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Discussion in 'Portable Vaporizers' started by cheeseholidays, Dec 11, 2017.

  1. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Vapor Genie. There's a 'secret decoder list' around somewhere.....the Lounge maybe?

    VG technology uses a SiC (very tough, they make machine tools from it) heat exchanger. Lots of guys call it a 'filter', but it's not...... It's 'bowl diameter (say 3/4 inch or so) and maybe 3/8 thick and made of a bunch of tiny Y shape pieces 'sintered' (fused) together. You draw the flame of a lighter through this mass which heats it up quite hot. Stored heat is added to the residual from the flame and the air leaves the 'herb side' in a smooth, uniformly hot airflow the result of 'wondering down the channels in the exchanger. The herb is below, zero conduction contribution, all the vapor is made by heat from the heated air. You need to learn how to keep the fire on as you hit, but once mastered it's capable of astounding vapor production. Very hard to combust really, since there's no conduction the heat flow in stops instantly along with the airflow that would support the combustion. You typically find a couple of tiny specks that caused the rapid change in taste.

    IMO every vape owner should have a VG. It will teach you very valuable 'vaping technology' quickly and cheaply. Some guys like the all glass, some the coil (compact), my favorite is 'the Big Bronze' one, the metal and long stem keep the vapor cooler than the others even if it's more trouble to clean.

    Porous stuff absorbs condensate ('reclaim') which evaporates slowly over time for us to smell. The center section of VapMan (won't abbreviate it VM and start this all over again.....) is wood and famous for absorbing and retaining smells unlike the metal parts below, or plastic MP above. Unglazed ceramics are in this class too. Tough nut, you can't soak it out like you might with metal or glass since the solvent simply dissolves the junk and carries it yet deeper..... Combustion taste is usually lessened by scraping and ISO wipes but usually 'goes away' only after fresh condensate from a few bowls covers it up.

    Some vapes, like some VGs for instance, have wood stems, fortunately the condensate there tends to stay 'sweet' since combustion is so rare.

    BTW, VM is also on that list. Also fairly cheap and a true joy to own. Hand made by an 'old world craftsman' in Switzerland of all places. Perhaps not a good 'first vape' as you need considerable skill and experience to get good results. There you heat with a lighter, then shut it off and 'coast' through the hit on stored heat conducted into the bowl, so you must know ahead of time how much additional heat is needed between hits. A very strong 'fan base', lots of guys collect exotic woods (the base model is made of Pear wood.....how many things have you ever owned made of Pear wood?), and laser engraved custom units.

    It's a big and complex world, lots of fun stuff to consider.

    BTW, also on my 'should consider' list with VM, VG, and Solo/Air/ArGo is the MFLB (Magic Flight Launch Box, I think the thread is 'Launch Box'). Again, cheaper than ArGo. These guys have earned long Threads filled with happy campers, and IMO should be seriously considered by serious vapists.

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  2. roncruiser

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    Thanks for articulating the detail in your reply. In my haste, I've purchased and received the ArGo already. After a few uses, I can say I'm satisfied with the ArGo purchase so far. If not the ArGo, I do have friend that's looking for an ArGo sized vaporizer. I'll check out the Magic Flight Launch Box and recommend that to him as well.
     
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  3. Zoppo

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    The Argo is for me simply the best Vaporizer in the world! Why?

    That's a long story that began in 2014 with my medical cannabis licence and luckily with the Arizer Solo.

    I'm suffering mainly from Insomnia (no sleep since 2009, sleepeefficiency 48,5%) and pain. But after I started vaping, found the right strain, dose and heatsettings I was on 78,5% sleepefficiency within 3 months. But I had to check every possible way to vape first. Small dosis, big dosis, one temperature, several temperatures in steps and at last two different temperatures in two sessions with the same material. I decided to vape with two different temperatures, cause on higher temperatures it was a little bit to sharp to inhale, but than I found this:
    Click to play YouTube Video


    As You can see, You need two different temperatures to extract the terpenes or the cannabinoids! Maybe the impact of the heat is different with every vaporizer and the strains also vary - but the boiling points of the cannabinoids and Terpenes are still the same. With every Vaporizer and strain you may need a little change in the temperature. The best way to find the lowest temperature? Taste and feeling!

    But with the Solo I was not able to vape under 356°F and it has fixed steps, so as the Mighty came on the market I bought it.

