1. What does SSTB mean? See our glossary of acronyms.

Advanced E-cig users and oil/wax, how-to "one-hitter-quitter"

Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by TrueNorthStar, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    wow i didnt know you could do that lol. you go through carts pretty quick?
     
  2. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

    Messages:
    1,232
    Location:
    FL

    No. Like I said. The omi takes a 3.7 14650 normally so the 3.7 18650 really doesn't make much of a diff.

    Problem is the Omicron carts are 25$ each. Hence my desire to start rebuilding. :)
     
    SSVUN~YAH likes this.
  3. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    yea but im just trying to get a time frame for that style cart, oils or ejuice. just like to know different rates of replacement
     
  4. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

    Messages:
    1,232
    Location:
    FL
    That cart is oil only and I'm not really sure. But they seem to last a while.
     
  5. Puffers

    Puffers Micro-Climate Mastermind

    Messages:
    1,036
    Location:
    Cali, Bay Area
    @smatchimo55
    I used to get normally 2-3 grams or so through a cart before it would bog down or one of my buddies would fuck it up :). They got a bit of learning curve and it depends on what kind of cart your running if I let my buddies go hard on my 4ohm cart at 7.4v with stacked 18350's you can almost guarantee someone's gonna get lit, forget to pulse the button and scorch the oil in the cart. 2.4 ohm on 3.7v is much more user friendly but kinda lacking in the cloud dept IMO. They're pretty good carts ime just a bit expensive, and if they're not throttled right they can be finicky with clogging, leaking, etc, particularly once you get into higher wattage setups.
     
  6. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

    Messages:
    3,671
    check out the liquidizer thread. like others have said they sell a product called "ejmix" of which is specifically designed to mix concentrates into liquid. its extremely easy to work with and works amazing.
     
    smatchimo55 likes this.
  7. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    and yea your pre heating the base liquid trick worked wonders. took me 2 minutes to make this batch after it was heated. crazy!
     
  8. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

    Messages:
    3,671
    glad to see i have contributed something of worth to this forum for once! :rockon:
     
    Dangus and deadheadbill like this.
  9. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

    Messages:
    789
    Location:
    CO
    It's alright ... the air flow sucks so I had to drill it out a bit. I'm also not a fan of the air inlet as it comes up through the bottom of the cart so it's pretty easy to get it clogged. I am going to order some of the 7th floor flavor stones and I think I can make better use of it then.

    I like my v6 so much I've got 2 more headed my way.
     
    smatchimo55 likes this.
  10. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    i wonder if there are more types of attys that have a nice tall top cap that splits like the v6?

    The trident does, but pretty much has drip tip/top come out, and furthermore, you would be sliding it in as a male piece, potentially squishing your materials. oh and the o rings are super stiff still.

    anyways, these helios are super fun for building quad coils. gonna try my horizontal mesh trick in it, see if i can get 4 goin, will report back soon.

    edit: back! yes i forgot to oxidize one hahahahaha. :dog:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    EJMix Vapor Production Video (cloud at 0:42):
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/t58fn05fv8g2awu/CAM00173.mp4
    Straight wax Vapor Production Video (cloud at 2:30):
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ubuy0aixgf63zow/CAM00175.mp4
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2014
    pigfoot, gcarp, Darb and 4 others like this.
  11. walrus

    walrus Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    173
    Nice setup smatchimo, thanks for the vids. Curious what the coils looked like after that quad dab. Was most of the concentrate used up or dripped to the deck of the atty? How many more hits were you able to get out of that load and did you have to readjust or scoop up and replace the dabs to get more hits?
     
    smatchimo55 likes this.
  12. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95

    I shoulda' taken a picture, the big dab kinda dripped off onto the center post and top cap, very small piece made it to the deck. This wax is a little iffy, has a lot of plant matter in it. i got about 2 more good hits of wax but i had to re adjust every time, as i found more under the top cap like i mentioned and then another hit to clean out the mesh and it started to get dry.

    I got 2 more same sized puffs out of the ejmix, about 30 seconds of total vapor at this heat with only 6 - 8 drops... these pieces of mesh hold about 6 drops EACH, and nothing leaks to the deck. which is pretty crazy. high doesn't last as long but if you are looking to extend your supply, vaping a few drops of diluted concentrate at a time seems to be the best way. will need to do more testing :borg:
     
  13. walrus

    walrus Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    173
    Your current setup looks easy to build and unlikely to short. Cool that it holds so much liquidized concentrate. I wonder if you could drip more or have to do less fiddling with the wax if you had wicking material that touched the deck. What gauge wire/resistance are you at with that Helios build?

    Anyway, thanks for sharing, nice to see the progress people are making with rdas. Probably gonna recoil my trident with dual coils and the xc 116 wick this weekend. I'll try to get some pics up when I do.
     
    smatchimo55 likes this.
  14. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95

    i have had a previous build with mesh touching the deck, and all it seemed to do was cook the wax that ended up there. there are pics of it somewhere in here with a dab on top. had to toss that coil and that's when i experimented with horizontal. since big dabs seem to drip off, i think we are coming back to the cup idea.

    this build really is super easy, my coils look like crap cuz i was caffeine-d out and excited with the new small version of helios just comin in. I wrap on a largest size of precision philips screw driver, 2mm to 2.5mm and then wroll my mesh after, and just kinda eye ball the size.

    Mesh is easy to roll, just get it started a nd then put it on a flat surface and make like you are creating a play dough snake, but only in one direction, the other will make the wrap looser if you roll it right, have to use the right pressure to do all that though...

    anyways use your best judgement and then twist the mesh in so the wraps do not bind on your coil, and go with the spiral, if that makes sense, it will keep the mesh from unwinding while twisting. voila!

    ss mesh helps to stabilize coils while loading into rda.

    looking forward to seeing more builds!
     
