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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by bluenavey00, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Same stems that fit Solo I (or Air) should work fine here, all mine do.......

    In fact I probably use the plastic topped Air stems most of all in my Solo II, followed by the short all glass one for the Air? Sometimes the aftermarket one with built in bubbler from PIU (for all models):
    https://www.puffitup.com/Arizer-Air-Solo-H2O-Filtration-Stem-p/qtqc.solo-bubb.htm

    Specifically listed as 'compatible with Solo I, Air I, Solo II and Air II'.

    OF
     
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  2. VapeReady

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    I read somewhere they didn't fit in the Solo II...

    http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo-ii.23703/page-105#post-1225599

    Edit: What's the best stem for a hassle free inhalation experience with the solo II? I see different PVHES at planetvape. I guess this mean planet vape high efficiency stem? :cool: Too bad most of them all say not compatible with solo II... :doh:
     
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  3. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Check your reference......CK is talking about CUSTOM STEMS from Ed, not stock ones???? As I said I (and I think a lot of others) have no problems with typical stems.

    PVHES is a fix for 'unacceptable restriction' on old Solo Is. By the time Air I and II and Solo II came along Arizer had enlarged the holes basically doing the same thing, IMO they don't have a value with Solo II. In fact all such schemes (notches, slots, bigger holes) allow you to more easily pull in cold air so you get higher volume, but also more diluted vapor. Watch the guys 'milk glass', they all draw very slowly, only as fast as vapor can form. Cold air robs heat in the load that would otherwise make more vapor?

    It's a compromise, like most things in life.

    Your call, but you asked advice? Standard Solo/Air stems interchange or so the maker thinks. Did you know that when Air first came out, it shipped with Solo stems? The short all glass one came later so they stopped shipping Solo stems like came with my first Air.

    OF
     
  4. VapeReady

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    Yes that's what i was talking about... I said i was looking for a wooden stem because glass breaks. AFAIK these wooden stems would be available from ED. A simple search on "wood" in this thread gave me those results...

    I know the Solo II is improved compared to the OG but most vaporizers have tweaks/fine-tune accessories to make the vaporizer perform even better...

    That's what i'm trying to find out before buying the Solo II. In the mean time i read a lot of opinions from other people putting the OG Solo above the Solo II (performance, taste wise).

    While this doesn't make sense to me i'm trying to find out more about it by reading other people's opinions on Arizer Solo OG vs Arizer Solo II.

    If the company Arizer puts out a new improved version for a higher price but the og version still beats it then the only advantage i see from buying the Arizer Solo II is better battery and digital temperature control.

    BUT, if performance and taste really matters the most then you'd better pick a Solo OG :nope:. Makes sense? Not to me... I'll see what other opinions i can find around this subject because it seems questionable...
     
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  5. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Ed is the source. Good guy. Mine from him fits, but is tight (won't go in cold). Some folks have troubles, some don't?

    If you're concerned, contact him. Like I said, he's a good guy and will custom make them (I have one for the FMs in addition to my two 'standard size' for Solo/Air), I suspect he'd be happy to make you one undersize to any degree you're willing to pay for. IIRC CK's short wood stem is a custom?

    FWIW, my favorite material is Bog Oak. Mine comes from a 5700 YO tree from central Europe as I recall. It was already long dead when Stonehenge and the great Pyramids of Egypt were still so much stone. Kinda cool to think about. Cheap enough for a common man to own and enjoy.

    BTW. Ed has a thread around here somewhere.

    OF
     
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  6. vaporcloud

    vaporcloud lurking kiwi

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    I think you're close to the mark. Better battery, better air flow, smaller form factor and digi temp control. Vapor quality on par with OG. Cloud production on par. I enjoy the restricted airflow of the OG more so use my OGs at home. But if Im out and about I take the II due to the size and I can use the carry case.
     
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  7. bluenavey00

    bluenavey00 Arizer Air Aficionado

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    I use a Air II however my favourite two stems are, the 60MM plastic tipped stems when I'm travelling or on the go. I find it's the most discrete and blends in with the e-cig users. I also find it good with vape noobs, as it feels a bit more natural for them rather than sipping on a piece of round glass. Only downside is, if people don't know how to use the vape, they often suck too hard, and get warm lips.

    I also use something like this - http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBay...descgauge=1&cspheader=1&oneClk=1&secureDesc=0

    Doesn't have to be black, in fact I prefer clear so I can see how gunked up the inside is. However being 115MM it stays super cool. I normally use this at home, or round a friends house.
     
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  8. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Well put, IMO. I too find I don't 'take advantage of' the reduced restriction, either in Solo II or later production Solo Is. I sip, drawing no faster than vapor can be produced. A decision no doubt researched early on in the Solo design. That is they're sure to have tried different port sizes long ago?

