Arizer Solo II

[OF]

can you show more of the dissasembly process? also how is the battery pack connected?
by solder or tabs or tamiya connector or what

Of course I could but don't want to. I could easily have taken more photos but I honestly don't want to encourage guys to mess with opening theirs up. Nothing to gain and almost certain to cause small 'damages'. And it would (and in my case did) damage the window area enough to instantly blow your warranty (they could easily see it had been opened and the old window put back). We'll see what happens when batteries start to wear out, but for now it's like the Ascent IMO.

I actually meant what I said in the post above........ My advice is to not pry out the window, and don't try disassembly without prying out the window?

The battery pack itself plugs in to a short cable, similar to Solo I. It might be the same connector (and polarity, remember Solo I is 'backwards' from Industry Standard) and the correct length to fit in Solo I (which won't take most aftermarket packs, the ones with PCBs on the end) and might make an interesting upgrade (even if the battery will then charge slower/longer)......giving 50% more sessions? I'll probably check that out when I open it again to tap into the power circuit and figure out how the heater works.

FWIW it seems very much like Solo I in power consumption. It does heat up very much faster (no doubt by pulling LOTS of power from the battery relative to the 2.5 Amps or so peak on Solo I) but you need an additional 'heat soak' to make decent vapor after that, at least I did. That makes sense, IMO, the heat is in the cup but still has to get conducted through the glass?

So I ran a total of 5 sessions at 390F, 'vaping hard' like I might on Solo I. This is using the original 10 minute sessions which I'm about to change to 12 for a while to match Solo I so a total of 50 minutes. It took 785mAh to recharge the battery back to the same point, about one third the usable capacity (remember there's a safety 'buffer reserve' the maker counts but Airzer doesn't use, the total available is not likely to be 3400mAh or even close to it with the Solo protection figured in. I often run Solo 4 sessions before recharging (since I only charge to about 85% anyway and don't want to get caught short). This would be four times 12 minutes, basically the same time as with Solo II. Typically this recharge is about 800mAh so in broad terms I think we have basically the same efficiency going on?

A confirmation, of sorts, comes from Arizer who says run time is about 3 hours total with Solo II under the terms Solo I does two hours, but the recharge times are basically the same (since Solo II is charging at a higher rate using it's special charger).

Regards to all.

OF

 

[travs]

so 2x 18650s for batteries and only 3400mAH? Seems like they could have used more powerful cells.

 

[stoneleopard]

so 2x 18650s for batteries and only 3400mAH? Seems like they could have used more powerful cells.

The cells are in series, to double the voltage rather than the amp hours. Both cells are high capacity 18650s

 

[lookhigh]

@OF will your charging gadget work for the solo2?
There would be more interest in it if the battery is not replaceable.

 

[OF]

so 2x 18650s for batteries and only 3400mAH? Seems like they could have used more powerful cells.

The cells are in series, to double the voltage rather than the amp hours. Both cells are high capacity 18650s

Exactly so, like the difference between 6 and 12 Volt cars (which had batteries about the same physical size since the total power delivered is the key. Read past the rest of the stuff on the battery pack to "24.4Wh" part, that's what counts, power (Watts) deliverable. If in parallel the two cells would make a 3.7 Volt pack with 6800mAh capacity, still 24.4 Watts of course.

AFAIK they have used the most powerful cells available for this duty, do you know of any more powerful? This is top of the line Panasonic stuff here..........

@OF will your charging gadget work for the solo2?
There would be more interest in it if the battery is not replaceable.

'Just like it was designed to'.....which of course it was (for the general case, remember it works for Air and lots of others reduced to 9 or 5 Volts). Interesting idea, Pipes and one other fellow were considering making them for sale but news of the impending Air killed that idea. That seems to have a potential new lease on life, my offer is still open: I've no interest in upsetting my retirement with a small business project to eat up my time, but would be happy to help someone interested in doing so going. It needs to be packaged up somehow (meaning a new PCB most likely), a key and potentially creative step (perhaps some wood enclosure, or something 3D printed?) that might 'fit the pistol' of some aspiring creative type?

As you can see from the photos of it, I tend to be a 'function over form' kinda guy, cosmetics are not important compared to doing the job.

