I agree 100%. I have the: Zephyr Ion Herbalaire Herbalizer Super Silver Surfer Vapir One Vapir Rise Vivape Extreme Q Volcano I love each, and each has a place in my rotation.... but I do not use all with bags. For bags, the Volcano still outdoes them all. Faster....Thicker Vapor.... and better experience. Remember... we are talking about "Balloon Vaporizers" here!