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7th Floor Life Saber (LSV)

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by aesthyrian, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    I was not sucking hard at all, just inhaling naturally.
    In the first two vids, I had about what I use in my Solo.....
    That wpould be about 2.5 times what I would use in a Zap/PD type vape.
     
  2. stickstones

    stickstones Eccentric of mist Staff Member

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    also, remember that Vitolo was hitting that thing on hi, I believe.
     
  3. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    If it was the second or last vid....
    I was hitting it at 1:00 P.M. on the dial...
    1st vid was at 3 PM on the dial.

    (using draw speed to get the level vapor I wanted.)
     
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  4. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    Ok, the adjustments I mentioned in a few posts back did the trick and should work for anyone thinking that there LSV is running on the cool side. The calibration on my LSV is that it is maxed out, can no longer turn the dial at 4:00 and clicks on at 7:00. My sweet spot is now between 12:00 and 1:00. 1:30 gets me to a VERY, VERY dark coffee brown, a shade or shade in a half below black. I have no doubt now that 2:00-2:30 would combust. This is all packing a 2 PD stems worth in the transfer wand and hitting it thru my mini-beaker (should be getting the WPA today or tomorrow). All hits with a long, medium strength draw.

    Again, thanks to bouldorado for posting up the fix and to wunderkind for reminding me of it. Made all the difference in the world.

    Happy camper now but I can see how this "could" be a tolerance buster without a bit of self-control. Wowza..............
     
  5. stickstones

    stickstones Eccentric of mist Staff Member

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    Thanks for clarifying for me, V!
     
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  6. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    So I just got the shorty WPA in the mail. Used it about an hour ago......whew. For some odd reason, it's a LOT smoother and less harsh using the WPA thru glass than the transfer wand thru glass. Don't know why but it is. More even of a vape too.

    REALLY having fun with my new toy.

    Seriously thinking about selling one of my PD's. The one that I've only used about 4 times. Gotta keep the old Cherry............even if it's just for the memories.
     
  7. ThirdGunman

    ThirdGunman Well-Known Member

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    lwien, I read your last post about getting rid of a PD, and I had to double check it was you :-) My first vape after joining this forum was the PD and I've read sooo many of your post, so it's crazy, but I came to the same conclusion at one point. After I got the LSV I used my PD as an oil diffuser for some time. I always liked bongs as a combuster, so being able to stir big bowls and properly cloud out my glass was huge in my book :-D The LSV is my go to vape now, I've got 3 wpa's, 2 back up heater covers, and a pack of screens and shims. I don't ever want it to be out of service, because when it comes to glass and just blowing people away with clouds and flavor the LSV is where it's at.
    HOWEVER... Recently I've come to a point where conservation is a big factor, and I have to say that I have fallen in love with my PD all over again. I'm not lucky enough to have two of Tom's vapes since I hopped on the band wagon a bit late, but I have to say, if I had a mint one I'd leave it on the shelf (unplugged) and save it like a trophy. However, when conservation is needed I'd bust the old work horse out, because it still clouds up my 14mm glass piece great, and two or three stems does the job just as well as one LSV wpa bowl, also, my supply can easily last twice as long using my PD through my 14mm bong. I'm sure other's might contest this, but this is my personal experience lately :-)

    Not trying to sway you away from selling a PD. That's a hot ticket I'd imagine, but in my LSV universe the PD is far from Plutoed.
     
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  8. PDwasmy1st

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    Right close to buying one , is the LSV Water Pipe Adapter $24.99 the same as you get when buying a lsv $10 one? (says water pipe adapter) is that just a deal for 1st time buyers?

    1. is there anything else this bad boy needs? i like the tamers but can't afford that so would set up with my bong would that be all good to go? $199
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      How much is postage to the uk?
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      How long is it going to be at $189?
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      How come its only created 78 pages since Oct 2010 (when others have created almost that before they have been released)

      Lol ThirdGunman i'd have exactly the same vaporizers as you!
     