But the short answer is 'yes, the Gadget works just fine with Solo II' (or at least did when I tested it one time) and lots of other vapes and Li-ion based things. Are you interested in building some on the kitchen table for the masses? Remember, that means mailing them out after testing......and taking people's money and all that stuff.

OF

 

[SilentRunner]

Dear VapoShop customer,

We have a quick update regarding the Arizer Solo II pre-order.
Due to unforeseen circumstances the arrival of the Solo II has been
delayed. The first shipment is scheduled to arrive between June 16 and
19. Once this shipment arrives, all outstanding pre-orders will be
shipped out at once. Our apologies for the delay.

As you have been waiting quite some time already, we'll include a box of
cleaning wipes to your order as a token of apology.

For any questions regarding this or any other matter, please feel free
to reach out to us at info@vaposhop.com.

Best regards,

VapoShop - Europe’s #1 Vaporizer Store

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[Stormsend]

Just curious but is there are reason this is not in stock at Vapornation? Are they usually this slow with their stock?

 

[OF]

Just curious but is there are reason this is not in stock at Vapornation? Are they usually this slow with their stock?

It's not just them. For instance, PIU (one of our most favorite Dealers.....) doesn't have them yet, but PV does (maybe because they're Canadian??). Notice the post just above yours........it's happening in Europe too it seems.

Also note in that post '...preorders...'? It seems many Dealers have been 'selling' (that is taking orders/money) for units they don't have in stock yet. You can hardly blame them for wanting to tie up potential customers early, but I think that is bad karma at several levels.

If you want/need one now you'll have to seek out Dealers with actual stock to ship.

OF

 

[Solosummers]

*Sweet Solo II Serenity*

 

[AJS]

Sat down with my lady friend to watch Birdcage from the mid 90s and packed myself up a fat GonG bowl with flat screen. Threw her on my micro bubbler, temp 330 ... mmm. Flavor so good.

Hits were insanely smooth up until about temp 390 towards the last quarter of the bowl, then it got kinda scratchy. Don't think it was necessarily the heat, but just being a pretty spent bowl.

Entire sesh lasted about 25 minutes and was such a chill experience, ended around 410.

I wish the mini bubbler stem had an elbow to it so I could hold it upright easier when couch lounging but it worked great with a slight slant either way.

Fun fun.

 

[jakeattack77]

So compare this to the air? The lack of replaceable battery concerns me
@OF the reason I'm asking about the disassembly is bc I wanted to see how feasible it would be to open it like after having it for a few years to replace batteries.
Also bc curious about air path, it looks mostly divided enough for me. At the very least no damage I see gonna occur from the heat

 

[VapoShop]

Also note in that post '...preorders...'? It seems many Dealers have been 'selling' (that is taking orders/money) for units they don't have in stock yet. You can hardly blame them for wanting to tie up potential customers early, but I think that is bad karma at several levels.

OF

I'd like to chime in on this. As a (European) retailer, we frequently run pre-orders for new models. While there is a risk of unexpected delays (for the customer) involved in this, a pre-sale also gives the customer the option to secure a unit and have it shipped out to them as soon as it arrives. I believe this is a service that many of our customers appreciate. Of course it is unfortunate when a manufacturer doesn't meet earlier indicated shipping/delivery dates, or when the manufacturer/distributor supplies other stores first.

Having said this, we aim to be as transparent about shipping times as possible, and customers can of course cancel their pre-order at any given time (and receive a refund). Given the ties we have with our distributor, we mostly only start pre-sales when we can assure that we are (amongst) the first in Europe to receive stock of a certain model - and when the order has been placed with the manufacturer.

Edit: not meaning to derail the topic here, feel free to move/delete if it is inappropriate!

 

[wwl]

new to vaping as a whole but I'm def not getting the technique down for my solo 2.


any tips on how to draw/grind/pack etc? also not sure how high I should get after one bowl, I have a fairly low tolerance but feel nothing from a bowl

 

[OF]

any tips on how to draw/grind/pack etc? also not sure how high I should get after one bowl, I have a fairly low tolerance but feel nothing from a bowl

First off, howdy, welcome to the Forums and all the fun. Great folks with experience to share you know.

And great choice on a first vape, looks like you did your research well.

You have two 'problems', new to vaping and new to this vape. The first absolutely must be 'fixed' before the second can happen. Right now how can you be sure you're not getting the full benefit of your efforts? That is you're not getting the THC delivered on schedule and you just don't perceive it?

