OK, I had to start this thread so we can post everything in one spot. There is a LSV--vapor tamer thread here but I want to discuss the Vapor Tamer and how it works with different vapes. I have the Original, the Fatty, and the Saturn. I've used all with my DBV (SSV standard HC and tubing plus VB mini wand) and the Original restricts the airflow a bit. The Saturn offers no real noticeable restriction if any at all and I think the Fatty even less. With my new Underdog and its 1/4" stem the Original is just as good as the Saturn, it just won't hold the cold as long. The Original was awesome with the MFLB but I haven't tried the Saturn with it yet. I wish I could help with the original VT but I'm not getting one. The general consensus is it's just not enough though I have heard from people who love it. None of the VT's will stay reasonably cold for more than 20 minutes but I'd say 10 for the Original, 15 for the Fatty, and 20 for the Saturn. That's just an estimate, I will do an experiment in the near future. I'll post some vid links here. Please excuse my intoxication, I only seem to make these videos when I'm nearly incapacitated! I was razzed on the chat for the way I wiped the frost off the tamers so I wasn't gonna post the first one but I can laugh at myself as hard as anyone... Original vs Saturn Tamed Dog Original + Waterpipe I hope this thread will help answer all questions VT related as it grows. CHEERS! Edit: changed Fatty to Original because that's what it turned out to be..