AtmosRaw
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southernboy171
Member
I was about to pass out and i forgot i promised a video today, It's pretty awesome. looking forward to show it off tomorrow . Not one thing to complain about yet.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
That is looking good. I imagine if you are careful with how you draw and how long you heat it, you are less likely to scorch your bud. I am liking what I am seeing... 
PB88123
Vaporist
Someone asked if this is convection.
I've read in this thread, "the bowl is like a soup bowl , meaning no holes for your herbs to fall through to the heater."
For convection the outside air is driven inside over a heating element. That heats the air which then passes directly through the herb in the bowl. It will vaporize your herb with a cold or sub-vaporization temperature bowl.
If the AR has no holes in the bowl for your herb to fall through then there is no air coming in from the bottom of the bowl to heat the herb. That means the bowl needs to get to vaporization temperature to heat the herb.
Conduction = the bowl needs to get to vaporization temperature
Convection = air that is heated up and passes directly through the herb
If I understand this correctly, the AR is conduction. Conduction means longer battery power and convection means shorter battery life.
I've read in this thread, "the bowl is like a soup bowl , meaning no holes for your herbs to fall through to the heater."
For convection the outside air is driven inside over a heating element. That heats the air which then passes directly through the herb in the bowl. It will vaporize your herb with a cold or sub-vaporization temperature bowl.
If the AR has no holes in the bowl for your herb to fall through then there is no air coming in from the bottom of the bowl to heat the herb. That means the bowl needs to get to vaporization temperature to heat the herb.
Conduction = the bowl needs to get to vaporization temperature
Convection = air that is heated up and passes directly through the herb
If I understand this correctly, the AR is conduction. Conduction means longer battery power and convection means shorter battery life.
Albert Hofmann
Convicted vapist
Yo southernboy171, thanx for taking one for the team! This thing just looks fantastic, I guess the things I'm most curious about in regards to this vape are
A: about how long does a battery charge last?
B: are you actually reaching the point of combustion with it? Is your ABV coming out burned after those thicker hits?
A: about how long does a battery charge last?
B: are you actually reaching the point of combustion with it? Is your ABV coming out burned after those thicker hits?
jack.petersons
Member
Well, I understand, that some of you guys prefer a vaporizer with combustion. But for me personally, a proper vaporizer means absolutely no combustion. I want a guarantee from a vaporizer manufacturer, that there will be no smoke in any circumstances. That's why I chose the Volcano Digit, Arizer Extreme, Arizer Solo and the Iolite.. My only dream left was an e-cig style vaporizer, but as I said, in my opinion this is not a real vaporizer. 
VaporBoxed
Baked
jack.petersons said:My only dream left was an e-cig style vaporizer, but as I said, in my opinion this is not real vaporizer.
This is not a real vaporizer. You right
Abysmal Vapor
Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
For example my underdog fogs even denser with 0.05 load leaving nothing but golden abv. 
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Stone__Man
Well-Known Member
I very much enjoyed both videos shared. thank you both
southernboy171 could easily answer the question about the bowl. As I'm not quite clear. and that is the bad thing, about when people posted "what we were told on the phone" it can get a bit distorted. the info I posted in orange a page of 2 back is from the rep, the bowl then , and still, I can't quite wrap my head around, the heated air HAS to be drawn through the bowl.
as far as combusting, I will assume the 9 second shut off, was put in place to help you NOT combust. simple logic should lead anyone to that end.
and if I can get to that point in 9 secs. , that is faster than similar products no? that makes me feel good, and when I'm really ripped and vaping it up with my friends, I don't have to worry about them fucking it up as the 9 sec run is all u get at one whack. and if the vids are any evidence it seems u can get PLENTY vapor in a very short time.
and speaking of partying with friends. someone ask about the battery. so I will give that same info from rep here
please southerboy, if you would, take a close pic of the bowl and/or inform us of position of hole/holes, that air has got to be passing through, or it'd be like trying to suck a Wendy's frosty through a straw
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how about bowl depth? I'm guessing 5/8" to 1 1/8" in depth, based on the length of that spring via me eagle eye 
this is peculiar really, I have the same "want to like it" feelings I have for the TV, but as I've read, gathered, and analyzed, the AtmosRAW is more appealing to me at this point. why?