I'll go out on the proverbial limb from the distance and state I think that's exactly what's happening. Solo is too good a machine to fail at this level. Grind, packing and so on won't keep it from doing it's job. It can effectively vape intact budlets after all? If it's going in green and coming out brown the good stuff came out in vapor. No other options.

You just didn't notice because it wasn't what you expected. A 'conditioned reflex', like Pavlov's dogs.

Your brain has long associated the nasty stuff in smoke with getting off. It takes all the toxic junk as a clue, without it it's not happy. You can 'get off' on smoke that's THC free in fact. You can dry out the depleted herb from 'Butane runs', roll it up and give it to a blazer buddy and he'll get off. I've done it, it's real.

Your brain needs to break that link, first, before you can enjoy Solo or any other vape. It has to learn 'you don't really have to stick your face in the campfire to get off'. You need to stop blazing completely if you want that to happen. It might take a day or two or a couple weeks. A while back we discussed this at length on one of the thread, I'd say the average is a bit over a week? I took close to two weeks IIRC. Now, smoking is just as vile and nasty as when you first tried it, remember how your body revolted? It learned to stifle that reflex 'to get off'.

Then you can reap full benefits. No more bloodshot eyes since you're not choking on nasty stuff, A 'cleaner/clearer high' since again you're not also being made dizzy from toxic fumes with the good stuff. And your weed bill will drop a LOT. Like to 1/3 or even 1/4 of what it was. Two things going on here, without the other nonsense going on it takes less and secondly you're not burning up that lovely THC in some ill advised fire......

So forget fire altogether. Zero blazing, a single backslide can reset the clock or worse. Enjoy your Solo a stem at a time, exploring the experience and effects. It will happen. It's happened (eventually) for all of us here, thousands of good folks just like you, stick with it and you'll be on board soon.

Don't look to change your technique, there is no 'secret solution' there. What you're doing should be 'plenty good enough'.......we need to re calibrate the Experimenter first.

Best wishes.

OF

 

[wwl]

First off, howdy, welcome to the Forums and all the fun. Great folks with experience to share you know.

And great choice on a first vape, looks like you did your research well.

You have two 'problems', new to vaping and new to this vape. The first absolutely must be 'fixed' before the second can happen. Right now how can you be sure you're not getting the full benefit of your efforts? That is you're not getting the THC delivered on schedule and you just don't perceive it?

I'll go out on the proverbial limb from the distance and state I think that's exactly what's happening. Solo is too good a machine to fail at this level. Grind, packing and so on won't keep it from doing it's job. It can effectively vape intact budlets after all? If it's going in green and coming out brown the good stuff came out in vapor. No other options.

You just didn't notice because it wasn't what you expected. A 'conditioned reflex', like Pavlov's dogs.

Your brain has long associated the nasty stuff in smoke with getting off. It takes all the toxic junk as a clue, without it it's not happy. You can 'get off' on smoke that's THC free in fact. You can dry out the depleted herb from 'Butane runs', roll it up and give it to a blazer buddy and he'll get off. I've done it, it's real.

Your brain needs to break that link, first, before you can enjoy Solo or any other vape. It has to learn 'you don't really have to stick your face in the campfire to get off'. You need to stop blazing completely if you want that to happen. It might take a day or two or a couple weeks. A while back we discussed this at length on one of the thread, I'd say the average is a bit over a week? I took close to two weeks IIRC. Now, smoking is just as vile and nasty as when you first tried it, remember how your body revolted? It learned to stifle that reflex 'to get off'.

Then you can reap full benefits. No more bloodshot eyes since you're not choking on nasty stuff, A 'cleaner/clearer high' since again you're not also being made dizzy from toxic fumes with the good stuff. And your weed bill will drop a LOT. Like to 1/3 or even 1/4 of what it was. Two things going on here, without the other nonsense going on it takes less and secondly you're not burning up that lovely THC in some ill advised fire......

So forget fire altogether. Zero blazing, a single backslide can reset the clock or worse. Enjoy your Solo a stem at a time, exploring the experience and effects. It will happen. It's happened (eventually) for all of us here, thousands of good folks just like you, stick with it and you'll be on board soon.

