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Best way to get a hit from the whip?

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by saeton, Jul 12, 2010.

  1. saeton

    saeton Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    I am a bit of a slow learner here, but have figured out a lot of stuff with how to get the right amount of high for the occasion.

    Wondering the best way to take a hit from a whip. I've noticed sucking like from a straw gets a lot of heat really quickly and a lot of thick vapor; however, it doesn't get it into my lungs and doesn't seem to get me high (and I breathe out a lot of thick vapor too). When I do some of that first and then just breathe in normally the rest of the way I seem to get high almost instantly and effectively, coughing seems to impede it but not so much.

    Any other input on how much vapor should be coming out when I breathe out or how to take/hold/inhale that hit from the whip?
     
  2. Nosferatu

    Nosferatu Well-Known Member

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    Well usually you wanna suck pretty slow I call it sippin the vape. All visible vapor you blow out is technically wasted vapor so taking more shorter/smaller hits and holding them in for as long as possible is best. Vapor takes time to soak in so hold at least 8 seconds. What kinda vape do you have?
     
  3. steiner666

    steiner666 Serial vapist

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    yeah i always advise ppl to go slow and low. Taking slow hits is usually more consistent i find, because sometimes when you take fast hits you get too much air and not enough vapor because the air wasnt moving over the herb long enough for it to get heated and release vapor before you run out of lung capacity. Fast hits also can cool the heating element down to the point where its having trouble maintaining stable vaping temp, which of course also results in inconsistent hits.

    And yeah I try to stop hitting before my lungs are full so that I can suck some fresh air in behind the vape (usually do this by removing bowl from heat source and "clearing" the whip and getting some extra air that way) and hold it in for a while. Gets the vapor deeper in your lungs and feels much more effective. I also usually do the "rebreathing" technique of partially exhaling the hit and suck in some air and repeating until theres nothing but air being exhaled. Also seems to help.

    I also second the above opinion that thick clouds are probably more wasteful than effective, and that ppls desire for them really just comes from old habits from smoking, esp bong smokers. I always go for visible but easily held hits. I start at the lowest temp that still produces vapor and work my way up as needed. Unless i'm in a hurry for whatever reason, then i just go to the higher temps and get it done in fewer hits, but i dont think that works as well still.
     
  4. rabblerouser

    rabblerouser vaporizer evangelist / collector

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    I'm in the camp that thinks exhaled vapor is wasted. I think a similar cloud of vapor is more potent than a corresponding cloud of smoke (roughly same density in appearance cloud of each). If you think you're exhaling any thc with smoke, i think you have to be exhaling more with vapor.

    not that i don't like big rips, but i think they're wasteful
     
  5. bluntfaced

    bluntfaced I'm El Diablo Baby!!!

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    Use your abdomen to make a vacuum with your lungs and let the vapor pour in
     
  6. saeton

    saeton Well-Known Member

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    Wow, I think I figured it out. Still perfecting, but I actually felt much more medicated than I had for a number of months. I think I worked up a tolerance, but also hadn't really learned how to take hits properly. Last night I did a damn good job, thanks for the help folks. Going to try again later tonight to see if I can keep it up.

    Rabble I totally agree with you. I think the 'big hit to exhale' is a left over for people who smoked in the past mostly. I also think I went through a period of way too low temps and nothing too exhale, but yeah should take in whatever you can hold mostly. Cool, thanks
     
  7. hades65

    hades65 Well-Known Member

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    I believe it is important to point out another way of hitting a whip or any vape that goes against what many vaporist say to do. For those that like the full effect of the herb with equal vaporization of CBNs and etc I believe it is important to start out hot rather than starting out low and working up. Think about from this perspective.... if you are starting at a low temp and working your way up, you are not starting to vaporize the CBNs until you get to that higher temp. Considering it takes 3-5 long draws to even get all of the lower vaporizing temperature THC from the herb, then you will also want to get 3-5 long draws that is working just as hard on those CBNs and etc that are extracted at a higher temperature. I run across a big mass of people that state vaporizing doesn't produce the same effect for them as smoking. This could be due partly to not vaping hot enough. I prefer to get the full effects of the herb and when I want a sativa effect I switch herb rather than adjust temperature. It all depends on the individual of what way is best for him. I feel the vapor community sort of ignores those that like the CBNs and the full weed effect.
     
  8. nickzzzx

    nickzzzx Well-Known Member

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    I find it hard to hold in very thick high temp hits from my da buddha, that's why I start at a lower temp and increase. Works just as well, just takes longer and doesn't waste as much. You do make some good points though about CBDs, those are pretty important to a full spectrum stone.
     
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  9. steiner666

    steiner666 Serial vapist

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    by all means i'm saying to vape the full temp range, just not all at once. i think its important to have a balance of thc and cbns, so i vape a small amount of herb all the way from green to brown and its totally spent in one sitting rather than some ppl maybe vape a reg sized amount partially and then more later. Unless i'm intentionally trying to separate the effects for whatever reason. but thats just what i prefer.
     
