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Arizer Solo II

Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by bluenavey00, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Can you please show me how the electronics is part of "other unsafe elements"? In what way, specifically, is this unsafe? How is it the electronics in my computer are safe, like my TV (both near by) are OK and yet those very same parts mysteriously become deadly in a vape?

    TIA

    Let us be very cautious of real threats for sure, but 'crying wolf' for demonstrably safe features is 'going the wrong way' IMO. Save the Silver Bullets, make 'em count.

    At least we agree, the 'Vape Gestapo' is a bad idea. It's the sort of thing 'the other side' would propose?

    As an alternative, how about an independent group, like Underwriters Labs say, or Consumer Reports, to test available models against established standards and publish it for our guidance? We could even come up with a 'bug' like the UL label they could voluntarily post...... Have makers show they meet established standards (after such exist....) for the PR value. Sort of like a AARP endorsement?

    Anything to make purchasing and use decisions more informed.

    OF
     
  2. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    I feel directly inhaling hot ass air in the situation of a vaporizer is....a much different situation compared to air borne elements like a PC or other electronic things off gassing. But yes I totally agree that something like a UL or other credentials would be nice. I am not advocating for any exposure of industry patents on devices, just would be good to know if it is medical grade....or if not how far from it.

    I guess a a newer convert to leaving the flames behind.....I just assumed this would be more apparent within this industry because of what you are doing with them to your body.
     
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  3. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    There are vaporizers out there that are medical grade certified. There's the Volcano, the MiniVap and there is a model of the Mighty thats medical grade. I'm off topic this isn't the thread for it.

    I have no problems with my Solo 2 causing me any health worries. Im a satisfied customer. There is no problems asking questions. If you have any email Arizer. They are very good about answering and getting back to a potential customer and customers.

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    Also plenty of vaporizer that don't use any plastic such as log vapes some portables made of wood and uses glass stems. You have a lot of options out there.
     
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  4. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    But, if the evil 'electronic vapors' are present in the room from such sources and are then drawn into the vape and heated....... ZERO difference! No practical difference between the PCB in the vape inches away from the intake and the computer or cell phone a bit further off. The non existent vapors are still let into the vape, heated and sucked into the waiting owner's lungs? Since such vapors don't exist, it really doesn't matter except that guys 'warning us' about this are scaring others. Crying wolf. Speaking authoritatively about threats that aren't real by objective measure. Discouraging potential owners.

    Unfortunately this is an emotional issue (go figure) and often becomes fodder for 'my dog (or vape) is better than yours because....' for owners (not so big a deal?). However it's also a popular way for makers to trash each others products (again, par for the course).

    I'm very big on defining and avoiding legitimate risks, here and in life in general. When I was working I was Safety Rep for my department (25 or so employees and visitors). Among other sins. I was taught a formal way of dealing with threats (some of which were very severe, we had lots of nasty, even explosive, stuff in the workplace and lots of random (untrained) visitors). Including radiation, electrical exposure, pressurized gasses, toxics of many types and other extra challenges. And my personal favorite, HF (Hydrafloric Acid) which quietly eats through your skin to destroy the bones under it without any sensation to the victim. Truly nasty stuff, much more dangerous than the sort of acids the Brits throw on people they don't like. The base of such things is understanding the nature and extent of the real threat and dealing with it accordingly. That training/attitude has carried over you see? Water can be toxic, as can CO2, in the wrong situations. A few ounces of Ethanol in a squirt bottle is a fire hazard, but nothing like say Hydrogen gas. Give due caution to the first, but watch the latter like your life depended on it......'cuz it does. As do the lives of those around you. Define the risk and mitigate it. But don't waste time and bandwidth on trivial (especially non existent) ones. Stay focused on the real threats.

    At least that's my advice, free and worth every penny.

    OF
     
  5. dontmindme

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    My only worry would be with a water piece and the flow back as water settles pushing hot air in reverse to the electrical wiring and such.

    With the solo2 and air2, is the air path exposed to the circuitry? Where is the air intake on the arizer air? Seems like the solo 2 has its intake on the other side of the screen...
     