Don't look to change your technique, there is no 'secret solution' there. What you're doing should be 'plenty good enough'.......we need to re calibrate the Experimenter first.

Best wishes.

OF

ok will do, thanks for the input, I'll give it a couple weeks, I just was not sure what vapor production should look like and starting temp should I ramp up temp during the session I don't seem to be getting a decent cloud, going through the thread it seems a lightly packed stem, hit inverted for the first couple draws and slowly is a good starting point.

 

[elykpeace]

Great information @OF

 

[OF]

ok will do, thanks for the input, I'll give it a couple weeks, I just was not sure what vapor production should look like and starting temp should I ramp up temp during the session I don't seem to be getting a decent cloud, going through the thread it seems a lightly packed stem, hit inverted for the first couple draws and slowly is a good starting point.

You're welcome. Stick with it.

Again, don't get hung up on copying some details from other guy's posts? They've 'made the change' and are working on a different plane than you are. Almost any technique will give useful results. Instead, go by color. Green in, Brown out, the THC was extracted whether you noticed or not. Stick to medium temperatures, watch the color change, and expect true enlightenment.....eventually.

Great information @OF

Thanks. Very important I think. Unfortunately it's to be expected that 'barefoot Pilgrims' will wonder in with such genuine concerns. How is the fellow supposed to know he isn't in a position to know how well his vape is working (after all pipes, bongs and papers don't share this confusion)......unless his now found friend clue him in?

Hey, good folks around this joint sure helped me along early on. And man, has that made a difference!

And by switching from blazing to vaping you not only save lots of money, enjoy the experience more, smell a lot better to others but you get to live longer to enjoy it all the more. Pretty neat if you asked me......even if you didn't.

Thanks again, teamwork you know......

OF

 

[Little Bill]

ok will do, thanks for the input, I'll give it a couple weeks, I just was not sure what vapor production should look like and starting temp should I ramp up temp during the session I don't seem to be getting a decent cloud, going through the thread it seems a lightly packed stem, hit inverted for the first couple draws and slowly is a good starting point.

The Solo 2 has become my favorite vaporizer. Here is my suggestion. Set aside a full hour.
Load approximately .1 to .15 gram into a stem. I take 2-4 pinches from my medium/coarse grind weed.
Use the packing tool supplied by Arizer and tamp, tamp until it is packed. Use a screen in the stem and when inserting the stem at temperature hold the solo 2 upside down. Find a comfortable seat.

Fire up the Solo 2 and set for 165c. When it reaches temperature take draws when you feel like it. Don't worry about vapor yet. Concentrate on taste and continue to draw until the flavor falls off. Depending on how much you packed in, and your lung capacity you may have to start the Solo 2 again when it times out. Try to count the draws but don't worry if your tally is not perfect. You will probably take 15-25 draws before losing taste. Sip water or use a mint to keep your throat moistened as needed.

Now when the flavor is reduced increase temperature to 175c and take a few draws. You are likely to see some heavy vapor by now.

Kick it up to 185c and take a few more draws. More vapor. If your throat is feeling to hot it is OK to stop.

Take a few draws at 195c if you are up to it.

@wwl If you are not well medicated after this session then either you do not have a low tolerance or you do not have decent weed.

 

[OF]

@wwl If you are not well medicated after this session then either you do not have a low tolerance or you do not have decent weed.

I strongly disagree with this part. While for AN EXPERIENCED VAPER it is no doubt a true statement, that's not what's in play with our new found friend I believe. He's new to vaping and therefore has an immunity of sorts to overcome first. His issue is not technique related, it would be happening with good herb in any other vape.

Didn't you notice a similar 'hurtle to clear' in your early vaping experience? The effect is, I think, widely accepted? I believe it's 'first cousin' to the strange effect that most guys don't really get off the first time the smoke pot, it's a new experience.

Once he has that new skill, he will be able to 'fine tune' his technique simply by following techniques that bring good results......he won't need our help to 'drive' his new Solo effectively? Any more than you or I do.

OF

 

[Derrrpp]

ok will do, thanks for the input, I'll give it a couple weeks, I just was not sure what vapor production should look like and starting temp should I ramp up temp during the session I don't seem to be getting a decent cloud, going through the thread it seems a lightly packed stem, hit inverted for the first couple draws and slowly is a good starting point.