    I checked the Mighty very intensiv in the same way, how I checked the Solo, but after 6 month I was done, I never got the same effect like using the Solo. So back to the Solo and the Mighty retired.
    But why does the Mighty not work in the same way? Take a look here:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4718604/

    The Solo has an efficiency with flowers around 82,7% and the Mighty???
    Well sadly the Mighty reaches only 50% - take a look in the manual of the Mighty Medical - it's written there.
    This means, You nead 60% more Material for the Mighty to get the same amount of cannabinoids etc.
    Which means You have to spend 60% more for the medicine!
    But even, if I add the 60%, the Mighty did not work like the Solo, I think, the Solo has a little more conduction, so the material get's a little more degradet, which means a little bit more CBN in the second session?

    Than came the Solo II - it works like the old Solo, but better ... longer batterylife, etc.
    With the Solo II, first I vape the material around 347°F, after the session ends i stear the material and vape it again around 388°, this worked fine.

    It works very well for me, but than came the Argo. This little thing is a monster!

    Why? If You read the study which I posted about the efficiencytest, you can see, a lot get lost in the stem of the Solo (device parts).
    But, the Argo has a shorter and a little bit smaller stem, which means lesser surface to condensate. If You measure the stems and calculate the surface, the Argo has around 50% lesser surface - and cause of this, I think the Argo reaches 90% efficiency.
    I checked it with 10% less material and the effect was not the same, it was better.

    And You don't have to inhale very long, cause the Argo has a little bit more conduction, the material get's a little more preheated, so for me 6 - 8 seconds works fine and is enough. I inhale a lot of air after the draw to get the good stuff deep in the lungs and don't waste to much!
    By the way: I hate big clouds! Why should anybody exhale big clouds of the stuff which belongs in the body? Why should anybody exhale a lot of money? This is not smoking!

    If You use it right, You only need small amounts of material. With my Santa Cruz Shredder I need only 100 mg and it's filled, loose but properly and the material doesn't touch the metal of the oven. I tried it also with smaller amounds 50 mg, without spacers, without screens, it works. You won't need screens. There are small funnels on the market, fill it using a funnel and You will have simply no bits of material in the stem. Simply the best way to load the Argo! Got two in a doublepack from Amazon for a few bucks - normaly they are used to fill small bottles.

    This Vaporizer knocks me off, every evening, faster as the Solo!

    And the cleaning is a joke! I put the used stems in ISO in the morning, in the afternoon I cut a paperkitchentowel in half, roll it, soak it with a little bit of ISO (it shouldn't dripp), screw the roll in the oven clockwise, screw the roll out of the oven counterclockwise - clean! Than I use the same papertowell for the stems, out of the ISO, screwing the paper in from both sides - clean. If You have only one stem - You are ready in a minute! The cleaning of one stem lasts under 20 seconds.

    Again, after four years of experience, a lot of studying, etc. for me the Argo is definitely the best Vaporizer today! If You take a look at some reviews and the ratings, You have the Mighty, You have the Davinci IQ, You have the Firefly, You have the Ghost MV-1 - and the ratings? Are nearly the same. So, if the Solo is still better as the Mighty, and the Argo is better as the Solo and Solo II, how much better is the Argo compared to other vapes? If You don't need a vape with build-in flashlights, music or a razorblade, but a vape that's perfect for vaping, which fits in the pocket of You're shirt, there is only a number one!

    I hope my english isn't to bad and it will help to choose the right vape. I know Cannabis works different for every person, but I think it's not the same with vaporizers!

    There is a lot more to talk/write about, but that maybe to much!

    Oh, by the way one thing I forgot, my sleepeefficiency was measured in the sleeplabor last time? 92%
     
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  4. Hackerman

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    I just bought mine Saturday from PuffItUp.com . And, as always, their incredibly fast shipping has it arriving here today.

    EDIT: Got 'er all charged up and running a few bowls. Seems OK. I will reserve until more use.

    However, couple questions popped up.

    Is the battery a standard 18650 battery like the ones I use in my mod box (e.g. Samsung 30Q) or is it special battery just for the ArGo?

    And, is it best to charge the battery in the ArGo unit or is it better to use my NiteCore i2 charger?

    Thanks.