    Perhaps useful to some, I too don't use it. OTOH I do use the 'true PA' feature on older Solo Is. Definitely protects the battery and removes the need for routine recharging. Sadly that went away when we demanded 'use while charging'. Like reduced airflow restrictions, demand from potential customers is the Sales way of trumping Engineering plays.

    Fun stuff, but well put VC.

    I'm with you there. The plastic tipped Air stems are definitely a good option in Solo. For travel, I preload them and cap both ends to contain herb and smell:
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    The tube makes a gasket to seal the top (it's inside a half inch vinyl tube cap). A similar cap, cut down to make it easier to force on and pry off, caps the bottom. Using high temperature caps (OK with 400F plus for several minutes) means you can yank the stem out, cap both ends (hot) and have it in your pocket in no time flat.

    I also like the long OG Solo stems, sometimes straight, sometimes bent.

    Fun stuff, lots of flexibility so guys can use them 'their way'.

    Regards to all.

    OF
     
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  9. AJS

    AJS Calm Consistency

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    Hey Arizer Fam!

    Got a new Solo 2 video for everyone. In depth temp stepping through water. Unedited full session. Hope you guys enjoy!

    Click to play YouTube Video
     
  10. Park Ranger

    Park Ranger Member

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    Great video. What kind of glass and adapter are you using?
     
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  11. AJS

    AJS Calm Consistency

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    Hey thanks a lot!

    D020d glass from dhgate / sunshinestore seller. Solo 2 wpa from Arizer (I got through separate retailer tho) 18mm gong with the flat SS screen.
     
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  12. I'm Ron Burgundy?

    I'm Ron Burgundy? I love vape

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    Nice vid dude!
    WHere did you get the gong?
    I noticed it has no slits/notches like the one I got at puffitup.
    I'm wondering if those make a difference or not. I was reading that the slits/notches let more cold air in which may produce wispier vapor.

    I have no complaints so far, it produces some milky vapor in the bubbler.
     
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  13. AJS

    AJS Calm Consistency

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    Forgot where I ordered my Solo 2 (gong came with it), it's just the standard Arizer gong. Restricted airflow but super super milky rips. If I pulled it out a tiny tiny bit it would have more airflow but I prefer the thicker vapor.

    Edit: got from @agracan.com awesome service.
     
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  14. I'm Ron Burgundy?

    I'm Ron Burgundy? I love vape

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    Thanks!
    I may just order one and try for myself to see if there’s a difference.

    I’m getting high right now, cheers.
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
  15. VapeReady

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    Nice dude.

    I'm really getting convinced now on getting the Solo II instead of the Mighty it seems to really match my expectations on portability and temperature control. I need a vaporizer to use just a few times per month that will not bring me back a tolerance.

    Plugin vapes are nice but i have the experience that i vaporize much more resulting in vaporizing more often, building back a tolerance, and making it a daily habit.
     
  16. aniceto

    aniceto New Member

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    Hi everyone,
    first of all, many thanks for this huge community an resource of information that this forum is. In fact, the forum is so dense and deep that I might be about to ask some already answered questions, sorry in advanced. I'm willing to purchase a new vape and I'm already between the Solo II, the Air II and the ArGo. Vapor quality and perfomance is my number 1 priority, so as far as I'm aware, that would leave the battle between the Air II and the Solo II (the ArGo seems to be a few steps behind, correct me if I'm wrong). Another factor for me is that 90% of the times I'm gonna be vaping at 0-5 ºC temperatures. The Solo II feels like it has a bigger heater and therefore would perform better at lower temperatures, but that's just a guess, I'd appreciate any experienced suggestion here. Some other issues:
    my intuition makes me believe that conduction will do better than convection in cold environments, am I wrong?
    have you found any case/protective tube/whatever to carry the Solo II stems 100% SAFELY? the slimmer the better.
    Does the Solo II perform better in cold environments than the Air II?
    in terms of vapor production/quality/etc, Air II === Solo II?
    Does perfomance decrease at lower battery charge on these two vapes?
    Best third-party batteries for the Air/ArGo (to avoid as much as possible the mentioned decrease in performance)?
    Does the plastic base on the Solo II get chipped with use like the original Solo did?
    I've been out of this vaping thing for quite a while so I'm open to any other vape if you feel it could meet my needs, mainly: vapor production and great performance in cold environments. The IQ is kind of a temptation but I hear too many issues from its users....
    many thanks in advanced!!
     
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  17. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Quite a list, you must have been thinking it up for some time? I take a pass at at least part of it.....

    I think your temperature observation is accurate. Convection is much less efficient to start with, and while conduction can add insulation to counter the cold outside, convection (drawing in all that cold air) is going to have to work all the harder. Starting at 0C instead of 20 means a 20% plus hit in battery life. Lucky for you Solo isn't really convection...... Air II should do about the same in the cold as Solo II I'd think, it too will take a hit in battery life but should make vapor.

    No, this is temperature regulated, no decrease in performance as it discharges (it just heats a small percentage more of the time at slightly lower power). Not to worry there.

