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Best E Nail Currently Availiable

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Chill Dude, Jun 29, 2014.

  1. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    Hey FC,

    I want to buy a quality E Nail as my primary Dab device. I use my Herbalizer for concentrates right now and it works great, but the only problem is it turns out to be a 12 minute session with numerous hits to get full extraction. I hear the E Nano is also a good choice for vape dabs as it can reach temps in the 450F range like the Herbalizer. I think the EVO Cloud also does well with the new VXN glass tubes (although some say the process is quite messy and the tubes are hard to clean). Also, these devices at the lower temps are still melting your dab vs boiling and completely evaporating your dab at higher temperatures. (The true Dab hit)..,

    So what else is there? Well, there's the cheaper vape pens like the VB Dabbler and the Up Tech OPHOS and Omicron Lite. I've used them all and they do work fairly well as far as LAYG devices. However, they are a little hard to clean, the coils break easily, and if you're not careful on the button you can defiantly burn your oil and get that ass taste.

    What else? There's the high end portable oil Vapes like Cera and Up Tech's Persei. IMO, the problem with those (especially the Persei) is thera are a lot if parts and attachments, new fixes and add ons seem to come out on a monthly basis, and the learning curve is pretty steep. Way too complicated for me. That said, the Persei is a good product supported by the ever present owner on the Persei thread , but IMO too complicated. In fact, when I view that thread there are so many parts and accessories that I don't even know what those guys are talking about. Additionally, these type of devices are geared more toward the multiple session per day oil users. I don't need the portability and my concentrate useage is usually only a gram or two a month. So the Persei is out....

    So what's left? There's the Subliminator which works quit well and has many fans, but again too many parts too complicated.

    How about just a simple oil rig and torch? Really not my thing as I have kids and discretion is a priority. I can't be running around the house with a torch all the time lol....

    So I guess what I'm most interested with right now are the E Nails. Actually the VB2 from Vapor Brothers looks like it performs very well and is easy to clean and maintain. The downside is it's pretty costly at $725. Now, the VB2 heats up to 700F to 950F. I guess the reason I'm hesitant is the VB2 thread has not got much play. In fact, there's probably only like five or six guys on the thread that actually have the unit. The good news is uncle Vito gives the VB2 a big thumbs up and I respect his opinion. The way I understand the VB2 is that your dab won't burn or taste like ass even at those high temperatures due to the "Leideninfrost Effect". Vapor Brothers explains it like this "the Dab bounces of the surface and boils away without melting into the surface therefore no burnt taste or combustion just clean vapor".

    Are there any other quality E Nails out there that can compete with VB2?

    I mean I'm pretty happy using concentrates at 445F in my Herbalizer with the SS concentrate pad, but like I said, because of the lower heat it takes a good 10 to 12 minutes and numerous hits for full extraction. I use to think that if temps are in the 700F to 900F range you'd be smoking, but the Leidinfrost Efffect explains how you can be at the high temperatures and produce only thick and tasty vapor NO combustion! I'm looking for the true dab slap you in The face effect where you can do two monster dab hits and you're done!!

    Sorry for the long post. I'm just trying to figure all this shit out. Any comments or advice from FC is much appreciated......
     
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  2. Been Vapin

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  3. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the reply Been Vapin, but I've heard the VXN for oils can be messy and those glass tubes get pretty gunked up and are hard to clean. Also I imagine the temperature is relatively low maybe 450F similar to the Hrbalizer that I already use. I'm looking for the REAL DAB EXPERIENCE, but without the torch.
     
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  4. herbivore21

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    Dude, we are about to have an enail from w9tech that will get to exactly the heat you need (650-850f), it is all glass/quartz and fits 18mm m and 18mm f so far in the current test version from what has been posted on FC. It looks like it will be out in the next few months. Obviously, wait and check out the videos/pics/reviews of the test models and final release over in the thread and decide for yourself if it will suit :)
     
  5. Aaron

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    What's your budget? Since you only smoke a gram or 2 a month, I would suggest a analog enail for $150-200 (either d-nail or domeless) or Da Buddha oil kit (haven't personally tried it but seen good reviews).
     
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  6. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    That's good to know herbivore21. I'll have to check it out on that thread. I wonder how it will compare to the VB2? I'd also be interested in the price point, but since the W9tech E Nail is still in the prototype phase I doubt any price has been given to us.

    I'm excited about this E Nail stuff. It could be the best way to dab in the near future!!
     
  7. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Aaron, I don't know much about analog e nails. Is there a thread for those?

    Even though I only dab a gram or two a month, I still want a top of the line device and I don't mind paying a premium price for a superior E Nail. I want quality build, safe materials, great pure taste (not burnt ass), simple to use (not to many parts), low maintenance and superior performance. Is that too much to ask? IDK...
     
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  8. green2brown

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    I bought my VB2 a few months ago. I barely touch any of my other vaporizers anymore. I used to run around 5 bowls through the Herbalizer every day plus I'd dab with a torch and nail on top of that. Now I hit Herbie once a day and every other session I use the VB2. My EVO meanwhile is collecting dust.

