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Discussion in 'Concentrates' started by TrueNorthStar, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    Lately, all of the coils have spattered a bit into the glass drip tip, so working on a spatter-free "cold loader".

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    Before. Out-of-focus, but you get the idea. The top loop of the third level is separated and wound free-hand into a little stove-top cap. A shard of shatter can be wedged in the space and melted in by gently pulsing on TC at lowest setting - suspending the blob above the hot inner core.

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    After... a long, tasty hit. No spatter! :bowdown:

    Performing well beyond all expectations, but kind of an ugly coil, don't you think? How can we pretty it up? Tried just covering the top with straight wire - looked better, but still produced spatter.

    Gotta get more of this tri-core clapton wire. Nothing's easier to work with.
     
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  2. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    interesting. id like to see dif angled pics of this coil. i get whats goin on here, but would like to see more.

    i am back on the mesh kick again after receiving the new 316L mesh in 60 mesh count with .011” wire diameter. there is zero spatter from what i can tell. it performs exactly as hoped except i think mesh with even larger open area percentage (smaller mesh count same wire diameter or smaller) would be a bit better for slightly more wicking. surface area would be reduced, but not enough to notice a difference in cloudage. at least i wouldnt think, but only testing will tell! :science:

    heres a pic of my daily driver. Lavabox M paired with the Vandy Vape Mesh RDA. portable and delicious.
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    oh and i recently was working on a wire spool feed device... thing... basically it allows you to easily hold and adjust tension on a spool of wire that is feeding your claptons. as you can see there is a small bit of hardware in action here. a screw, nut, couple of washers, a conical spring, wing nut, and a bit of tubing for a comfortable grip. tightening the wing nut adjusts how strong the spring pushes down on the spool. creating tension that is necessary when claptoning wire. you hold this in one hand while firing the drill with the other. also note the beadalon wire thing on there. those things are amazing!
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  3. Vapology

    Vapology Well-Known Member

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    @2clicker I would love to see some pictures from the inside. What does your new 60s mesh look like? How long/short and bowed is it and how big/tiny are the dabs you are loading?
     
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  4. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    ill see if i can get some stuff done tonight. as stated in the Vandy Vape Mesh thread this 60 mesh count is slightly too much material to run in the reg VVM strip configuration. when i cut a piece just like the VV stock strips it ohmed at .03ohms. unfortunately that is a bit too low for most TC mods and just too low in general IMO. anything at .1ohms or above is ideal. so then i cut a thin strip, about 3/16” wide. similar in width to the triple core clapton wire that @Accept uses. and i wrapped it on a flat surface creating a flat shaped coil. hard to explain without pics. but think of this 3/16” strip of mesh being nothing more than an beautiful exotic wire that you didnt have to build. then make coils like you would with exotic wire. i made mine flat to provide a flat surface to apply the dab to.

    if i can get some time ill get pics of it before it gets soaked tonight. ill wrap another also. and ill snap a pic of the mesh that was too low. it looks great. lol
     
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  5. Vapology

    Vapology Well-Known Member

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    even harder to understand without pics ;)

    Reading your last post and I really want to see some pics now, can't figure out how this thing looks
     
  6. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    Actually, a new coil. Not so inelegant, IMO. The shard goes in the space between the top two outer coil wraps. If the coil's just warm, it's easy to stuff it in. You can see the inner coil only at the bottom of the pic. (Links to Coilporn.)

    Very handsome! :cool:

    Cool - what do you think of the Daedalus? Probably just go with that, but this wire from AVS seems easier.

    Did someone say meshception? :whoa: Is it springy like the Vandy mesh or more pliable?
     
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  7. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    lol im sorry. wasnt able to get time tonight, but pics are coming. regardless of how this looks the new lower mesh count im hoping to get soon should allow for a stock strip configuration. so coiling the mesh wont be necessary. you can just run reg strip in there. the coil ive made is only a bandaid to get around the mesh being too conductive with this specific combination of mesh count to wire diameter. once that balance of conductivity and surface area are met that is where mesh will shine. and at that point we wont be talking about coils anymore.

    something to note is that the Digiflavor Mesh Pro RDA is available now. you can get them for $30-40. i think this may be an upgrade to the VVM. i like that it can be disassembled completely for cleaning. should also have better airflow adjustability. im gonna wait for a new years sale and get one.

    random note... i think 316L wire mesh would make a nice on demand heater for a portable flower atomizer. the mesh would evenly distribute the heat. obviously a more course mesh would be ideal for this, but it can be done i would think. anyway... im medicated and thinking out loud.

    interesting thought, but may not be necessary. now if you used a less mesh count then i can see multi levels of heat being a good idea.

    your new pic has me wondering what that rip is like. i may have to order some premade exotic wire so i can give it a shot.

    im not sure if im familiar with the Daedelus. ive seen other gagets to feed wire. this works really well for me.
     
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  8. Accept

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    Been thinking about this, too. New plant looks to yield top-shelf flower - definitely planning to cure, might not want to concentrate it all. @Pipes has a DIY thread on this. Looks like it even uses an inception coil.

