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Argo vs fw5 vs fury2

Discussion in 'Ask FC' started by Denis69, Feb 28, 2019.

  1. Denis69

    Denis69 Member

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    Hi fuckcombusters !
    Im planning to buy my next vape in preparation to 420 discounts.

    Im looking for a pocketable vape to replace my lost pax 3, I really liked the stealth factor of my pax (say what ? Its a battery man ! ), its solid construction and the way it could be manipulated without looking at it, but I hated its large bowl, the cleaning process, its magnetic charger and the smell it got off ...

    For my new vaporizer the criterias are in order of importance are :
    Swappable batteries or very good battery life
    Lookig like an ecig (nightclub bouncer wouldnt bother me)
    Stealthy, palm sized
    Flavor/effect

    This vape would be used for a night out in a club or in festival.

    So far I have selected 3 vapes :
    Argo : everything seems good, but when comparing its size to my LB, looks pretty much the same, if somebody have both ans could comment here ...
    Fw5 : looks sexy, but larger than the Argo, stealthy while in use thanks to the tray, but not stealthy if a bouncer asked what is it at the entrance
    Fury2 : absolute stealthiness but bad battery and not swappable ... maybe it could suit me if used with an external battery, can it be easily charged in your pocket ?

    Do you guys see other options ?
     
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  2. C No Ego

    C No Ego Well-Known Member

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    instead of Fury2 look at the Fierce... it is the same vape but bigger with removable batt ETC
     
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  3. Denis69

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    I will look more deeply into it, but it looks way bigger than the Argo, not very discrete and I remember reading something about many members here having to return their unit because of some smell or off gasing or something

    Anyway thx for the suggestion
     
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  4. elykpeace

    elykpeace exVASted

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    Grab another Pax 3? Have owned fw5, f2, and an AS2 and I like the pax 3 out of those.battery life is great It's very discrete and the fw5 seems to be the only convection vape you mentioned so you might like the pax3 seeing that it's conduction. Half pack mod is nice for smaller oven packs. Saw a brand new one sell for 165 a complete kit on entexchange. Just make sure it's a fine grind and tightly packed. I've cut a new screen out of a pipe screen and the airflow was improved greatly. Grab some end caps from @Ratchett (delta3dstudios) to keep smell from attracting attention I really think it's a great concert /music fest vape

    Fury 2/fierce have silicone in the airpath and although some aren't bothered by it I won't recommend to anyone I think it tastes bad.
     
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  5. Denis69

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    Yeah i was thinkin about it, there arent that many vapes being as stealth as the pax, but wanted to try something new

    Could you elaborate about the pax, the solo2 and the fw5, i thought the solo2 and fw were both largely superior to the pax in term of flavour, speed extraction

    I mean the taste on the pax was great, but only for the firs dozen hits
     
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  6. lookhigh

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    +1 for the pax.
    By far the most stealthy.
    End caps leaves it with absolutely no smell until heatup.
     
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  7. elykpeace

    elykpeace exVASted

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    Yeah the pax flavor is nice for the first dozen hits after it's STILL cloudy and It must mean there's more to enjoy even tho the terps are roasted.

    I love the efficiency mode for the pax3 it starts off low and rides up on it's own. I would think this is how the iq smart path would be like. I wished for a long time a vape that has this cruise control and I only know of a few set it and forget it vapes. Tubo is nice but bulky. Iq has the replaceable batteries ? I've never owned that one but people complain it's a pita to clean the hidey hole? Pax is pretty straight forward to clean.

    As far as the fw5 and solo2 the flavor drop off is just as quick. I broke the tubular tube and glass stem the first time I cleaned the fw5 and I almost dropped the as2 stem by knocking it over. Pax is a tank and the magnetic charger and 10 year warranty just make it a no brainier for a reliable discreet easy to use all around great vape.
     
  8. Brewervapesalot

    Brewervapesalot Well-Known Member

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    FW5
     
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  9. I'd recommend the ArGo, for many reasons. I'm always amazed at the quality of flavour mine produces, and the volume of clouds (once you've learned to not over-draw). To give some context and perspective, I'll add that I also use a Solo II, Mighty, and OmniVap – and would put the ArGo on the same quality level as those.

    I've not tried the others you mention, but I really cannot imagine how the ArGo could be improved upon. Well, I suppose I'd like a slightly longer stem.

    And right now if you purchase from Arizer, you will get a free Air thrown into the deal:

    https://arizer.com/

    I would not hesitate if I were you. I would go so far as to say that with the BOGO (buy one get one free) deal, it simply doesn't make sense to not buy an ArGo right now.
     