  10. Tuck

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    If you are worried about wasting vapor by exhaling it, could you exhale into a bag and reclaim some of it? Maybe use a gallon freezer bag with a straw? I think I might go try this right now.

    Edit: I'm definitely getting vapor. But its kind of a pain in the ass.
     
  11. bluntfaced

    bluntfaced I'm El Diablo Baby!!!

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    yeah it gets to a point where it's more trouble than it's worth. Try exhaling like 1/3 or 1/4 of your lung full then inhaling again and repeat. That way you get more oxygen to your brain instead of inhaling all that co2 you exhaled and I think the high is better.
     
  12. saeton

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    I may have to try out what you were saying about switching it up and starting high and maybe even working my way down (adding a little fresh at a time). I tried a diff friend's vape last weekend (and different strain) and got reeeeeally high. So, maybe her temps were higher than what I'm doing, and I got it all at once. Going to crank it to 220 or 230 and try there for a bit with fresh herb see how it goes right now.

    bluntfaced: what did you mean about exhaling like 1/3. from having a full breath already? exhaling a bit and then vbreathing back in on the whip? not sure i'm following... or it's working, lol...
     
  13. luchiano

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    I'm not understanding what you're saying entirely.

    The reason why I say start low then go high is to prevent the lower temp oils from burning and turning carcinogenic as well as help the high overtime because these oils help the cells of the body stay fluid and can absorb more nutrients, in this case cannabinoids. They also add to the high in different ways. You will really feel this affect if you have a highly tasty strain or do some other things with essential oils if your vaporizer can use them. As long as you eat the right foods that can be made in the brain and body, the oils will release them and you will have a nice high off of very little cannabinoids.

    Anyway, I just went off topic so if you vape low until around 375f, you can then turn the temp up to 400-410f if you want everything at once as far as CBD and THC. If your herb is green and fresh I doubt that you will have CBN because that is oxidized THC. If you you vape at a high temperature of around 390-396 and don't finish your vape some of the thc will oxidize to CBN which is why I don't think saving it is a good idea and you should finish your session at one sitting.

    A lot of herb don't have CBD of course this can vary depending on the way the herb was grown as far as nutrients but what I think a lot of people are feeling is some small amounts of beta-carophyllene which vapes at higher temperatures around 450f but of course smaller amounts will vape at lower temperatures.

    As far as getting the best hit from a whip I would advise you to have a small bubbler or something you can attach a whip to but that isn't big like a bong because it will cause you to work too hard and dilute the vapor too much. The water will act as a second lung and help you get a thick vapor with little work.

    You want to inhale so slow that you aren't inhaling anything into your lungs. Your mouth is acting as a lung and you fill it up full of vapor. Then you swallow the vapor not inhale. Right after that you inhale through your nose until your lungs are full. Hold the vapor until you can't anymore and exhale through the nose not the mouth because the nose will help absorb the rest of the vapor as well as hitting you faster because the chemicals in the vapor goes straight to your brain while the rest has to circulate through your body which is good but you want to utilize the nose.

    If your herb is dry and you don't have any bubblers or anything like that, you can drink some water right before vaping and hold it in your mouth for a few seconds, then vape so you can prevent dry mouth as well as moisturize the vapor to prevent stuffy nose when exhaling through the nose.

    Remember it's not about a big cloud it's about potency. A lot of times a big cloud just means diluted vapor because the air mixes with the oils and it gives a thick white cloud but it isn't more potent. Think of whipped cream. It is a liquid of oils and proteins but the more you whip it air gets into it and makes it fluffy and white but it is still the same protein and oil it is just that oxygen and oils love each other and the more air that comes into contact with the oil the bigger it gets. The same with vapor, the more air that comes into contact with the vapor the bigger it gets but it also loses it's potency because it's diluted and your lungs can only hold and process a certain amount. This is why when hash or oils are smoked using charcoal they don't have as much smoke as when the same amount is used in a bong or bubbler. When you inhale hard and fast more oxygen is introduced to the oils in the vapor and puffs it up to look bigger but all you are doing is diluting your smoke/vapor. The question for each person is how much do they want to dilute their vapor and the bigger the tool the more diltuing

    The reason why a lot of people like bongs and things that push the smoke/vapor deep into the lungs is because the vapor goes deep into the lungs which activate parasympathetic nerves and give a feeling of relaxation but they are losing a lot of good vapor. This is why I state to go slow because the heat is extracting the vapor and you are bringing just enough air to move the extracted chemicals to your mouth to hold the vapor and once swallowed you can bring in air through the nostrils to send the herb deep into the lungs without diluting it.