    Don't substitute 3rd party batteries. Not only does it void the warranty but the factory choice (NCR18650B from Panasonic) is the absolutely best choice for maximum run time (capacity) while still having the abililty to produce enough power on demand to heat from cold. There is nothing better, no matter what numbers you're quoted by 'aftermarket' sources which are really only rewrapping other cells. There are only four makers of quality 18650s in the world, Panasonic (with Sanyo), Sony, Samsung and LG. Period. Everything else is at least a little questionable, and for sure a scam if they claim performance that real makers can't. Honest, Arizer picked the best possible unit.......which should come as no surprise I guess.

    There is not plastic base on Solo II, it's metal and doesn't crack......

    You should consider what your use will be. If you always vape at home Solo seems the best option, if you do so in public, ArGo is more compact, and looks more like an E-cig?

    All 3 product more of less the same vapor quality/quantity.

    Regards,

    OF
     
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  18. aniceto

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    Thanks a lot my man, that's helped quite a bit. After what you said I'm leaning towards the Air II + long Solo stem for cooler vapor ( I still believe the argo is one step behind, hopefully someone else will deny it because is my favourite one for some reasons)

    I'm pretending to use that dome mesh screen that reduces the bowl capacity, sticking the herbs closer to the heater therefore maximizing conduction and minimizing convection. Problem is I once owned an OG Air and I experienced that under the same conditions (same bowl, same herb, same grind, same vaping temperature, mesh screen or no mesh screen, etc) I would get different results in my AVB at 20ºC room temperature than at 0ºC outside temperature. My outside results looked way too green and wasted compared with my indoor AVB.

    Do you own an IQ? comparison in terms of efficiency/vapor quality/high quality? (I would use the spacer on the IQ to improve efficiency). I believe the IQ would yield the same results indoors and outdoors, I might be wrong though.

    thanks dude!
     
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  19. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Yer welcome.

    I would not get hung up on conduction/convection, but from an Engineering POV the cup is the heater, it goes up the walls to the top of the load. The temperature drop across the thick metal cup is trivial. In a minute or two the glass of the stem reaches the same sort of temperatures ('heat soak') so a screen doesn't really change things. Less hot wall, but less material to heat with it?

    Convection, such as it is, is unchanged. Since there is now half the mass to heat with the same heated air what little convective heating is going on actually increases..... But there's not vapor made by convection anyway, that heated air is way to cold to do that job. A small fraction (that which contacts the walls of the four vents in the bottom is heated to a fraction of the cup temperature. It needs to be several hundred degrees above 400F before it enters if we want it to give up useful heat and still be above 400?

    OTOH, sucking a lot of cold air (what really come in those vents.....) robs heat from the load that would otherwise make vapor. Try kicking it up a step or two and slowing down your draw speed. The temperature control system should keep the cup at the specified temperature, you only need to compensate for extra losses?

    OF
     
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  20. aniceto

    aniceto New Member

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    sorry man, I'm from Spain and I got kind of lost xD. Long story short, you're saying: go with Arizer, let it preheat a bit longer when outside, kick the temperature up a bit while outside and slow down draw speed, is that correct :D? the IQ won't necessarily perform better just because it's pure conduction

    the only problem I find is that I'm a high temp guy from first draw.. hopefully the other factors will make up for that.

    and finally, I firstly purchased the OG Solo and loved it. Moved to the OG Air a year later and I could sense vapor production wasn't exactly the same.. pretty similar, yet not exactly the same. The Solo would milk my glass harder. I'm really paranoid with vapor production and I'm ok giving up other features just because of vapor quality.

    Has anyone experienced this decrease in perfomance between the Solo II - Air II - ArGo?

    many thanks in advanced
     
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  21. ataxian

    ataxian PALE BLUE DOT

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    CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!

    THE SOLO has more power do to the 2x battery force.

    1 is less than 2 (MATH SPEAK)
     
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  22. aniceto

    aniceto New Member

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    That's pretty clarifying. So that goes for overcoming incoming cold air, right? It's easier for the Solo to keep up the temperature.

    I believe I have a winner :), many thanks ataxian, OF
     
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  23. tonuzzi

    tonuzzi Vaped and Confused

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    Absolutely, you do have a winner! You are going to really enjoy this vape. :tup:
     
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  24. aniceto

    aniceto New Member

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    Hey mate, thanks. I tried to PM you but I can't for some reason...

    I see you own all those 4 beautiful portables and I was wondering, which one makes you go through the least material in the long run? Solo II or MV1? any other better vape in that regard in the portable area?
     
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  25. tonuzzi

    tonuzzi Vaped and Confused

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    Actually, I find that my Omnivap is the most efficient vape I own, I use it with Pipes induction heater and it a hits like a brick with such a small amount of herb. Between the Solo II and MV1 I would say I go through more herb with the Solo II. I still prefer my Mighty as my favorite portable, the Solo II is my close second.
     
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