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  10. buckhakeesah

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    My vote goes to Argo. Haven't used FW5 or any previous iteration of it, so I can't comment on it. Same with Fury, no experience with that one yet.
     
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  11. Denis69

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    Thanks for the info, it looks like a great deal, but I would rather wait for a lower price, 260 is like way too much at the moment and I dont really feel like wanting a solo, actually i dont know much about it

    How would you compare the efficiency and taste of the argo to your omnivap ?
     
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  12. YaMon

    YaMon Vaping since 2010

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    I own both the Lil Bud and the ArGo. ArGo is much smaller than the Lil Bud and if you have the stem in another pocket a bouncer would fumble to know what the ArGo is unless he’s seen one or Googles it.

    As for smell, any conduction vapor like the Pax or Divinci IQ is going to smell more than a convection based vape like the ArGo. My complaints with the ArGo are 1) Pop-up gimmicky top is pretty useless and cheap 2) if in the same pocket as my phone, the two together can turn the vape on (phone presses and hold buttons, whereas on other vapes it takes 5 distinct clicks to turn on. A ArGo turned on and heated in your pocket for 10 minutes does smell.

    At the moment my ArGo is my discrete out and about vape. It handily beat out the Grasshopper as it runs cooler especially with the longer stems available from some reatailers like 420EDC.
     
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  13. The way I would look at it – I'm certain you could sell an unused Air for $100-125, so you're in effect getting the ArGo for $160-135 – a price which I'd be surprised to see at any 4-20 sale.

    As per efficiency – this word means different things to different people. For me, it refers to the speed and thoroughness of extraction/vaporization. I don't believe it's fair to compare the efficiency of an on-demand vaporizer (OmniVap) with a session unit (ArGo). An on-demand vaporizer is called an on-demand vaporizer for a reason: it's fast.

    I'll say that the AVB is much darker with the OmniVap, but I've run my ArGo AVB (which with some strains retains a small degree of green coloration) through my OmniVap and no further extraction occurred. So while the ArGo is comparatively slower to extract (hence it's categorization as a session vaporizer), the extraction is always thorough.

    As far as taste differences between the OmniVap and the ArGo – it's no contest; the ArGo is on another level entirely. You can get a decent flavour with the OmniVap through heating near the tip and stopping before the click – but, again, it comes down to the inherent limitations of session vs. on-demand units, and the OmniVap can't compete with the ArGo for flavour.
     
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  14. Denis69

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    The argo seems quiet nice, i'll give this bogo sell a thought
    As by efficiency I meant how high you'd get with same amount of material
    My M is crazy efficient, my pax was pretty much not, the LB somewhere between them, closer to the M

    Edit : most of you think speak of the Go as both session vape and mostly convection, seems contradictory, or is just me ?
     
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  15. That's a good question. I would not say one unit gets me higher than another. I believe each vaporizer has its own 'signature' – it's own quality of affect – i.e., the type of high the particular unit provides.

    I'm a firm believer in the "entourage" effect – i.e., that there are a symphony of affects available with cannabis – and that one approach to experiencing these affects is temperature stepping, since different elements in the flower have different boiling points.

    I think that too high of a temperature will diminish the affects of those elements which have lower boiling points (since it destroys them rather than extracts from them), so the temp-stepping functionality of the ArGo will provide a broader affect than the OmniVap, with which considerable temp-stepping is not really an option.

    In short, I feel the high of the ArGo is in some ways more expansive than that of the OmniVap, owing to the temp-stepping capability of the ArGo. The ArGo high feels richer, deeper, broader, more variegated and complex, than that of the OmniVap.
     
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  16. Denis69

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    I feel what you're saying about more complex effect through temperature ramp up, I am missing a bit that feeling with my on demand vapes

    You never had any issue with your herb fallin from the stem on the heater and gettin burned ?
    I've read the Argo is very easy to get perfecly clean, does it have the same design as the LB with a wiring on top of the heater ? No problem to get that wiring perfectly clean ?
     
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  17. I used to be very careful to tamp down the flower to prevent it from falling into the oven, since I like to keep things as clean as possible.

    But I eventually found out that if some bits of flower do fall onto the oven, they don't stain it at all, and they come out with a little tap of the unit. And those bits that sometimes fall out don't get burned at all; they do become darker than the rest of the AVB, but still far from burnt.