    If you have a small bubbler or bong that is diffused you won't have to work hard at all because the holes help the water act as lungs and you will get vapor with very little effort.
     
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  14. saeton

    saeton Well-Known Member

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    luchiano this is interesting and helpful. my thing is that i think i am too dependent on seeing the vapor 'smoke' afterward and not actually bringing it in slowly enough or properly. i feel like i never get high, to be honest... i think your description is going to help for my next session, which is in about 4 minutes.
     
  15. steiner666

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    try hitting it really slow, like to the point where its barely audible. My friend was using my SSV today and complained that he was sucking bits through, and i told him i rarely ever have that happen to me unless i hit it too fast. I told him to hit it slower, he said he already was hitting it slow, and i told him to hit it slower still and he did and got a huge hit. You know, one of the ones that make your lungs explode and give you this face :o before you even let it out. My hits are so slow they usually last a good 10 seconds or so.

    Also, i've heard some ppl say that they like to vary their hit speed during their hits, starting really slow and then going faster, then really slow and then really fast, a few times during the hit. I've found this to work fairly well, but not as well as just hitting it slow. I think i kinda hit at a consistently slow speed and just vary the speed that i work/rotate the bowl according to whether i'm getting vapor or not.

    *edit*

    def agree with luchiano's suggestion at getting a bubbler or a tiny tube to give you a visual indicator of when you're getting vapor and when you're not, because sometimes its hard to tell with vapor because its so smooth. it also adds some drag to help slow you down even more, if youre one of those ppl who have trouble with that. Not to mention it makes things even smoother and nicer and catches any bits that get sucked through
     
  16. luchiano

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    I tried this way and it seems to be the best to me but I think it will only work on heating elements that can't hold temperature and drop if you inhale hard and fast because if it does it may burn your herb which I've seen happen if the temperature is high in other vaporizers. If you have one like that I think going ultra slow to extract the vapor and then taking the whip away from the heating element then inhale hard and fast is a good way to prevent burning.

    The only thing that is different is I inhale ultra slow like I previously described not like from a straw but once I extracted the chemicals I inhaled ultra fast to force air into my lungs deep. The fresh air will help push the vapor down while still not diluting vapor too much because the temperature drop made it too cool to extract more vapor and being that the whip has low surface area the vapor is forced to go deep into my lungs instead of expand a lot and dilute the vapor. From there on you hold and continue doing the rest I posted preciously.

    So you have a better way than I did you just may need to go slower at first to get more vapor and inhale fast to go deep into the lungs and also fill the lungs up which will bring more blood flow to the lungs which means more absorption.
     
  17. saeton

    saeton Well-Known Member

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    Okay, about to 'give it a go'. I'm using an Extreme Q also as a side note. I got so high the first few times, and now it seems like I only get a little silly and eventually tired, almost no matter what strain I use (I have like 5 on me). Also, starting the temp way higher (225-230 Celsius) last night only made me sleepy, I got a tiny bit high feeling right after the first few inhales and again about 20 minutes later for a bit, but then I just got extremely tired too early.

    The thing that gets me is that whatever I did at first seemed to work so naturally, and now I'm just overthinking it or something like that. I'll get bits and pieces of the high feeling but none of that 'Oh, shit, I am high now' realization or feeling.

    Thanks for the ongoing information/education/and support, guys.
     
  18. saeton

    saeton Well-Known Member

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    Okay I'm certainly feeling something. I just took a drink of water, then relaxed, then emptied the air chamber (lungs) and just let the vapor come in as slow as can be at 175 celsius. held it, breathed in with the nose, swallowed it, and took a faster deep breath to push down that vapor goodness.

    feeling something although not too intense, going to keep going this way for a bit i think
     
  19. luchiano

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    I think you want to raise the temperature to between 195-207 Celsius if you want to get high for real. 175f is too low to really feel the THC.

    If you raise it to these temperatures and do the ultra slow then fast method you should really feel the high you want.
     
  20. StonedForever

    StonedForever No life you say?

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    step 1 let eq pre heat fan on temp 420
    step 2 load bowl in elbow!
    step 3 exhale put whip in mouth put fan on 3 slowly draw or if you can just let the fan fill your lungs..
    step 4 die from coughing.
    PS step 1 may be to intense for those that medicate and dont want some toxins. lower temp but keep the same process..
     
  21. Negativebeef

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    Where did you get that visible vapor is wasted vapor?
     
  22. RUDE BOY

    RUDE BOY Space is the Place

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    @Negativebeef. If you blow out a giant cloud of vapor your lungs can't absorb all the goodies and they are lost when you exhale, if you take 3 smaller hits as opposed to that one giant one your lungs can process the cannabinoids much more efficiently.
     
  23. Negativebeef

    Negativebeef New Member

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    Possible but you have to realize that when you vape, chemicals other than thc are also being vaporized. I would like to see some actual studies on this but I don't think there are any.
     

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