  9. itriplots

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    I've had my lsv for about a week now. At first I was not impressed at all. It seemed like I was payed for a highly polished turd or an expensive housing on a very primitive heating system (especially compared to my Herbal Aire 2.1). Before people go off on me, this is my first ceramic/soldering iron vape that I have owned, and it just kind of shocked me how inconsistent hits are off this thing are. Too many factors play a part in how this hits, like time since ive hit it last, how its resting in my lap and draw speed. If this were a cheaper (~$100) vape id be ok with it like my MFLB, but considering what this costs the lack of temperature control is a joke. The design of the shell is great though, I cant stop making light saber sound effects when I pick it up, its a great shape for using the transfer wand, but its cumbersome to use with a water pipe.

    Other bad things I noticed:
    -Heater cover moves around a lot, like if you give the vape a shake the heater cover shakes and hits the metal housing!
    -According to this thread my ceramic element is not pulled out far enough (i have to turn it up to 3 oclock to get vapor out) basically it was put together very poorly
    -I ordered the package (blackfriday one) from 7th floor and they forgot the fatty adapter, also the ashtray they sent me is heinous and you can only see the worked part if you turn it upside down. Emailed them, still waiting to hear back about all these issues
    -Doesnt conserve like other vapes i have (herbal aire, MFLB, woodeez) but i didnt expect it too

    What saves this from being sold immediately? the water pipe compatibility! the spherical joint is awesome, if i turn it to about 4-5 o'clock I can get some nice bong rips without the restricted air flow Im used to for bong rips with the herbal aire and the WDZ (aka without having to milk it forever!)

    I really want a combination of this GonG capatibility and air flow with HerbalAire's sophisticated temperature control circuit board and build quality.
     
  10. stickstones

    stickstones Eccentric of mist Staff Member

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    itriplots...sounds like a defective unit or one that needs adjusting. I share none of your frustrations.

    pdwasmy1st...I thought the same thing about the inactivity in this thread. It has really taken off as of late, though.

    ThirdGunman...you could go with a compromise and get something like the HI or Pod when they are available. Both those units milk my bubbler just as well as the LSV. The airflow is only slightly more restrictive and the taste only slightly dulled.
     
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  11. Steele Concept

    Steele Concept Transformer Tubes Manufacturer

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    I wondered the same thing before I ordered my unit. I was thinking damn this really looks like a nice durable solution, why isn't there more talk about it? I believe it's because other direct draw vapes like the VXC in particular boasted an all glass air path. People here love that and latched onto the idea. The LSV is now $189.99 which makes it a much more economical solution.

    If the LSV was $189.99 all along way more people on this board would have one IMHO.
     
  12. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    While there is a learning curve with this vape, I find that it is a lot less steep of a learning curve than with some others. I had a hard time, and still do, getting my MFLB dialed in, but the LSV was a snap. Just gotta find the right temp setting and draw speed, which for me, was really easy.
    Huh? Lack of temperature control? It has a temperature control.

    It is a little, but no more cumbersome than using my PD with a water pipe.

    These are both VERY easy fixes as per my previous posts.

    Should you have to fix anything on a brand new unit? Nope, you shouldn't, and in that aspect, I think 7th Floor needs to up their quality control game, however, Chris is VERY responsive if you have any issues with your LSV. He responded to me within 24 hours with detailed info with the questions I had.
     
  13. itriplots

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    Sorry, Im in a bitchy mood, Ive been grading final exams for the past 2 days straight...I should have been more specific.
    I would argue that there is no temperature control on this vaporizer, Its simply a knob that controls how much current flows through the ceramic insulator. To my knowledge there is no temperature sensor or any circuitry to maintain consistent temperatures at the same power knob setting. Naturally, the current flowing through the resistor is related to the temperature of the vape, but half a dozen other factors influence it too causing temperatures to vary drastically at a given knob setting. Maybe I have just been spoiled with the HerbalAire's temperature control circuit, and the heat retaining mass of the WDZ internals.

    And I find this more cumbersome than my log vape when taking bong rips, because of the thickness of the cord (it resists movement), where the cord leaves the unit and the length of the unit.

    Hopefully the heat consistency will be improved a bit once I get it fixed up, but it seems like a fundamental flaw with ceramic heater vapes.
     
  14. vorrange

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    I'd argue that this is a problem in the current models 7thfloor has, not ceramic heater vapes.