    Have you seen this one?

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    Maybe modify the cap with the flower in a mesh tube (kind of like a joint) that inserts into the center of the heated vertical mesh. Shouldn't have to worry about plant material falling onto the heater and cumbusting.

    Rips have been ideal since the first inception coil - just like wrapping new coils. (Wrap a new one every day.) The little cap is a minor improvement, but it's nice to have zero spatter.

    Another sample pack on the way. Will have tried everything AVS has to offer! Includes smaller gauge tri-braid and various smaller gauge clapton wire.
     
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  9. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    good shit. regarding the diy flower atty... one could possibly make a screen/flower/screen sandwich and shove it in the top cap of an RDA. then run a mesh strip below it testing how close or far away it should be and temp n all that. hmmmm...

    yeah ive seen that mesh RDA before. looks ok but maybe awkward for oil. but i like your idea of the cylindrical mesh tube in there.

    UPDATE ON NEW MESH. so i kept searching online and found a bunch of wire mesh manufacturers and vendors. and more of then offer 316L than i thought! i must have emailed 15 of them. lolz. anyway i havent checked my email yet and do expect more replies, but i just took a call from one of them and he is checking his inventory on some 30 count mesh in .011” diameter. i was hoping to try 20-40 count mesh so this is right down the middle. hoping to have it by next week and i think this stuff is gonna be a winner. if so ill be copping more if anyone is interested.
     
  10. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    new sample on its way. 30 count X .012” wire diameter. about 45% open area. cant wait to try it out. science! :science:

    until then here are some pics of how i am doig the flat coil ive been decribing. please excuse my broken and dirty ceramic tweazers and the shatter speckled OSP. also for the less than stellar pic quality, but you get the point. i do not have pic of it mounted because the deck on my VVM is dirty and ive been lazy. heh. i can say tho that this coil rips deliciousness.
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    i am hoping that when the new mesh comes in that it will allow for normal mesh configuration to be used. just makes it easier to cut a strip and mount it. i like easy :rockon:
     
  11. Accept

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    You should post that on Coilporn. Curious about the response. Can you get pretty colors?

    Why do ceramic tweezers get so dirty? These are the same, which is even more disgusting considering they double as a dab tool. Need to try ultrasonic. (The Branson cleaners are fantastic, BTW.)
     
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  12. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    can i tell them i wove it myself?

    and yes it colors just like the 316L wire im used to. didnt get pics during the dry fire stage.
     
  13. Boden

    Boden Aspie polymath

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    Ooh, idea
     
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  14. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    oh? do share

    UPDATE: i still have not recieved the new lower mesh count mesh yet (today hopefully), but ive been using the 60 mesh count since receiving it. anyway i have come to the conclusion that this combination of mesh count to wire diameter allows for 1-2 days of use before it needs to be replaced and cleaned. so this mesh may be ideal for those who are ok with switching mesh daily. i think a mesh with more open area will allow for considerably more time between swaps due to clogging and flavor contamination.

    i fully expect one of the new samples to arrive tonight.
     
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  15. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    one of the new samples arrived last night and i got right to work. unfortunately i have come to the conclusion that this wire diameter is too thick. the problem im having is that the resistance is just too low. the 60 mesh x .011” wire dia, in a standard strip form, rang in at around .04ohms. and now the new 30 mesh x .011”, again same size strip, came in at .05ohms. i assumed that because the 30 mesh count was half of that of the 60... because there is half the material there, that it would double the resistance. i was wrong. it seems its all about wire thickness and length that determines the resistance for mesh. like a wire build. i was able to get some hits off of it though and the open area percentage is fucking awesome. you can see every bit of oil in there. and it vaped quickly and evenly. leaving only an amber color on the wire, but nothing in the pores. so this mesh, if resistance was better, would be a VERY good choice and could last up to a week before any pore clogging begins. so then i made another “coil” from the mesh like in my pics above on this page. came out to .30ohms and works very well, but i did have to work out a hot spot. this mesh count is also a bit too low. so new mesh count and wire diameter sample request emails have been sent! lol. smaller diameter wire and slightly less open area percentage.

    also... check this fuggin thing out! its an RDA that uses a wafer heater made of SST aluminum nitrade. cant tell if its porous or not, but its interesting!

    https://www.heavengifts.com/product/NCR-Nicotine-Reinforcer.html

    EDIT: Aluminum Nitride: is one of the most useful applications. AlN has found to replace beryllium oxide (BeO) in the semiconductor industry due to BeO’s toxicity. The thermal expansion coefficient of AlN is lower than BeO or alumina, and closely matches that of the silicon wafers used in electronics. Electronic and structural grades of this material exist, classified as such by the thermal conductivity, which is controlled by the purity of the AlN. Pristine material is white, high-purity is tan, and a gray color indicates contaminants
     
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  16. Accept

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    That's close - have you tried a slightly longer strip? You can always extend the height of the cap.