    Puffers and MileHighLife like this.
  15. nickzzzx

    nickzzzx Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    255
    Location:
    FL
    In the process of building my own, here's the rundown:
    18350 AW IMR driven Caravela clone with an igo-l rba, igo-w top cap drilled out, .8mm kanthal ribbon contact coil inside a porous ceramic wick. The wick will be shaped like a cylinder with a hole in the middle for the coil to go inside. It will be horizontally oriented. For wax and olls, porous ceramic is the best choice hands down. It imparts no flavor so you get the purest taste, and it's easily cleaned by torching. Hiveceramics is coming out with a ceramic nail that's been hyped like crazy for good reason. The Thermovape Cera and Revolution cart uses porous ceramics. Uptech is using a porous ceramic stick in the KISS carts. What we need is a shapeable porous ceramic that we can rebuild with and stuff inside an rba. Rebuildable, super cheap, superior flavor, it just takes experimentation and patience to learn everything and get it right. I'll update when I start the build in the next week or so.

    The ecig rba community is way ahead of us. They have a thread over 600 pages long about custom made porous ceramic wicks in rbas. Here's a sample of what they're doing...
    [​IMG]

    Imagine a smaller version of that for concentrates!
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014
    Darb, arrr, 2clicker and 1 other person like this.
  16. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

    Messages:
    3,671
    id like to see some kind of funnel or something that would keep oil from falling off the coil and onto the screws or deck.

    something that directs the oil onto the coil and keeps it there until gone.
     
    arrr likes this.
  17. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    seeing as how my wax wont wick horizontally or vertically more than a few mm away from direct contact on a coil im not sure something even more dense than a roll of SS is going to soak things up. wax, even when liquefied at high temps, acts much different than pg/vg mixes, and im beginning to wonder if it will ever really wick other than gravity fed like @MileHighLife 's v6 dripper.

    def looking forward to seeing results tho. i would be interested in finding some pre cut 5 or 6mm long porous ceramic tubes 2mm in width!! edit: ceramic wick
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014
    deadheadbill and nickzzzx like this.
  18. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

    Messages:
    789
    Location:
    CO
    Mine wicks vertically. The first 5 or so hits are gravity fed but once everything melts down it wicks. You can see in this picture that the bottom potion of the wick is saturated with oil while the upper, wrapped portion of the wick is dry ...

    [​IMG]

    ... plus if it didn't wick the bottom of my cart would be packed full of wax in that pic.

    To get ss mesh to wick it needs to be rolled very tightly into a dense mass. I accomplish this by rolling, unrolling, rerolling, unrolling, rerolling and repeat until I don't think I can get it any tighter.

    Edit: on a side note i got 2 spare v6 rdas, a k101 and 2 variable wattage kicks in tgh mail from fasttech earlier. Cant wait to get off to try the kicks out!
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014
    deadheadbill and Patrick Hughes like this.
  19. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    my first wick was just like this, and i was getting a very harsh hit when it got a little past the point it is pictured at. do you experience this at all? this is what made me start rolling a bit looser. being tight seemed to cook the hash because of all that retained heat. additionally you can see the tops of your wick are pretty dry, i would imagine that would burn ur throat a bit.

    I'm gonna make another coil on somethin else :3
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014
    2clicker likes this.
  20. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

    Messages:
    789
    Location:
    CO
    Yeah that picture is the point where I reload. I can still get vapor but as you said it tastes burnt and nasty.
     
    2clicker likes this.
  21. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    i should mention when i rolled mine tight, that it didnt have a central core even. it was practically solid, made worse by snipping the ends... a lot of movement on SS wicks seems to occur on exposed surface areas, during initial heating at least, so having a hollow core of some kind made a lot of difference for me.
     
    2clicker and MileHighLife like this.
  22. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

    Messages:
    3,671
    i will soon be joining this party and will post pics.

    for some reason i feel that getting the smallest OD rebuildable would be ideal. even if it means a single coil. the smaller the OD the less room the oil has to roam.

    anyway im going to get a mini single coil RDA as well as a larger multi coil RDA and do some experimenting. i just hope i dont blow through my stash really fast.

    i really wish i could grow.
     
    arrr, MileHighLife and smatchimo55 like this.
  23. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

    Messages:
    789
    Location:
    CO
    Move to CO :cool:
     
    2clicker and smatchimo55 like this.
  24. smatchimo55

    smatchimo55 Active Member

    Messages:
    95
    if you are looking at conserving i highly recommend buying an 8th at a time and mixing half of it into ejmix. this has lasted me almost a week and im still goin strong not feeling like frantically calling people yet. I could have been much more conservative too. edit: make sure you get a price break :)

    edit: check it out, same coils angled down and touching the deck... wicking pretty nicely. i take back all i said earlier :)

    loaded at the bottom:
    [​IMG]

    after 4-5 hits, no readjusting
    [​IMG]

    side profile to see angle of wicks now:

    [​IMG]

    i bet this thing would hit even better with some proper coils. these guys are a little beat up now
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014
    2clicker likes this.
  25. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

    Messages:
    3,671
    yeah im all over ejmix. i prefer the oil uncut when stealth is not an issue.

    believe me ive considered it. i would however feel guilty for moving my kids away from their grandparents. besides i feel that my state will do something within the next five years. fingers fucking crossed.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2014

Support FC, visit our trusted friends and sponsors