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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by TrueNorthStar, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

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    We can ... here are a few more pics of my current setup packed and then in action. I'm using this tank http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10004437/1449600-v6-rda-rebuildable-dripping-atomizer
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    Here's what it looks like after 4 initial hits for myself :smug: and then pulsing it a few times for the pics.
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    I'm at .8 ohms right now and anything more than short pulses is way too much. A normal hit for me with a fully charged battery is 5, 1 second pulses with 1 second cool down intervals between the pulses and I end up with enormous clouds.

    Time for pizza :mmmm:
     
  2. smatchimo55

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    Good lord. This is why I signed up here.

    How much longer from that point will the device hit? will it pretty much clean out a tank with its heat and wick set up? I only ask because I see some granules are not melted, and I'm just curious as to if there is a lot of re-adjusting going on to get all that to hit as a pack once and go no fuss no muss type of deal.
     
  3. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

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    It does a decent job of clearing the tank out but definitely doesn't get everything. If I really want to get everything I'll grab a dabber and adjust the stuff stuck to the walls after a while but it will keep hitting as is for at least 10 fat hits.

    I'm hoping the immortalizer tank will fix this with it's coil placement.
     
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  4. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    is anyone here using only SS mesh as the wick? minus the silica or whatever else?

    i like the idea of a rebuildable dabber. esp since rebuilding supplies can be found anywhere. i just dont like silica wicks.

    is there anyway to build a kanthal and SS only coil that will work?
     
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  5. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

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    Yes that's what I do...

    I roll it very tight then oxidize it by torching it red hot 3 times. After this I torch it red hot a 4th time then drop it into a shot glass of pg to quench the heat. Pull it out of the pg then light it with a lighter or the torch from far away and let the pg burn off ... once it's burned off I drop it back in the pg to quench the heat again then pull it out and light it again. I repeat the last step 4 or 5 times then my wick is good to go. Dropping it in pg and burning it off creates a layer of carbon which makes it so the ss mesh won't conduct electricity.

    Pg is propelyne glycol ... a tasteless eliquid base.
     
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  6. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    interesting... i dont have any PG, but i do have Liquidizer ejmix of which is a PG/VG blend. i suppose this would work as well.

    does the SS mesh look covered in carbon? so you know its ready or do you just know its done after 4 or 5 "burn ins"?

    suppose i finally have to buy a proper torch. and an RBA/RDA. does anyone offer a mini RBA/RDA? something like the size of a protank mini?
     
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  7. vape4health

    vape4health Well-Known Member

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    Torching dry ss will produce a layer of oxide and thats what we (I) want, no need to burn shit into it only to have it turn your juice black. If you try you'll probly ditch the quenching step.
    You guys have read pipes bulli build right. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/diy-bulli-vaporizer.6601/
     
  8. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    i have read some of it a while back, but wasnt messing with that stuff then. looks like ill need to go back and re-read it.
     
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  9. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

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    Lol juice? The layer of carbon doesn't come off unless you scrape at it. I've thought this through before doing it too. Titanium nails become more efficient at vaporizing oils as they build a layer of carbon and the flavor is very much improved ... its called seasoning a nail. I figured why not try it with ss mesh wick? Guess what ... much less metallic tasting hits from the get go. I can't say it vaporizes oils any better but I do prefer my as mesh wick the way I make it.

    Once again ... TO EACH THEIR OWN.

    I have read pipes bulli thread ... some good info in there.

    @2clicker I just do it 4 or 5 times and it looks good to me.

    Edit: here's a decent blog about seasoning ti
    http://www.highlyeducatedti.com/blog/?p=183
     
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  10. deadheadbill

    deadheadbill I can see clearly now the smoke is gone...

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  11. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    would you say that by using SS wick that it is more durable and less chance of any burning flavors? i ask because i have no experience with a SS wick. i use Kanger coils 1.5-1.8ohm in my PT2 and miniDavide, but one can burn the coil pretty easily if not paying attention. then the liquid tastes burnt until a new coil is put in. would you say that SS can withstand more abuse or even dry firing and things like that?

    i imagine ceramic wouldnt burn at all. i need to catch up in the bulli thread. saw some talk of ceramics in there.

    looks solid to me. i like the looks of that rebuildable as well, but looking for something with thumbscrews. oh and nice choice of mods! mine should be here any day now. slowtech has some nice prices, but damn the wait is the worst.
     