    Saw that - there's also a dual-wafer deck. Have you thought of anything to do with it?
     
  17. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    its close yes, but my DNA chip kept saying “off” when trying to TC it. it was .05ohms x 420F x 13watts. i know the DNA chips resistance cutoff is right at .05ohms. plus the deck and mod got really warm quickly when firing it. something wasnt right. my mods never get warm unless im ripping them back to back to back like crazy. id prefer to stay at or above .1ohms. i do not like the mod getting hot as it can damage the chip. anyway the two attempts i did with this mesh for a reg strip was far too hot on the mod. no thanks.

    anything to use it for? absolutely! errl... lol. for real though if this material is safe for our use then it seems it would be like a ceramic donut vape minus the wire leads. this material is electrically conductive if pure enough. or so it seems...? ive also read where its an electrical insulator. if its an insulator then how the fuck does this RDA heat the material? i dont see any metal leads/wires anywhere. the plates that come with that RDA come in at .4-.5ohms. i like that range a lot!

    you could find small strips/plates of this material and mount it in a clamp designed RDA like the Govad or the other rip tripper dripper tank thing posted earlier. just sure if the material is porous or solid.

    EDIT: just got confirmation from two MFGs on the newest mesh requests. hoping to have them by mon or tues.

    2nd EDIT: looks like another mesh RDA has hit the market and take a look at the different kind of mesh they are using.

    http://www.vapefly.net/vapefly-mesh-plus/
     
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  18. Accept

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    Struggling to wrap a photogenic coil.

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    28gX4/36g. Wrapped first level 3 with it, but it's not as buttery soft as the tri-core above. So, tempered it. (thanks, @Boden :bowdown:) Is there anything wrong with tempering with current rather than flame? This wire became easier to bend and twist. There's even a little flip on top.

    Quite the rip. :ko:

    This has become the standard coil, so it needs a name. Any ideas?

    Saw a pic that showed two metallic dots in the corners that clamp into the deck. Can't find it.

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  19. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    how long is this coil lasting before you detect any “gunking”? whether it be a taste or just the coil gradually gunking to where it doesnt wick as well. i ask because that wire youre using... the wrap wire has to be trapping some inside there. between the wrap wire and core wires.

    as far as tempering goes... how are you doing this? isnt this the same as dry firing a new SS coil past the coloring stage? or does it take more heat. i dont think you want your SS getting hotter than a dull glow. you def dont want it to glow bright red unless youre about to soak it. if it glows bright red to white then dont use it until you clean it. get those oxides off there.

    but the tempering... the purpose is to make the wire more rigid? to make building easier?
     
  20. Accept

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    Rarely use any coil for more than two days, five or six dabs, so difficult to say, Have noticed gunking at the bottom of some coils before cleaning.

    Prior to wrapping, clamp the wire as a loop over the Govad, then fire at maximum power for ~20 seconds. Haven't had a wire glow red, it just becomes copper-colored.

    @Boden said it relieves stress. The effect is different with different wires. Generally, it comes out a little stiffer, but easier to bend.
     
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  21. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    i may have to build a version of your coil and give it a go.

    i asked about the wire because i was thinking that dry firing the SS would temper it, but thats after its built so not helping.

    question... what are your, or anyones, thoughts on flavor in regards to the internal size of an RDA. isnt it a commin belief that the smaller the space the better the flavor? similar to how smaller glass pieces with less diffusion are ideal for dabbing...?

    if thats the case then why do these RDAs keep getting bigger?
     
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  22. Accept

    Accept Well-Known Member

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    You'll be glad you did. They're fun to wrap and mount and you'll certainly like the rips. Recommend a standard level 2 with some thirsty wire mounted in your Rafale.

    Don't know if firing the wire tempers it as well as torching it, but it seems to help quite a bit in most cases.
     
  23. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    just edited my post as you were replying.

    “question... what are your, or anyones, thoughts on flavor in regards to the internal size of an RDA. isnt it a common belief that the smaller the space the better the flavor? similar to how smaller glass pieces with less diffusion are ideal for dabbing...?

    if thats the case then why do these RDAs keep getting bigger?”
     
  24. Accept

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    Some vapers are more interested in clouds than flavor. And some, like yours truly, probably get as much pleasure from building as they do from vaping.

    IME, the best comparison is with Vandy's 22mm single coil Pulse and their 24mm double coil version. The single coil version seems better overall. Part of this is due to the fact that hot e-juice doesn't spit into your mouth quite as much, but aside from that, more space with two coils clearly produces no improvement on flavor or clouds.
     
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  25. 2clicker

    2clicker we out there Accessory Maker

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    so you do believe there is something to the “smaller capacity equals more flavor” claims?

    what about condensing the vapor with a small bore drip tip vs rocking the large bore stuff that is popular now. ive heard that narrowing the vapor path helps with the flavor with concentrates.

    ill have to do some experimenting. hell maybe to improve flavor i should bust out all my old 22mm stuff. remember the deringer? i loved mine. lol
     
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