easiest way to go is with the 'M', but some people think the titanium cap models are a bit better. you can get a basic titanium model ('single-crown ti-woody') for not much more than the M. I haven't done the comparison, but if you posted the question on the vapcap forum ("is the ti tip better for vaping hard hash than the M?"), you'd probably get some good information - a lot of people have multiple vapcaps. (I'm pretty sure @Squiby would be a good person to ask)

    hope this helps!
     
  12. steama

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    For most vapes you can't just stick a chunk of hard Moroccan hash in them and expect that it will work worth a shit. First you need to prepare the hash as in heat it up, break it up, and fluff it up before you attempt to vape it. Make the hash open to the heat of the vaporizer, convection or conduction, both types can work well. Many vapes can do hash if you prepare the hash for vaping.

    One of the best vapes for hash is the vapor genie glass sherlock. :2c:
     
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  13. Abysmal Vapor

    Abysmal Vapor Shaman of The Pyramid of Orlin'Malah

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    The best vaporizer for just hash(no herb) is the vaponic. You just make a roll of hash and wrap it up in the provided screen :). It does well with shatter and reclaim too ,just spread it on the screen and roll up,you wont be dissapointed,taste is good even with weaker dry hashes,which tend to taste bad at the end. i also suggest water filtration cause hits are enormous.and taste is good even with weaker dry hashes,which tend to taste bad at the end.
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  14. Squiby

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    The Vapcap is very efficient and versatile. It handles bud, hash and concentrates with ease.

    For vaping dry bud and hash I like to sandwich a degummed hemp fiber filter between two screens. This filter ensures a very cool, smooth, flavorful and non irritating vapor. For bud, I just tear off a nug from a bud and just pop it in there. I shave a thin slice of hard Moroccan hash using a razor and pop it in the chamber and for soft pliable Afghan hash, I pinch a bit off and flatten it into a thin pancake.

    For concentrates I use a concentrate pad that I stuff into the herb chamber and top up with concentrate. I works great. Nice flavour and you can take tokes periodically throughout the day without degrading the flavour.

    When you no longer produce vapour your concentrate is used up and its time to reload.

    Here are the details for making a hemp filter sandwich.

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-295#post-1034430

    And here are the steps for making your Vapcap into a great concentrate vape.

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dynavap-vapcap.18853/page-628#post-1122587
     
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  15. FatFreddy

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    Wow, what a comprehensive answer!
    I'm new here and new to vaping. I have a few questions about my new hobby and it seems you may be the person to ask.....
    ok, so after 35 yrs of combusting I have just discovered vaping. I haven't found the transition hard at all but as I gave up tobacco 20 yrs ago it's not that much of a leap.
    I mainly use hash because of the smell. My wife doesn't use cannabis at all and gets really paranoid because weed stinks so much.
    I use a Vapefiend Storm. I didn't want to spend too much ££'s as I had no idea how well I'd take to it. I'm very pleased so far but have no point of comparison. I can see why some say it's a bit hot but after using a pipe for 20 yrs it seems pretty cool to me. A habitual cough I'd developed over the years went away within days of taking up vaping.
    Anyway, enough waffling, my first question is this...
    I use a fairly dry, solid, Morrocan. I still have to warm it to fluff it up and crumble into a coarse powder.
    I have tried vaping at lower temps with interesting (giggly) effects but as most days after work I just want to get baked asap, I just use full temp. (I assume I'll still get the benefits of the lower temp effects lied in with the higher temp effects. Yes?)
    I have been surprised at How often/long I can go back to a relatively small amount and still get vapour. But I have noticed after a while my storm gets really hot and at that stage, having been vaping the same capsule-full for 10 mins or so, I get much thicker vapour that sewms to tighten my lungs and makes me cough.
    If I persist, the residual solids in the capsule have toasted a very dark colour and I wonder, is there a point at which I'm inhaling toxins of some kind? Or is this thicker vapor to be relished?
    And then there is the issue of passive vaping. I have smoked outdoors for years, initially because I had young kids and latterly to keep the Mrs sweet.
    If I vape indoors will she be getting passively stoned or experience any negative effects?
    Any and all hints / tips greatfully received.
    thanks
     
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  16. darbarikanada

    darbarikanada Well-Known Member

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    my experience - and what a lot of this discussion is about - is that hard hash is more difficult to fully vape than flower. you definitely get flavor - and some effects - at lower temperatures, but you won't finish the hash, i.e. some of it never gets consumed.

    maybe that's because you're not finishing it at those low temps. I recently 'pushed the envelope', just kept going - on the highest temperature - until it was done, and ended up getting about 50% more vapes than I expected.

    I suspect the 'passive' effect of vapor is lower than that of smoke, but depends on factors like the size of the clouds you're creating and air circulation...
     