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  6. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    With a small WT, there's not much volume in the 'blow back' and only a fraction of it will go down (or up if inverted), most should go out the vent? For sure not enough heat to worry the electronics.

    A common trouble shooting technique is to take a 'heat gun' (hot air, hotter than Solo) and blast components to find thermal issues. Alternatively, you an hold your soldering iron on the case of the part (700F typically) for several seconds to heat the 'die' inside. I've never damaged a good part this way, nor do I know anyone 'heavy handed' enough to have done so. A LOT of intermittent PCBs have been fixed this way, by a guy with hot in one hand and freeze spray in the other going down the line without even knowing what the real circuit is.

    Nobody knows about Air II (of course), perhaps when guys get them and report. As discussed here earlier on Solo II is not sealed, air comes in several ways past the electronics (I think we counted five?), not that that really matters in the end. But, despite what folks want, or may be told, Solo II is not isolated. I suspect because Arizer understands that's not important? If it was a real hazard I bet they'd fix it? Not to mention their competitors would love to crow about how much safer their units are......

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo-ii.23703/page-45#post-1128975

    OF
     
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  7. dontmindme

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    Well it is important to me to have a isolated air path and their advertising is misleading. Thank you.

    So the solo 2 and maybe the air 2 inverted could potentially have problems with heat rising?

    So if a battery were to vent it could raise into the heater and air path?
     
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  8. Stu

    Stu Maconheiro Staff Member

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    And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

    Some of all this speculation seems to border on the ridiculous, so let's please keep the windmill tilting to a minimum.

    Thank you.

    :peace:
     
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  9. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Classic sage comment from da man. Who can argue with suck logic?

    I used to work for a guy who had a slightly different version that's kind fun: "Balls, said the Queen......with only two more, I could be King".

    OF
     
  10. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    I am actually wondering/slightly worrying about the smell I get as my Air1 gets up to temp. It does have a smell from the heating element or oven area. That is the part I am very concerned about.

    After about 2 months of changing over to nothing but using my Air1 and Vapcap.....I have a bad throat soreness mostly when I use my Air. I only use it on the 2 lowest temps and always through water.
     
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  11. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Hard to say from here of course, but smells do happen. Two common sources are ABV and other debris in the heater area and vapor condensing in the case of (even momentary) 'back flow'.

    The first can often be improved, if not fixed, by blowing out as much as you can. Unscrew the cover (it can be stuck, but does unscrew) to get access. "Canned air" might be useful here, guys have reported good results using the straw to blow directly into the four ports in the oven bottom. It comes out the bottom where the wires are. Here's a photo of a genuine one next to a counterfeit with next to it:
    [​IMG]

    Backflow caused deposits respond to a run or two at maximum temperature with no stem, maybe blow into the bowl from time to time in that process. After such a 'burn off' smells at lower temperatures should be gone or much reduced.

    Good luck with it. Smells can be a problem since we all have different noses.

    OF
     
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  12. pxl_jockey

    pxl_jockey UnKnowItAll

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    @LabPong

    From your posts above, I gather you have the same sort of issue with Solo 2 and Air 2. I'm wondering why on earth you would come back for more Arizer products when you have personal health concerns about their construction? Arizer hasn't tried to pull the wool over anyone's eyes about the airpath on their devices. Because there's no problem with it. For the reasons OF states above.

    Please understand, I'm not trying to be a dick to you. But if you go back in this very thread to April-May, you'll see this faulty line of reasoning was fully explored and debunked. If you think that Air/Solo could/is harm you, don't use it and don't get another one.

    EDIT: was too harsh-sounding and I like @LabPong alot. Cool cat.
     
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  13. LabPong

    LabPong Well-Known Member

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    OF..... my unit stays super clean as it is only used upside down and i use screens. I am fairly sensitive with smells and tastes. The smell I am getting is from the heating.

    pxl_......no worries about emotions....your good. My interest in the Air2 is because I have no idea if the air path and construction (heating element/oven area) will be exact to the Air1? I would also like a much lesser draw resistance so I dont have to have such long draws (7 secs + or more)

    Guess I will have to wait until users report on the Air2 use.
     