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  12. smatchimo55

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    That mod is sick. I feel f***ng stupid for spending the 45 on a hcig nemesis now. well done!

    The rda looks tiny! I took a look at a small single post at a headshop on my lunch break. would be great for a stealth or more portable device. Yours even has a well, and ajdustable airflow.... well done again.

    Im starting to think that some higher heat inside the chamber (more heat in smaller chamber) would be a good thing. But I would love to have the aesthetics of 22mm diameter all the way up. Anyone have input on this?

    Here bro, 14mm atty! http://www.thevaporhut.com/product/cyclone-rda/ LOL i didnt look at the price, heres a cheaper one: http://www.kidneypuncher.com/igo-s-rba/

    Question for you: How does that Ejmix work; do you like it? Can i just add it to my wax and put it in a kayfun?
     
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  13. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    thanks! i like the look of that little piece. ive always preferred the look of a slimmer atomizer. mini PT over reg PT. so im looking at all the RDAs and RBAs and the difference is only that the RBAs have a tank? how exactly does that work since the tank is below the coil? are you supposed to run long wicks that dip down into the tank with an RBA? and with RDAs you can only load small amounts more often? seems good for solids, but what about liquids? im not sure i would wanna drip that often.
     
  14. smatchimo55

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    YEa sounds like you want a little bit of both worlds. no RDA will hold that much oil (i shouldnt say that, check out picks above) let alone at 14mm. I dont know what you are looking for out of a advanced mod vape experience but I find that even with the smallest amount of concentrate on even a really bad stock coil is enough to get me blazed.

    If you need more for on the go I would feel better if it was in a tank, but as far as I've read you cannot put most oils straight up in tanks... but you said you had that EJmix stuff. With that I was under the impression we could take any wax and make it into a juice and load a bunch into any clearomizer/carto or RBA of choice.

    And yes you run wicks down into the tank and it sucks up the ejuice usually to a vertical coil. There are good custom builds for those just as well, people putting SS meshs and cables down into their tanks with sub ohm coils. Our complications come in when trying to get our THC in there :)

    This was from earlier in the thread:


    The only thing I'd tack on to this is that you would need an RDA with a pretty deep well and always make sure the thing was standing on end for fear of spillage.
     
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  15. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    i should have specified. i use solids and liquids. i mix the solids with ejmix for canna ejuice and just dab solids when at home. i am now wondering if there is one atty for both of my needs. one that i can fill with .2-.5ml of liquid and go and when i get home i can dab right off of it. just love the idea of one piece that i can rebuild myself for cheap and it will do liquids and solids. i actually would prefer an atty that can hold .5 and less. i dont like to load up 1ml of my precious juice only to have it in there for days or weeks even sometimes. would prefer to load smaller amounts and have it last a day or two.
     
  16. MileHighLife

    MileHighLife Whiskey Tango

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    Yeah I haven't noticed any nasty burnt taste like with silika wick.
     
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  17. smatchimo55

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    Cool thats what I figured. I guess I'm in the same boat. Your added issue however is the size preference. All that being said, I'm sure you could fit .5 ml in almost any RDA. On this crappy wick that came with the nimbus clone I loaded up a good .2 at least and it didnt even get into the well??? I wonder how that same atty will taste though after being put through phases of liquids and solids?

    I guess we will have to do some experimenting heh.

    Would you reccomend EJmix so I can mess around with tank attomizers in public?
     