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  17. FatFreddy

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    Thanks
     
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  18. ilsasta

    ilsasta Active Member

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    I can't figure out why I keep reading this, I love the haze v3 with concentrates (unless hash XD), I get long sesh with a tiny bit of material and taste is really great. Only requirement is to pre-heat the bowl before dropping in the can.
    :peace:
     
  19. Ricd

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    Hi guys.
    Thanks for all the answers. My hash is not hard, without a lighter I can break it in really tiny pieces. It's almost like this one in profile photo on the left. Colour, smell are really good, and is very malleable.
    After read all the comments, I think what is best to smoke hash is the Vapcap M Stainless Steel.
    But other people here tell me the XVape Vital, Hrizer Solo, Vaponic, are good too. What you think guys?
    Everyone sad the FireFly 2 are good to hash but the battery is no good.
    Like my hash breaks easily do you think the Firefly 2 life battery is gonna have more last time?
    I would like a vaporizer I don't need to use a lighter to smoke, thats why I'm asking that. Because at lunch time in the work, I go out to smoke my join... and what I really like mates, is a vaporizer I can put a few little pieces of hash inside, and than smoke, and for that just need a open space. And is much more healthy because we don't mix tobacco shit.

    I hope you guys understand.
    Ricd, Portugal
     
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  20. FatFreddy

    FatFreddy Member

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    Sorry about
    my only vaping experience is with the vapefiend storm. It's very basic, quite solidly made, discrete (I've used it at parties/football matches no problem) and very affordable. I have found it works well with hash. You have to fill a resin capsule and pop it in but this means I can load 2/3 at a time and then just chill.
    No doubt there are reviews on here??? See what other folks think.
    Apparently you get what you pay for with vaporizing so this might be a bit basic for you?
    Happy vaping
     
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  21. GreenHopper

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    Sounds like nice semi crumbly hash.

    I agree with the VapCappers, the M is the way to go. If you don't want to deal with butane you can get an Induction Heater which work great.

    I'm hitting some squidgy lion stamp hash in my custom VapCap through an empty MFLB Orbiter but heated using the induction heater and its working great.

    I tore off a small half a pea chunk which I rolled into a thin sausage. Then I flattened the sausage and rolled it into a strip of fine stainless steel mesh.

    Getting some nice rips.
     
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  22. sternenstaub

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    Hey @herbivore21,

    that was a highly interesting post, thank you for that. I know this sizzling sound that you are talking about, which seems to appear with the darker, more pliable pieces after the first heating cycle. I know that some consider it to be a sign of higher quality, so I wonder which it is. Can you tell me a bit more on your source on this? Really curious!

    While I think your post is great, I disagree on your disqualification of the Vapman. The middle section can be completely cleaned in Acetone if you want, but I don't find it that bad actually. It can be replaced for not too much money as well. I don't feel the need to clean it every week and the taste is great with the vape. Draw resistence is awesome with that unit too!

    And with the station... I doubt you used it correctly in this case. There are zero problems with heating it for that task. The trick is, to leave it just a little while longer in its place before lifting the Vapman out of the Staion's socket. It's perfect and feels more like a session. It has a slow and highly efficient extraction, you can do this with just one hand, you just sit back and do the cycles.

    But that said, I'm sure the Vapcap M is very nice and efficient as well. Why do you prefer the M over the Omnivap? Price or more reasons?
     
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  23. Ricd

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    Hi mate.

    Vapefiend Storm seens to be very discrete to smoke outdoor. How long you have the Vapefiend storm? do you smoke everydays with that? Do you have good results with that vaporizer?


    I'm inclined to buy the Vapefiend Storm to smoke outdoor, and the VapCap M to smoke in home.

    The thing is, i just want to now if this is the best Vaporizer for hash without using any king of lighter. More people talk about the FireFly 2, XVape Vital, Hrizer Solo... Whats the best mates?
     
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  24. herbivore21

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    IME, from a hashmaker's perspective, hard hash cannot necessarily be assumed to require breaking up. I have 5 and 6 star hashes that feel like shatter and are rock hard, like quartz almost. They melt like water with a little bit of heat - AND MUST ABSOLUTELY NOT BE HEATED PRIOR TO USE! Heating hash to crumble it up will degrade the flavor of the hash. When one uses hash of the quality that I always use, this is a terrible waste!

    There are two ways to vaporize good hash. One is the crumble and grind it up to expose more surface area to convective heat in the bowl. The other is to tightly pack as much as you can in a bowl and stuff the rest of it with SS wool (which conduct and keeps the heat immediately wrapping the hash for better conduction and heat build-up inside the load). I prefer the latter which is why I was AFAIK the first at FC to be using SS concentrate pads in the vapcaps/omnivap.

    One thing to appreciate is that cruder, lower quality hash that may be hard and does not melt when vaped will require much larger loads to get the good clouds. The stuff that melts enough to dab, use a small amount like a dab ;)

    I don't mix bud and hash in a vape because the bud will be spent long, long before the hash will. The taste of overspent bud really spoils the flavor of vaped hash, which can very easily far surpass flower vaping IME.

    BTW, I am a hash user who has a vapcap M and an omnivap. I prefer the omnivap a little bit for its heat properties, but the vapcap M is so cheap I can't not recommend it.