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  14. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    If you always run inverted (over a WT) I think that really points to condensate from backflow? There's more or less constant backflow between hits, right? Vapor is going to rise up into the oven, even if the flow rate is very low it's still happening?

    I suggest a couple of full blast runs, right side up, top open. Chicken soup? "Can't hurt, might help".

    I would not put much stock in serious oven design changes with Air II. I wouldn't expect them to reinvent a winning design......not to mention triggering off a lot of sale killing chatter for Solo I and II until 'the new (better) design can be included in Solo III"?

    Still one can hope.

    OF
     
  15. DocH

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    I understand the point you're making on one level/I'm with you on not wanting to inhale funky materials in vapes but personally I think the vast majority of people should be much more concerned about their diet choices and all the disease/health issues such choices are causing over the long term if they really want something to be concerned about. Just a thought to keep things in perspective vs a vaporizer in the bigger picture.

    And given we are a market driven economy, as long as people don't care/don't ask/buy vaporizers that are made with any material in the book, makers will continue making products with any material in the book.
     
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  16. WildChild

    WildChild Seeking My Shangri-La

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    Just picked up a Mighty vaporizer recently and put my Solo 2 away for a week. I decided to fire it up today and realized again what a great unit this is.

    I've been using micro-doses (using a screen in the stem) as a rule but did a full stem this morning without the screen. Wow. Then I did one more an hour later...So nice, I vaped twice!

    Truly happy with my purchase. It's my 'go to' vape for a nice, relaxing session.

    On another note, to those in the Caribbean & US affected by the hurricanes, I send my best wishes.
     
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  17. AJS

    AJS Calm Consistency

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    Just take your adapter off when you clear. I do this with every single vape and it's a good habit to get into. Blowing your load all over your computer will teach self control .. uhh, wrong forum, I mean, will teach you to clear your glass with your adapter off. There we go.
     
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  18. Stu

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    Aaaaand to the out of context thread we go. :p

    :peace:
     
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  19. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Looks like the Solo 2 on FC has been relegated to the second page. I needed to fix that. I have my Solo out with some Blueberry Trainwreck. I think the stem is ready to convert to some nice oil for hot cocoa. Fall is almost here sad to say. I don't look forward to winter.

    An amazing taste in my Solo. The battery is still holding its own. I don't think it's degraded much over the last few months. I bought mine in June. Lately I've been using the smaller stem.
    [​IMG]
     
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  20. metaknight

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    Awesome to see people enjoy all of the Arizer products. Seeing the shape of the Solo II makes me reminisce in my Solo I days. I would love to have a chance to try the Solo II, sadly I'm looking to buy the Air II as my next daily driver. Maybe further down the road!
     
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  21. Little Bill

    Little Bill Oldest stoner on FC

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    @CarolKing I am using my ABV for smoothies or just in peanut butter spread on toast or waffles. How do you retrieve the oil from the stem? Do you just soak it in hot water and then add cocoa? I need to stop cleaning my stems.
     
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  22. CarolKing

    CarolKing Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur

    Hi @Little Bill I just make hot cocoa with some cream and stir the cocoa then soak the stem in the cocoa. Let the stem soak for a minute or 2. The oil melts and intermingles with the hot cocoa. Do this an hour or two before bed.:zzz: If you do this during the day plan on not having any commitments that require driving - just in case.;)
     
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  23. AJS

    AJS Calm Consistency

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    Finally someone else! Same here.

    I'm excited to try some stem milk too! It'll be my first time. The Solo 2 just keeps giving back :)
     
  24. sickmanfraud

    sickmanfraud Well-Known Member

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    I take all my vaporizer parts that have resin on them and soak the parts in ethanol. Then you can use the ethanol as the start of an AVB tincture.
     
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  25. Little Bill

    Little Bill Oldest stoner on FC

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    @CarolKing thanks for this simple method to recover resin. Just what I needed and a plus for Solo 2. :love:

    @sickmanfraud thanks for the suggestion; but you lost me at tincture. :myday:
     

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