    So far, pretty nice unit. The belt case is awesome. My 3rd Arizer vape.
     
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  5. sickmanfraud

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    Welcome to FC @Zoppo . That was some first post!
     
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  6. OF

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    Sure is, quite informative and 'readable' to boot. Something to look forward to once he gets 'up to speed'?

    Is this a great Forum or what?

    OF
     
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  7. Rollingstoned

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    I highly disagree with your statement that the Argo is more efficient and better then the mighty and solo 2. The dual 18650 setup is extremely fast and the heater can keep up with quicker hits. My solo 2 can last up to 20 stem packs and if you put it thru water its nearly as powerful as a desktop device. Also i guarantee the mighty produces much thicker clouds then your argo. To each his own but you might be a little to happy with your unit
    Btw, my experience with argo was rather dissapointing, thin clouds, compared to solo
     
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  8. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I get it, although the OP did say '....Argo is FOR ME.....'. I think an honest statement. We are individuals as you indicate and such claims are highly subjective. A 'one man's meat is anther's poison' deal?

    For sure I'm in no position to tell another hombre he's having too much fun, even if I spell it right.....

    I'm sorry you weren't happy with ArGo, FWIW I didn't find that problem, but that brings us back to personal experience again. Also FWIW I think it more fair to compare ArGo to Air?

    In the end the best we can do is research as best we can and make the most informed decision possible......and take the risk it might not be right for you.

    Regards to all,

    OF
     
  9. Rollingstoned

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    Yes air vs argo would be right on point! Argo is a great device, i love the whole arizer line, IMO that guy must be on acid anyhow
     
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  10. Hackerman

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    Do you have to push the tube all the way in? I find it works just as well if left out part way. Just wondering if I am burning something up.
     
  11. Zoppo

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    First of all, Thanks for the ratings and the replies ... and, I don't vape acid in the Argo :-)


    Well, this seems to be a missunderstanding! I didn't refer to the efficiency of the battery, it's about the effiiency of the extraction! But is it really a difference, if a session-vape needs a few seconds more to heat up? The only difference maybe more temperaturestability, if there is a more powerfull heater. But :-) think about the airflow, if You have lesser airflow (lesser cooling) and an oven which is not so powerfull, the stability could be the same. Also it depend's how fast You inhale! If You like big clouds, maybe the Argo maybe not the best choice, I don't need big clouds.

    Maybe, there are also some more informations necessary about me and my situation?

    I'm not a recreational user, I'm a medical user!

    I'm german, and in Germany actually You can only get around 20 different medical-strains!
    As I started vaping in 2014 there where only 4 strains available, the best of the strains against my insomnia
    is/was Bedrocan (Jack Herer). Cause of that I'm using this strain for more than four years, every day!
    I don't check a lot of other strains - cause, where no other strains are, what should I test?

    Cause of this I'm using Bedrocan since more than four years, no strain-hopping, everyday the same strain, same amount, same effect: good sleep. no pain!

    Is it possible for a recreational user to test vaporizers properly if he changes the strain every few weeks?
    Is it possible to compare vaporizers with different ovensizes and different amounts of material?
    Maybe, maybe not.

    I retired from work in 2009 cause of my health-condition. So, money is always an important part for me. Cause of this I have three important needs: less insomnia, less pain and less money!

    I wrote about some facts, my personel experiences and some thoughts.

    One of this facts is my personal experience, I have the Solo, I have the Mighty, I have the Solo II, I have the Argo and??? my own testequipment! If I sleep less than 6 hours the vaporizer doesn't work! Simple? Simple!

    I sleep 6 hours plus x with the Solo, Solo II and the Argo, with the Mighty 5 hours (when I add 60% material)!

    Difference between the Solos and the Argo? 10% less material, which means 50$ spared in a month!

    May be I have different needs compared to recreational users and maybe, the Argo won't work in the same matter for other medical users. But for me - as I wrote before - there is no way to test other strains - the only way to manage my pain and insomnia, is to optimize the vaping or to find a better working vaporizer. Finding another vaporizer is now not more necessary, I found the perfect one for me!

    The only option I would like is an Argo II, where You can store different temperatures in combination with sessionlength, cause the terpenes are quicker done as the cannabinoids. But this is a luxury-problem :-)

    By the way, here is the link for the Mighty Medic manual https://www.vapormed.com/media/vap/dl/mighty-medic/mighty-medic-en.pdf Take a look at page 25-26!
     