    The thick vapor is indeed to be relished! That is very much the beauty of hash vaping. Hash creates clouds that you'll never get from any flower, and can be even cloudier than dabbing oil!

    You need to use water if you are having huge thick rips from hash like this regularly, as you'll notice these hits are big enough to choke you out when you hit it dry! It'll leave you very parched!

    I would not vape large plumes of hash near kids in covered areas, since IME somebody sitting near very large amounts of concentrate vapor for a while can get a little giggly and vaked. Developing brains should not be exposed to cannabis except for in the event of medical necessity where the balance of outcomes has been carefully considered by a medical professional (if at all possible). You're a good Dad for being conscious of preventing this man! Kudos to you!

    Many of my adult friends who do not partake do not mind being indoors when I medicate, some actually really enjoy the gentle psychoactivity that sitting near somebody vaping hash can provide :) If your wife is not into cannabis at all, then best not to vape around her either for those big cloudy exhales! :peace:

    Agreed, hash needs more heat for sure.
     
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  25. herbivore21

    herbivore21 Well-Known Member

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    This!

    Hash requires more heat than oils to vaporize. IME, even pre-heating the bowls in the Haze, the results are lackluster. The bowl takes an eternity to finish, the taste is good, but nowhere near as good as my other concentrate vapes. I have incredibly high quality hash like that you see in my avatar. I have equally high standards for the flavor and efficiency of a vaporizer that I'll use my hash with. The haze is not able to get hot enough to spend a full load of hash at all in many cases IME, for reasons that @darbarikanada outlined. In the cases that it can eventually fully spend the load, the time taken is far too long, and the haze does not lend itself to hitting the same load for a while, stopping and then starting to vape the same load again later.

    Do that man, you definitely won't regret it. The most portable, cheapest high quality vape out there.

    Your hash sounds like it is of quite a good quality! This is good to hear! :D

    Of those, I'd only consider the vaponic. The Vapcap M is better IMO though, much more durable, smaller and less suspicious looking to some (I've passed it off as an ecig many times).

    The FF2 may meet your needs for this, but if you buy it, buy several batteries and get an external battery charger. It cannot be used while charging and the stock charger can take a while from what I've heard.

    This is an excellent idea too!

    Sizzling comes from either moisture getting into the hash or solvents being used to adulterate the hash. The reason I have come by this knowledge is simple - I've made all kinds of extracts, solvent based and solventless (like hash, see my avatar for some of my bubble hash!) for years. I cut my teeth with solvent techniques and learned that residual solvent in a dab will cause this loud audible sizzle when it is left in your concentrate and you try to vape it.

    As a bubble hash maker, I have also learned that hash that still has some water in it will sizzle loudly. If you bought bubble hash and it sizzles, it may be that the hashmaker didn't fully dry the resin. If this is the case, finish your hash quickly, or press it out into a very flat patty to allow it to dry a little better a while.

    If you bought traditional hash and it sizzles, best case is some moisture got into it in storage/transit (dry it as above, that moisture can cause mold over time!). If it sizzles and you taste any solvent-like flavor whatsoever, avoid that hash like the plague!

    I agree that the midsection can be cleaned on the vapman with acetone, but residual acetone swells into the wood and can be tasted in subsequent hits. It is not safe, needless to say. Also brings the risk of making this wooden midsection flammable if used too soon after the soak. Wood swells with every liquid it comes into contact with, and this greatly influences the taste. IME, even cleaning the wood in this way did not prevent nasty old taste build up in the wood over a few subsequent hits. I use the finest connoisseur quality hash and would never consume it in a way that the taste was not perfect. My standards are much higher than others as I need a vape that does justice to this quality of material. I also find that very melty hash doesn't just get a little reclaim in the midsection - it comprehensively drowns the midsection! I can't use 5-6 star hash with the vapman with so much success, no matter how many concentrate screens I used.

    Also I am not sure that you are familiar with me man, I definitely knew how to use the station properly. My problem was that the heat up when used in this way took a very long time to get clouds and the slow heat-up leads to the flavor of the best hashes being lost floating in the air above the vape during the long warm-up cycle, long before you pick it up to inhale (this will be less noticeable with lesser grades of hash, for reference, my hash is unusually high quality as I make my own for my head and do not distribute it, so have no incentive to adulterate/cut corners with quality). It is probably worth clarifying that I am also a very busy medical user with a demanding career, I do not want to spend up to half an hour consuming a bowl :2c:

    Also I had to soak my midsection for unreasonably long periods of time. I bought a vapman before the vapcap existed. Now, I could never recommend a vapman over a vapcap.

    As to your question about the vapcap M vs omni. I prefer the omni slightly for concentrates, but the cost difference means that for new users, I'll always recommend the M. I prefer the heft of the M in my hand to the omni too FWIW. :peace:

    Finally @Ricd don't bother with the solo. If your hash melts much, you're gonna get a nasty mess. The Solo also doesn't get enough max temp to fully spend a bowl of hash IME. I know nothing about the xvape vital...
     
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