Go ahead and play with the temperature. Find the spot you prefer. If you feel the clouds aren't as big as you'd like, sure, bump that temp up. It can't hurt. And the higher temperature might help to provide more of the effect you're looking for, especially since you're coming from combustion. The Solo is a great vape that surely delivers the goods, but as @OF said, it might take a while for your body to get used to vaping and stop associating the combustion byproducts with getting high. You'll get there eventually, just keep at it.

Good luck.

 

[stickstones]

I ran a good number of bowls through this thing last night using the PV vortex stem that I love using with my Air. Air flow with that stem is super wide open and the Solo II kept up. I was really huffing on it and still getting respectable clouds, and was thinking I need to do a Mighty side-by-side when I get it back. The first hit is all taste and no vapor, but after that it starts kicking in. Digging it...

@AJS - take that screen out of Ed's glass stem and use a nugget in there! I used a nug last night in the vortex and it was devine! I'm gonna get me one of those like you have for nugget use.

@OF - with regards to separation of electronics from the air path...the intake is on the back of the unit and the wires you were following look like they run to the front of the unit. How was the seal at the wires by the PCB? I would imagine even if it weren't completely sealed that there would be very little air coming in from the screen area when we are inhaling. Your thoughts?

 

[exime]

The Solo2 water adapter is on the mail wagon for delivery today! (we don't actually call them mail wagons)

As if this thing didn't get me high enough already...

 

[OF]

@OF - with regards to separation of electronics from the air path...the intake is on the back of the unit and the wires you were following look like they run to the front of the unit. How was the seal at the wires by the PCB? I would imagine even if it weren't completely sealed that there would be very little air coming in from the screen area when we are inhaling. Your thoughts?

There is no attempt at a seal, no tape, foam or anything. More over there are other areas that can and do 'leak' (like the two holes the rods come through and gaps between the chassis and tube wall all around.

The fact that the path past the electronics is not near the normal intake makes it worse, right? This is not a 'path of least resistance' game, but rather 'it comes from everywhere possible'? That's the way currents work, be they electrical, in water, in air masses or vapes. To stop the flow you need to seal the leak, not make more leaks elsewhere. The best you can do that way is lessen it, not eliminate it. Diminishing returns.

For those who fear 'electronics fumes', for whatever reason, reduction is not a cure. The demand 'no possibility'. For those of us who don't see the risk......there's no need for concerns to start with.

That's about all the thoughts I can come up with at the moment, thanks for asking.

OF

 

[stickstones]

There is no attempt at a seal, no tape, foam or anything. More over there are other areas that can and do 'leak' (like the two holes the rods come through and gaps between the chassis and tube wall all around.

The fact that the path past the electronics is not near the normal intake makes it worse, right? This is not a 'path of least resistance' game, but rather 'it comes from everywhere possible'? That's the way currents work, be they electrical, in water, in air masses or vapes. To stop the flow you need to seal the leak, not make more leaks elsewhere. The best you can do that way is lessen it, not eliminate it. Diminishing returns.

For those who fear 'electronics fumes', for whatever reason, reduction is not a cure. The demand 'no possibility'. For those of us who don't see the risk......there's no need for concerns to start with.

That's about all the thoughts I can come up with at the moment, thanks for asking.

OF

Thanks for taking the time! I'm in the camp that doesn't care as long as it's not in the 'heated' air path. But you're right about it being pretty leaky. I covered the intake hole and sucked on a stem and felt very little change in the draw resistance. I then covered the bowl and blew into the intake hole and a breeze came flying out the charge port.

 

[OF]

Thanks for taking the time! I'm in the camp that doesn't care as long as it's not in the 'heated' air path. But you're right about it being pretty leaky. I covered the intake hole and sucked on a stem and felt very little change in the draw resistance. I then covered the bowl and blew into the intake hole and a breeze came flying out the charge port.

Good tests. You can also get draw through the gap around the stem. I even tried taping that up only to find more through the buttons......

For a purist it's hopeless I think. I'm with you, the majority of the air is going to come in through the vent and around the stem and that which works it's way past the works is smaller in volume and no more toxic.

It works just fine, thank you very much. I recommend it. There will be a few who will thank you for the warning and move on, and more power to 'em. Their call, you know? Too bad, though, IMO 'cuz they're missing a good one.

"Some people are harder to please than others".

OF