    I will say my tolerance has gone through the roof since getting the VB2 though. It's just too damn easy :D

    Plus the customer service you get from Vaporbrothers is some of the best CS I've ever experienced.
     
  9. herbivore21

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    The VB2 and the upcoming w9 enail are very different beasts, but from my reading here, the VB2 is a stellar product with enough happy users around here to be able to take to the bank ;)
     
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  10. Chill Dude

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    Green2brown, Good to hear you're loving your VB2. I'm defiantly leaning toward the VB2 at this point. I've only had Herbie a couple of weeks, but I basically use it exclusively now. I do use the concentrate pad for dabs and it does work well, but you're talking 10 minutes or so and numerous hits for full extraction.. It's more of a leisurely pace. With the VB2 I'll be able to take a couple lung busting, face melting dab hits and be done...fully medicated. I like that! For me the VB2 will serve as my late night session and Herbie will be on duty for any other sessions. Herbie is hands down the best flower vape I've ever had! So a couple questions:

    1) is the taste always good? Do you ever feel you've burnt the oil and it tastes like shit?
    2) is it easy to maintain and clean? It looks like it would be because your dab basically disappears in the ceramic plate.
    3) is it easy to hook up to water tools?
    4) how would you compare the VB2 hit compared to a regular oil rig and torch set up?

    Any advice would be much appreciated....
     
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  11. Aaron

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    Well if price really isn't an issue, I would say you should go with either a digital unit from d-nail.com or Humboldtenail . Great for low temp dabs and really easy to use. It's pretty much a plug n play set up so you could use them on a bunch of different rigs (assuming you have a universal infiniti nail OR different adapters). Check out the humboldtenail if want one that's really small. I think its currently the smallest enail out (besides their new nano for $710)

    Here's a link from reddit with a bunch of other companies you can check out - http://www.reddit.com/r/enail/comments/20tqbu/list_of_electric_nail_companies/

    Edit: Link to e-nail thread on FC- http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/next-generation-e-nails.11713/
     
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  12. SamuraiSam

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    To the Original Poster, IMHO you asked what the best e-nail available is, and then listed a ton of different things, none of which are e-nails, most of which are pen vaporizers, and besides the VB2, will not deliver a "dab" type hit (whether you're comparing to a nail or skillet).

    The VB2 is sure capable of doing what you asked but there are actual e-nails that can provide hits exactly like a "thing" heated with a torch, except you are using electricity instead of a torch. The D-Nail I've used and works well, the Sublimator which is available with a Nail option (or the Dabmaster) and the upcoming Up Tech nail which I have high hopes for.
     
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  13. Chill Dude

    Chill Dude Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the reply SamuraiSam, the reason I mentioned all of those vaporizers and pens was to point out what a lot of people have used (including myself) for concentrate and what their various shortcomings were IMO. I never stated that they were E Nails lol. I don't want to get caught up in terminology here. You're right, I herby revise my Ask FC Question... What is the best DEVICE for concentrates?

    As to the VB2. Yes, you are correct it's not an E Nail. It is a device that converts solid dabs into vapor at high temperatures. The primary difference is that there is no metal in contact with your dab. Why won't the VB2 deliver a dab like hit? Many people on this forum have stated the VB2 does in fact produce a great tasting superior dab like hit. Have you ever used the VB2?

    The D Nail you and Aaron mentioned sounds interesting. The problem is their website doesn't go into any detail on the benefit of their product or even how it works. Do you know how I can find out more or where I can find reviews of the D Nail?

    As to the Subliminator, I've heard that it performs very well. The problem I have with it is there are too many parts creating a level of complexity and time consumption that I don't want to deal with. It's like building a dab device out of metal and glass Legos....

    As to the Up Tech nail, it's only in the prototype phase right now and no one knows about it's performance or reliability at this point. It looks interesting though...

    So I guess my question to you is.... What Is the difference between a device like the VB2 and a quality E Nail like the D Nail? They are both high heat devices. The VB2 uses a ceramic plate vs a Nail. What would be the difference in the hit quality and taste between the two? IDK

    Has anyone used both the VB2 and a high end E Nail? How do they compare? Feel free to chime in if you have an opinion...
     
  14. green2brown

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    1. Taste is always good on the medium setting. It can get smoky on the high setting though (which I only use to clean the ceramic insert). Stick to medium and you're golden.

    2. Maintenance is a piece of a cake. 5-10 minutes tops. Wipe up what you can with ISO and scrape off the rest with a razor blade (yes the VB2 is THAT durable).

    3. Yes. The VB2 comes with some tubing which attaches to the dome. Just attach the other end of the tubing to a glass adapter and you're good to go!

    4. Better. Much better. The VB2 hits just as hard as a torch and nail, maybe even harder due to better efficiency. More importantly on the health side of things, the VB2 hits are much cleaner tasting and the high feels cleaner as well.
     
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  15. Chill Dude

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    Thanks green2brown,

    Low maintenance, easy to use, Vaporbrothers customer service and nice clean hits. What's not to like? Sounds like a winner, I'm defiantly leaning toward the VB2 at this point.