    One method that works well (if you're concerned about flower falling into the oven) is to take your first draw or two with the unit upside down. The flower becomes very sticky when vaporization begins, and this seems to turn the flower into one mass clump.

    Alternately, dosing capsules for the Fury 2 fit the ArGo stems perfectly. This should alleviate any concerns. This also makes it very handy when you're out and about and want to take a couple different strains with you, since you don't have to bring loose flower, or don't have to purchase a bunch of extra stems to pre-pack. And these make the cleaning process even easier.

    Out of all my vaporizers, the ArGo (and the Solo II) is the easiest vaporizer to clean; just toss the stem into isopropyl alcohol for a couple of minutes.

    Sorry – I don't know what the "LB" is.

    There is no exposed wire in the ArGo, so one doesn't have to clean any wiring.
     
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  18. Denis69

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    Thank you for your detailed answers, by wiring I meant the grid mesh (not sure about my translation)
    Good to know about the fury caps
    And by LB I meant Lil Bud by Vapwood
     
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  19. I'm still not sure about the wiring/grid mesh you're wondering about. I'll just say that the ArGo consists of two pieces: the unit and the stem ("aroma tube" as Arizer calls it). Both pieces still look brand new to me, after a lot of use and little effort at cleaning – and I tend to be meticulous about my vaporizers being clean.

    Cleaning the ArGo simply couldn't be easier.

    And sorry to say – but I've got no experience with the Lil Bud.
     
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  20. YaMon

    YaMon Vaping since 2010

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    @Denis69 there is no mesh at the bottom of the ArGo as there is in my Lil Bud. As mentioned if you keep it inverted until you've drawn some hot air through the herb this will help. If I am headed out for the evening I load it and place it in my pocket inverted, and then I carry a spare loaded stem. I've never run out a fresh battery in an evening. I have yet to give mine a thorough cleaning, but have cleaned the stems in ISO which is easy. While it's not my favorite vape, it is still a great go to portable that's really easy to use and you can hand to anyone with very little instruction.
     
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  21. bossman

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    Coaltrain has offered more praise for the Argo in this one thread than I've seen to date. The reviews seem meh and make it sound like a swing and a miss from Arizer with the plastic body, gimmicky stem cover, and lightweight hits. I'd be curious to try one to see if the draw resistance is as bad as the other Arizer portables. Maybe the Arizer portables are more for sippers?

    It's too chunky for skinny jeans but you might look at the Fierce. It's a Fury 2 big brother with usb c, swappable batteries, and a bigger bowl. The Fury 2 and Fierce are versatile with glass accessories: if you had a Fierce loaded for a club you'd use the plastic mouthpiece. When you got home you'd get an experience more like the Mighty or Solo II by just swapping for the bent stem or something more like the Tera if you opted for the wpa and cranked up the temp. The Fierce is a bit too big to really check the portable box but it does improve on the Fury 2 in some important ways.

    I've gravitated more to on demand session vapes and don't have one that's more portable than the LB (which I never take for vaping out because it likes stirring). The Splinter has amazing performance and value but a ground glass joint will never really make the cut for an out and about portable.

    The Fury 2 battery life is indeed poor. It's still my go-to portable for vaping out because it's so small, heats quickly, and rips well.
     
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  22. Summer

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    Check out the Fierce. Mfr. has vid posted on last page. 420vapezone will have an updated vid posted this week based on firmware update. This looks great to me; better than Argo & Fury 2.
     
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  23. YaMon

    YaMon Vaping since 2010

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    @bossman and @Summer I your judgment, what are your feelings about the proprietary battery? I've had a FF2 and still own my Grasshopper and swore I'd stay away from proprietary batteries.. I have also sworn of non-swappable batteries.
     
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  24. I hope I haven't overstated my fondness. I should say to the OP: please don't think I'm trying to persuade you to go for the ArGo. I'm just trying to answer your questions about it here, and noting my own experience. I like it a fair bit, but not everyone does.

    Troy (420 Vape Zone) says the ArGo is "perfect," rating it a full 5 stars:

    https://420vapezone.com/arizer-go-review/

    However, he considers the Fury 2 to be his favorite portable (and he has much more experience with vaporizers than I do):

    Click to play YouTube Video


    Is this a jazz club – artsy and intimate? Go for the ArGo.

    Is this a punk/hard-core/metal/dance club – loud and chaotic? Go for the Fury (or the Fierce).
     
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  25. YaMon

    YaMon Vaping since 2010

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    :tup:
     
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