  18. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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    absolutely! check out the liquidizer thread and read the liquidizer directions on their site. if prepared properly you should have a very potent mix that barely smells at all. ive used it while speaking with cops. they had no clue.

    the only reason i prefer small is because of my experience with my mini Davide. its about a 1.2ml capacity and way too much for me. i feel like while in the Davide tank the flavor starts to degrade when it gets low. even with a new coil something has changed. ive looked and looked for a glossomizer just like the mini Davide with less than .8ml, but cant find anything that isnt plastic. the vision nanos sound really good to me actually as do the got vapes sapphire attys. both small capacity and from what ive read they dont leak much if at all. thats the other problem with protanks and davides... lots of work to keep them from leaking. an atty with a .5ml tank would be great and i could see less issues with leaking.

    so these RDAs... they can hold up to .5ml? say fill one up, throw it in my pocket and go? what about upsidedown? is there anything to keep the liquid from coming out of the drip tip/mouthpiece?

    fasttech has quite a few reasonably priced RDAs of all sizes. i really dont like most of the designs that are etched into attys and mods from china, but there are some w/out that stuff.

    if i can get an RDA that can allow me to use it for a few hours at a time before refilling then that is great! and even better if i can dab off the same coil. i need to hollar at brother Pipes.
     
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  19. abstract XstracT

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    rick simpson oil is the sht. RUN FROM THE CURE doc shows how oil is being used o fight cancer and working! taste is nothing of good wax cause it is decarboxalated which requires a lot of heat which in turns kills a lot of terpenoids. great healing powers ive seen for my own eyes
     
  20. smatchimo55

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    Took my new set up for a day at work. I will have to mess around a lot more with coils and wicks before i offer any recommendations in mixing smokeables in attys.

    This silica stuff just grabs the juice which is great, but with the style coil i built (or maybe this is just how they are or how tightly i packed in the very short wick, or maybe little of both) i found that the juice gunks up very quickly.

    The taste definitely changed every time I hit it, getting stronger and sweeter as the liquid darkened within the wick until finally getting to the nasty burning taste. Long blast of the coils and a fresh load of wax and wetted the ends of the wick with more juice just to keep things moist gave a like new hit. howver the juice gunked up again by the end of the day.
     
  21. abstract XstracT

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    does the ej
    how does your liquid taste compaird to a dab of same concentrate. does the liquid mix taste diff in a tank than a dripper? in a pinch hav u ever dabbed the liquid?
     
  22. abstract XstracT

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    tastes nasty if you are used to fine waxes like honeycomb and shatter but will really giv you the couchlock heavy eyelids from it already being decarbed. love Rick Simpson the oil is really saving lives. another note is a lot of simpson oil leaves a lot of residue/char behind. I believe this is from the solvents being used is very polar and exstracts unwanted plant matter like tricome heads and such.
     
  23. growinsmoke

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    I have been lurking around this thread for a while, great information.

    A few friends and I looked into buying vape pens a few months ago. They bought clouds, but I just had to make it complicated and bought an ego-c twist battery and some kanger cartomizers. I cut up these carts and used them mostly to dab, but I still want to be able to vape at a concert without having to re load every couple hits.

    So I went and bought a cheap RDA and some Kanthal ribbon wire.
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    This measures about 3.1 ohms. Even with this lower end battery, I can give it 4.8 volts to dab, or run it at around 4 and vape slowly. The wax just runs into the wick, and I can still get ~5 smaller hits out of it. That's still not enough, but its a proof of concept.
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    Now that I know what kind of coil will work for me, I want to build my own rebuildable atomizer using the ceramic from the new cloud atomizer.
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    I think a vertical coil in the bottom with a stainless wick sticking out would allow you to pack around the funnel.
     
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  24. smatchimo55

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    I was curious about this little guy: The Oddy Ceramic RBA for something like what you are looking for. However since this has that tank, you would have to use this EJmix stuff and i figured wtih this type of atty, it might be great to dab on as well. Maybe there is a better solution for deck since this one is so tiny, but i thought the ceramic was a nice touch.

    edit: just as with the standard ego pens, im not sure how the airholes will work on this one specifically, but if i assume correctly, it might be easy to plug up.

    edit 2: thing looks horrible from the reviews. need a better tank atty suitable for dabbing :D Maybe just set up a fat SS Wick or mesh vertical in a kayfun? Is this doable?
     
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  25. 2clicker

    2clicker up to my ears in clams Accessory Maker

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