    If I added the VB2 to my collection I'd be totally set: Herbalizer for flowers and hash, VB2 quality concentrate, Solo flowers on the go, VB Dabbler on the go concentrates.

    Btw, what type of glass set up are you using with your VB2? That Möbius Atom mini bubbler has caught my attention. I think it would pair well with the VB2.
     
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  16. Aaron

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    A D-nail is pretty much a replacement for a torch, using electricity instead of butane. Check out this old thread for some usage videos - http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/d-nail-thread.11283/page-2 . You can also search up D-nail 2.0 on youtube for a few others. Some benefits - 1.) You can fully dial in the temperatures within a few degrees, 2.) Many nail options - Quartz, Ceramic, Titanium 3.) Remote start on the digitals, 4.) GREAT customer service w/ 3 year warranty and a free heater coil replacement 5.) Really easy to fix even when warranty is up.
     
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  17. GSH

    GSH On a Möbius plane

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    Unlike the look of the ones at www.errlectric.com

    Not used one myself though, but they have an IG feed with some nice pics etc.

    I have a Dab Pad from www.domeless.com and it works really well for an analog unit :)
     
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  18. vaporbrothers

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    (repost with a more accessible video)

    to help this conversation with regards to the vb2 here is 15 seconds from this past weekend at DFO Eugene :)

     
  19. Bouldorado

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    My friend bought a VB2 recently and I have to say I'm thoroughly impressed. Prior to trying it, I didn't think I'd like the tubing (still not a huge fan of it) but even with resin-coated tubing, the taste is incredible. Definitely better than my Hive domeless ceramic + IR gun + carb cap...
     
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  20. SamuraiSam

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    My apologies. My intent is to help, not have a semantics argument. :) I personally don't find the Hercules very difficult to assemble and maintain, and the Persei + SR74 + Nibbler XL is by far my favorite device for concentrates. It's a portable bubbler that delivers dab-like(or greater, if you hold the button longer) thick hits of vapor. It has a storage capacity of 10-20 of these Herculean rips and the flavor is on par or better than the tastiest quartz and ceramic nails I have had the fortune of using. So it is not an E-nail but a portable Vaporizer. A VB2 is a vaporizer, not an e-nail but it can also deliver a greater-than-dab sized hit. The quartz nails I use aren't amazing heat sinks so the size of your hit is limited. Huge titanium nails you think would be an awesome heat sink, but they fall off heat when you cool them to the optimum flavor heat range just like any other "Plain" nail. With the two vaporizers mentioned, as well as a high quality e-nail (like a D nail), you can theoretically increase the size of the hit to infinity as the heater unit is high quality enough to just keep producing vapor, in the case of the electronic nail you need a feedback circuit that regulates voltage to maintain a good temperature but not exceed it, even when responding to a sudden drop of temp (when the oil is applied and you start to rip). If it can maintain this temp under free-air and heavy draw, that's what we want .... This is way beyond my lungs capabilities, but does say something about the quality of all those devices.

    I haven't had the fortune, those are a rarity right now... I hope I get to! I'm sure it's awesome I certainly didn't mean to badmouth it at all. I've used the Vapor Brothers original box vape., quite a bit- to this day it's still the best box+whip I've used.

    Sure, The product is a box that regulates voltage- you can have an analog dial or a fancy lcd screen with buttons - and a wire that goes out to a coil. They are now built with a nice XLR connector and a really flexy wire with a nice sheath. The coil, there's tons of options, basically it has resistance and it heats up, and it surrounds a nail. You can use a Highly Educated Infiniti, or some specific nails designed for coils, if you're going huge you can opt for a quartz nail (they're super spendy for e-nails). I like to set it to a fairly low temperature, apply the concentrate to where it's not really vaping - then you use a carb cap and hit it, and it vaporizes at a really nice temp for optimal flavor.

    Here's a youtube video that highlights some of the e-nail basics:

    Not quite sure whatcha mean, but I've never used one myself, either. You can put one on a regular water piece, if you like, instead of their tube. It has a fancy chamber, but it's similar to an e-nail in concept. Control box (they call it a monkey paw), wire, heater+bowlpiece combo(either the Dabmaster or Enail, water piece.

    The VB2 is neat but is a dedicated table top device. I'm sure the VB2 performs in ways I can't fathom. An electronic nail is like any other in that it is nearly universal- well, as long as your piece can use adapters from 14 to 18, or you get a different sizenail. I prefer a glass on glass air path and like being able to use one e nail for a bunch of different pieces. The flexibility and length of the d nails cord lets you easily pick up your glass from the table, bring it 3 or 4 feet up to your lips, with full mobility- set it back down without worrying about knocking your glasses of beer over, etc. The VB2 requires silicone tubing to connect to a piece, and silicone tubing is slightly more unwieldly than an e-nail's cable. is designed to be put on a piece. I probably can't give you a fair comparison because I've only used D nails and not the VB2 to compare to. I prefer a glass on glass air path and like being able to use one e nail for a bunch of different pieces.
     
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    I guess I really don't understand how to respond to multiple quotes..lol
     

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