    It is easily managed by drawing slower but you already know that i assume. ;)
     
  15. stickstones

    stickstones Eccentric of mist Staff Member

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    This is pretty standard stuff. The minority of vaporizers have sophisticated temp controls like the HA. All of 7th Floor's products work this way. It's really all about the draw. I don't consider there to be more involved than setting the dial and getting your draw right. That's one reason I like using it with the bubbler instead of the transfer wand...the feedback of the whitewall! The Cloud gets better ratings from me in being able to vape the load more evenly and being able to draw at whatever speed you want.


    I agree with thiss, although the extra length on the LSV cord helps make this acceptable.
     
  16. ThirdGunman

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    I agree, the thickness of the cord might be a little more to deal with, and I'm sure it could have been made with a smaller diameter cord, but it is a benefit in my book. The heavy duty cord and the new cord restraint only increase the life of the vape (IMO). The biggest and pretty much only downfall I see is the fact that glass sometimes breaks if you drop it :-) I have accepted this, and that's why I keep a backup HC and WPA.

    I've also had loose heater cover issues before as well. It kind of comes with the glass being shimmed to the ceramic heater mount. Emailing 7th floor helped answer my questions (like lwien said), they even sent me some other shims, but sometimes just turning the cover or slightly adjusting the curvature of the shim helps. Just be careful, glass and metal expand and contract during the heating and cooling process so a little wiggle room is needed. I have actually broken a heater cover trying to get the fit fit a little too tight.

    The temperature adjustment is primitive when compared to some other units. The unit is simple, no bells and whistles, but it never claimed to be one of those units, but toasting my bowls to the exact shade of brown I want has never been an issue for me. The knob can always be removed and placed in a different position, mine is set where 12 gets wispy clouds and 3 or 4 o'clock is about where I end up when the bowl is spent, but that is just personal preference. If you stir the bowl and inhale in a consistent manner then you should be able to get evenly toasted bowls once you know the minimum and maximum knob settings. If that doesn't happen, then I agree you could have a lemon, but if the ceramic glows and everything is in place than there should be really hot air flowing over the bowl :-s Just my :2c:

    Stickstones, thanks for the recommendations. I've definitely been looking at those :-) The HI is on my wish list, but sadly the budget wont allow lately. Hopefully next year!
     
  17. Bouldorado

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    I agree as well. I feel 7th floor only took 45* waterpipes into consideration when they designed the lsv. My biggest complaint is probably how hot it gets if you leave it on for more than 15 min.
     
  18. Frederick McGuire

    Frederick McGuire Aggressively Loungey

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    Most of my pieces are 90 degrees and I don't really have any issues.
    The only piece I can think of of the top of my head that is somewhat awkward is my DG straight tube, and if I hold it with the intake facing to the right (Instead of straight ahead) it gives me enough room...
     
  19. Bouldorado

    Bouldorado Well-Known Member

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    My SYN is 90* as well and I don't have problems, but it becomes a issue when using straight tubes/shorter pieces.
     
  20. lwien

    lwien Well-Known Member

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    No problem at all with my short HVY Mini-Beaker.
     
  21. NewVape

    NewVape What a guy!

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    Arrrrgh! Just knocked my LSV off a table onto the floor. Annnnnnd broken HC. Grrrr. Thanks to some forethought I have a spare, Whew! But now I have to order another spare.
     
  22. Steele Concept

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    Ouch! I keep mine in a room with a rug and generally use it at the foot of my bed (which is padded). I feel your pain though, that sucks! I take it that the LSV was dropped on hardwood or tile floor?
     
  23. NewVape

    NewVape What a guy!

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    In the garage cement floor with a thin carpet (think man cave). I keep my LSV out there for just this reason, it can take a drop without damaging much other then the HC. Though this is the 3rd time I've dropped it out there so I am by no means disappointed.
     
  24. Vitolo

    Vitolo Vaporist

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    To this day, I keep my LSVs on the ground when I use them.
    In Bag and on ground!
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    Needless to say, it has never been dropped!
     
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  25. Steele Concept

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    Better safe than sorry Vitolo! Good call.
     
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