IT TROUNCES the TV in (claimed) battery life, (a shot of whiskey compared to a keg of beer comes to mind ) lets see do I want to charge my battery every week , or after every single bowl ? it's not even remotely close. a no brainer. Battery life and warranty are right up at the top of my list in what I consider very important in my purchase decision and to my intended use. builds consumer confidence that I am spending my money wisely, getting the most for my money. the AtmosRAW again has what I feel to be clearly better warranty. AtmosRAW every part covered for 3 years, the TV, all the parts that do nothing , lifetime warranty, and the "heater" for only 3 months. 3 years, 3 months? easy call on who tops that category as well, the AtmosRAW.
I as a consumer, considering the purchase of TWO brand new to market (HIGH DOLLAR to my wallet) vapes, feel much more confident in a maker who actually stands behind their product, as is evidenced by their CONSUMER FRIENDLY warranty, of 3 years. THIS is the kind of stuff that builds consumer confidence in me, 3 months does not.
I found this info in the technology section of site quite interesting :
someone mentioned not seeing that the AR is made in the USA. now this is an odd one
and this is odd , cause I know I have read that info on their site, perhaps this info is in this "flip book" manual that was on their site, but I'll be damned if I can find it right now. perhaps they are now getting around to updating their site? I KNOW it was there and now its not. so something is going on, and it makes me wonder.
Stone__Man out
southernboy171 could easily answer the question about the bowl. As I'm not quite clear. and that is the bad thing, about when people posted "what we were told on the phone" it can get a bit distorted. the info I posted in orange a page of 2 back is from the rep, the bowl then , and still, I can't quite wrap my head around, the heated air HAS to be drawn through the bowl.
as far as combusting, I will assume the 9 second shut off, was put in place to help you NOT combust. simple logic should lead anyone to that end.
and if I can get to that point in 9 secs. , that is faster than similar products no? that makes me feel good, and when I'm really ripped and vaping it up with my friends, I don't have to worry about them fucking it up as the 9 sec run is all u get at one whack. and if the vids are any evidence it seems u can get PLENTY vapor in a very short time.
and speaking of partying with friends. someone ask about the battery. so I will give that same info from rep here
EDIT: As, promised, I just spoke to AR rep today and I can clear up, a few questions that were in my mind and i know minds of others.
so
1. the COMPLETE UNIT is covered for THREE Years. *including the heating chamber (SWEET)
2. the "bowl" is ceramic and I did recall correctly, the bowl is like a soup bowl , meaning no holes for your herbs to fall through to the heater. me likey dis
3. Charged battery should last 7 to 10 days, at @ 8 to 10 hits a day, or 70 to 80 hits on one charge. (double SWEET) *this is the type of battery life ALL portables should have.
4. it is a CONVECTION vape.
VaporNinja ^^^^^
I'm more excited now then ever before!
as warranty and usage per battery charge are BIG determining factors , and in these area's things are looking very good
please southerboy, if you would, take a close pic of the bowl and/or inform us of position of hole/holes, that air has got to be passing through, or it'd be like trying to suck a Wendy's frosty through a straw
. how about bowl depth? I'm guessing 5/8" to 1 1/8" in depth, based on the length of that spring via me eagle eye
this is peculiar really, I have the same "want to like it" feelings I have for the TV, but as I've read, gathered, and analyzed, the AtmosRAW is more appealing to me at this point. why?
IT TROUNCES the TV in (claimed) battery life, (a shot of whiskey compared to a keg of beer comes to mind
) lets see do I want to charge my battery every week , or after every single bowl ? it's not even remotely close. a no brainer. Battery life and warranty are right up at the top of my list in what I consider very important in my purchase decision and to my intended use. builds consumer confidence that I am spending my money wisely, getting the most for my money. the AtmosRAW again has what I feel to be clearly better warranty. AtmosRAW every part covered for 3 years, the TV, all the parts that do nothing , lifetime warranty, and the "heater" for only 3 months. 3 years, 3 months? easy call on who tops that category as well, the AtmosRAW.I as a consumer, considering the purchase of TWO brand new to market (HIGH DOLLAR to my wallet) vapes, feel much more confident in a maker who actually stands behind their product, as is evidenced by their CONSUMER FRIENDLY warranty, of 3 years. THIS is the kind of stuff that builds consumer confidence in me, 3 months does not.