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  12. LabPong

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    The more I use my Argo...and the longer I own it....the more impressed I am with it!

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    I use it with the mini bubbler......outstanding performance for such a small unit. In public.....(not often) most think it is some sort of ejuice box with a bigger glass mp. Still pretty stealth as you can hold it and cover up most of the glass and argo.

    I am a medical user...and this is my go to when I am in bed and need relief.

    I highly suggest getting this glass bubble stem for those that like water.
     
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  13. Vapeur Rogue

    Vapeur Rogue Est. 2013- Never Lookin' Back

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    Not to derail the thread, but what are the F2 and FM? guessing Fury 2 and Flowermate- but wanted to be sure.

    Also congrats to @Zoppo for dialing in what works for you medically. I feel your pain - no pun intended in the journey.
     
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  14. Chose

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    Hi everyone I've not posted in a long time
    I thought I'd cured my VAS two years ago with omni vap that was purchased to replace my most anticipated vape witch became my most frustrating vape
    Don't think I need to name it but it looks like a pen
    Any way the other night I stumbled across a review about the Argo and VAS hit me really hard
    Ho no it's came back stronger than ever
    Straight on VAPE FIEND ORDERD AND CONFUSED WHAT HAPPENED
    E MAIL RECIVED tThanx for your order
    It arrived today and I was truly shocked how small it is
    I'm familiar with arizer products I own the original solo and it still chugs on
    Haven't used it for a while
    But it still works after upgrading the battery to a high capacity
    So what I'm trying to say is the design has changed a lot but does it still preform
    I nead a session vape back in my life
    Always looking to speed things up isn't always the best way to go I just want to chill again and take my time and enjoy
    Battery is still charging in my nitecore for three hours and I haven't taken the vape and extras out their wrapping yet my god I've slowed down already that's just what I need
     
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  15. OF

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    Yer right. Understand FM is a family, same basic idea with different packages, features and batteries.

    Yes, a lot of folks comment on how they expected it to be bigger. But I suspect making it compact was a prime design goal? While Air is a noble effort it still ends up being very long and suffers somewhat on features. This guy cleverly puts the battery beside the stem (keeping the package short) and shrinks the stem down to again compact things (oven can now be smaller, etc) and making the load longer to keep the performance 'normal'. Some can 'take or leave' the sliding cover, but IMO it does no harm in any case.

    Perhaps the only complaint is it gets hot in extended use and you have to be careful how you grip it. Nothing deal breaking and a trade off that keeps it small again.

    Coupled with the absolute best 18650 available today being used it's clear Arizer really knows what they're doing with ArGo. Unlike those other guys who'd never made a vape before but promised impossible performance years before they delivered any products? Performance they'll never be able to deliver even if they get all the other problems sorted out. Experience on Arizer's part is comforting part, as is their history.

    Enjoy your ArGo. Not necessary advice, you clearly have that in mind?

    OF
     
  16. smokinjetson

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    I am not having good luck with ArGo extended mouth piece at 374°, what I typically like to start my sessions off at with the ArGo. I feel like I have to draw way too hard and for too long to produce any vapor with the extended mouthpiece and it's not much. Could I be just plain dumb? I produce way more vapor at 374° with the regular mouthpiece compared to the extended mouthpiece. At higher temps like 384° and higher the extended mouthpiece seems fine for vapor production as far as awkwardly long draws are concerned.

    Also, I'm wondering if any of you with ArGo extended mouthpieces have a tube for it with the silicone caps. I don't seem to see on any of the sites a carry tube for the extended ArGo mouthpiece. That tube system with the silicone caps is awesome by the way!
     
  17. Zoppo

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    Hello again!
    in one post! :-)
    I wrote about my short draws, here is written - not all - why: https://www.green-flower.com/articles/95/best-way-to-inhale-cannabis-2016-3?lgf=true

    That's the reason I did not by an on-demand convection vape (Ghost-MV1, Firefly, etc.).

    Cause if You have to inhale long, to get the material hot to extract the stuff, what will You inhale first and deepest? Hot Air :-)

    This is also one of the reasons I bought the ARGO. It's a convection wape with conduction support (like the other Arizers). Which means, the material gets lightly preheated. Cause of this, You only have to Inhale short from the Argo and fill the lungs with air on top! Convectionvapes work upside down, first the air and on top the stuff!

    Maybe the first draw is a little bit thinner, but it's much more as You get as example with the Mighty (less conductive).
    With the Mighty the first draw/s is/are thinner, than those of the Argo. As the material heats up more during time, this will change, but the first draws are allways thinner (same amount/strain of material).

    Also I have the feeling, the Argo has a little bit more conduction, cause the first draw is thicker as that of the Solo.

    I read in one post, that someone critics the heat is not so strong/aggressive like the heat of the Solo.
    In another post someone did not get the Argo work properly with the extended stems.

    Well, maybe the original stems (which are much shorter) don't cool the oven down so much as the extensions and cause of the shorter stems, which are not so much cooling down, the Argoi reaches the same heatimpact like the Solo?

    It's allways the sum of the parts, that makes a device good!
     
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  18. Chose

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    Yes I've been vaping for nine years my first vape was the mflb and I've purchased some cool vapes and some poor vapes
    It's a long journey
    But my favourite vape ever was the solo I only stopped using it because of the smell indoors was a bit strong
    And it looks to weird to take outside with the turbo stem sticking out but the Argo looks perfect for walking about it looks like one of those e cig mods where the juice is inside the box with no visible tank I think there called sqwonk boxes there very popular in the U.K. At the moment
    I live in a big city so there's always lots of people always around
     
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  19. Zoppo

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    I bought a battery that seems to be really similar https://www.amazon.de/Panasonic-18650B-Akku-NCR-Li-ion-na/dp/B00D8DL9XI

    In the Nitecore charger the chargingtime is similar also.

    If I can prevent it, I will never use the charger of the Argo.
    This, not cause it doesn't work! I'm afraid of the mini-USB-port. This ports are very fragile, and when You use it frequently it may get damaged, mainly if You are vaping while charging. This happend to me with a tablet and a mp3-player, therefore out of safetyreasons I bought the Nitecore.

    Yes, You should push it in! If You pack it right, it will never burn! You shouldn't fill it up completely, left one ore to millimeters free, so the material doesn't touch the metall.

    By the way, as I wrote before, I'm using a funnel to fill the Argo: https://www.amazon.de/Denidro-Edelstahl-Flachmann-Fläschchen-Flachmanns/dp/B0776C3VM1 It fits lightly, but don't push it in! I broke one stem cause of that fault. I bought the double pack, cause filling in the fresh material with one funnel happens at another place as vaping. For the second session with the vaped material (see earlier post), I'm using the second funnel at my "vapingplace".I remove the vaped material completely in a small cup and stear/stamp it there with the arizer tool.
     
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  20. Lag

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    Looks like i'm going to have to warranty the Argo. A piece of plastic from the main unit broke off right where the latch on the door connects. I had just finished a session and the Argo was still sitting on the water pipe and all off a sudden the door pops open and i found a little bit of plastic that had chipped off. Now I have to hold the door closed with tape until I get everything sorted with Arizer. :[
     
  21. whateverman

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    Hi all

    I bought the argo a few months ago and now I notice that the device cannot be used under 18% battery - it says 'low charge' and doesn't heat up the device.

    Is it normal? Should I contact Arizer?
     
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  22. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    Are you using the approved 18650 (the one that came with it)? If not that's probably the issue. If so the one you have could be defective? I seriously doubt it's a failure in the ArGo.

    I assume everything is fine until you try to heat, then the voltage sags under the line trying to supply the current. It might be worth cleaning the contacts you can get to (both ends of the 18650, the negative connection at the spring and the spring loaded plunger that makes contact with the door PCB. At these kinds of current levels it doesn't take much of a poor contact to foul things up (which is why stuff is Gold plated).

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  23. whateverman

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    Of course, I use the original one that came with the device, and I always charged it with the original charger.

    Will Arizer replace it? How low can you go with your battery before the argo won't heat up anymore?
     
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  24. OF

    OF Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it's a given that you're using the original 18650 cell, lots of guys aren't. You could have been using a different model or it could well be a counterfeit otherwise, either of which could be the problem.

    I'm just trying to help you out, which I will gladly stop.

    Good luck with it.

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  25. whateverman

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    Whatever

    Anyway I had contacted arizer lets see what happens
     

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