I found this info in the technology section of site quite interesting :
interesting because its VERY similar to what the TV folks say about their "heater"
someone mentioned not seeing that the AR is made in the USA. now this is an odd one
and this is odd , cause I know I have read that info on their site, perhaps this info is in this "flip book" manual that was on their site, but I'll be damned if I can find it right now. perhaps they are now getting around to updating their site? I KNOW it was there and now its not. so something is going on, and it makes me wonder. Stone__Man out
2clicker
Observer
this thing looks great! functionally and esthetically.
my concerns are battery life, cleaning, and stirring/shaking to get an even extraction. would be good to have some MFR presence in here...
EDIT* i just sent an email to the MFR to let them know of this thread and asked them to join us.
my concerns are battery life, cleaning, and stirring/shaking to get an even extraction. would be good to have some MFR presence in here...
EDIT* i just sent an email to the MFR to let them know of this thread and asked them to join us.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
Is anyone else getting one of these? I would love to see more testimony on how it performs before I dive in.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
fighting my impulse to just buy one, as excited as I am, I still want to see a little more review. My CC is calling out to me, go on...get it, you can pay for it later.... trying to make informed choices here, but I really want to put one of these in my hands. Not sure my man would be happy with me spending $200 on another vape, kindof holds me back too... after dropping about $100 just to mess around with another product... it's torture I tell ya!
SD_haze
Well-Known Member
Them claiming its a convection vape I feel is misleading.
If there's no holes there's no hot air being passed, so its heating via conduction just like the iolite.
How they CAN claim it is convection, is the same way you could say the iolite is too.
Simply put, if you are inhaling on conductively heated bowl of herb, you are CREATING convection from your lungs. However, this is a huge difference between the flavor and efficiency of this method versus a real convection heating where the vape itself is producing hot moving air.
Now, if there IS hot air being produced actively by the vape and just not through holes, then I take that all back, but I don't see how thats possible?
If there's no holes there's no hot air being passed, so its heating via conduction just like the iolite.
How they CAN claim it is convection, is the same way you could say the iolite is too.
Simply put, if you are inhaling on conductively heated bowl of herb, you are CREATING convection from your lungs. However, this is a huge difference between the flavor and efficiency of this method versus a real convection heating where the vape itself is producing hot moving air.
Now, if there IS hot air being produced actively by the vape and just not through holes, then I take that all back, but I don't see how thats possible?
jambandphan03
in flavor country
I saw an air vent hole on one side of the unit in one of the photos on FB https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003314410429
VaporNinja
Well-Known Member
i think it's more of conduction and radiation, works just like the iolite does, except it's powered by battery.
jambandphan03
in flavor country
I am wondering how durable the finish is on the blue/black model. Will it scratch up easy, or will it take a beating before it shows signs of wearing off.
Alright, dammit! I bought one. Convection, conduction its all the same to me. If I can take
this little fella out in the woods for 3-4 days without any butane or batteries, then its worth
the money for the portability. I will submit my reviews as soon as it gets here. Can't wait to
put it up against the Stealth which will be along shortly.....Stand by for the slightly used
vaporizer sale.......
this little fella out in the woods for 3-4 days without any butane or batteries, then its worth
the money for the portability. I will submit my reviews as soon as it gets here. Can't wait to
put it up against the Stealth which will be along shortly.....Stand by for the slightly used
vaporizer sale.......
jambandphan03
in flavor country
Either I am a complete sucker, or I will be a happy vaper in a few days, ordered one, 2nd day air delivery. Hope it is worth it!
OF
Well-Known Member
SD_haze said:
Ah, yes, but you see, the Iolite IS a conduction vape, at least partially. Air comes in at the top of the aluminum well (the one with the pin) the bowl goes into. Then down one of the 11 (?) channels between the wall of the well and the SS bowl. Thereafter the heated air is pulled back up through the load. Without the air being pulled through it stalls out. A small part is in contact with the walls, for sure it's convection that vapes the 90% that doesn't, remember you generally don't stir the Iolite. Like the HA.
OF